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Nikki Gogan - Bill Coe - Bachelor Australia - Season 4 - Fan Forum

Just Looking wrote:
robinvi wrote:Nikki fans, I am getting nervous. The Orlena camp is making some solid points. I am not sure she makes it. I will be devastated. I want to be strong and not wavier, but I am wavering.

Me too . I think we should brace ourselves for this.

I think she is still fine. I'm still expecting her to be F1 but if not then hey I'm super happy for Richie either way. #teamrichie after all.

Bachelor Australia - Season 4 - Richie Strahan - S/Caps - Sleuthing - Spoilers #2

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] thank you so much for the s/caps [You must be [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] and [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] to see this image.]

Nikki being hidden from the F3/FD in the season promo is just like Jordan (JoJo), imo, and done intentionally as speculated awhile back as to why Nikki didn't have any s/caps shown for HTD or FD/F3.

If Nikki is not F1 I will be shocked as all signs, imo... from edit, to hidden s/caps, to SM on lockdown, to media, to SM activity (her sister following Richie right after FRC filmed) all leads to Nikki being F1, imo.

It's been interesting to me this season as well because it hasn't been like past seasons where I like a contestant most (Heather, and Richie for past season) although I liked Faith most I never felt like she or Richie were a match when watching.

This season I am totally [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] and so it has been really a different experience to watch and all I focus on is who is making Richie smile and happy and just look for the moments that Richie is totally himself, and happy and melting and those moments by far I have seen with Nikki and like Richie has said repeatedly, "Nikki brings out the best in me" which I see as well.

The Bachelor Australia - Season 4 - Richie Strahan - Episode Discussion - Sleuthing - Spoilers

I think it is very common for the lead to pick out his F1 early on. Sam W and Sam F both said they did and Sam F's season was very obvious from the getgo, especially since Sasha got the FIR.

Usually obvious seasons start out obvious in the beginning, drama in the middle, doubt near the FDs and before FRC, and then doubt resolved by LCD/FRC time. So if Nikki is F1 as we think, the edit may bring about the doubt once they get near HTDs and it will be interesting to see what Nikki's doubt arc is and what they do to overcome it (Snez's was living far away, Sash's was if he would say he loved her and mean it unlike Blake, etc)?

Most seasons I have watched now have been moreso obvious seasons (Blake and Sam F's season was obvious from the getgo, Sam W's season wasn't as obvious to viewers from getgo but became obvious once Heather was friendzoned) so even with the obviousness of it all I am enjoying seeing Richie find someone he is really interested in and am watching to see a love story. I think it bodes well for Richie that he said he interviews he knew from the beginning and if that is with Nikki I think that is a great sign that it could be a lasting relationship. I hope they show more of the love story as that's what I am hoping to watch.

I like a lot of the girls still on (Faith, Olena, and Nikki) but at this point I am [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] and hope he is very happy and in love. That potentially Nikki if she is F1 is saying "I love you" in VO in the preview like Sam did her season and Snez was saying she was in love gives me hope that this could be a love story for him and I get to see it play out on screen (that was always my hope last year for him) [You must be [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] and [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] to see this image.]

The Bachelorette Australia - Richie Strahan - #2 Sleuthing Spoilers

Just to put aside all speculation... this recent IG post and video of Tully by Ruby Rose lets it be known that she is not dating Richie and never was.

rubyrose 5 hr
Guys... This babe... It's time she had good loving. She's right I haven't spent enough time finding her a date. @tee_smyth

Video of Tully asking for date https://instagram.com/p/98NjBysZXF/?taken-by=rubyrose

Tully Smyth ‏@tee_smyth 4 hr
You know your love life is pretty dismal when you need to get your famous mates to get you a date @RubyRose.

Her post of "dismal" dating life suggest that Richie was not interested and if anything I think her posts about Richie were desperation on her part and Richie didn't post anything (which spoke volumes) and wasn't interested (but probably didn't want to shoot her down publicly, nice guy that he is). If Richie was ever interested in her I doubt she would be practically begging for someone to date her.

As has always been MO, Richie wasn't interested in her. No surprise there. He said he is picky and his behaviour since filming wrapped in July (so over 4 months ago) suggests that this is true.

I don't see him "dating" anyone just for the sake of doing so. Plus, if he has been slated to be the next Bach lead (which he tweeted about him considering it) then I doubt he would be settling for anything or anyone before that time unless they absolutely are 'the one'. :Nod:

#RichieforBachelor and #TeamRichie

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The Bachelorette Australia - Richie Strahan - #2 Sleuthing Spoilers

[mention]AllAboutLove[/mention] wrote:
[mention]HodanG[/mention] wrote:I wonder if Sam even loved michael... I just dknt understand why he would make it to top 5 if she has never even expressed one bit of concern or love for him... Doesn't make sense and he seems to be posting alot relating her

From what I was told a long time ago, Michael wanted the extra screentime and Sam never wanted to give him a single date. She caught onto him during the show but there was a show to be made. Michael is posting a lot about himself (Sam just has to boost his own image). He is such a poser, imo, and like Sam, I couldn't care less about him. He's not even a nth of the man that Richie is, imo.

I think Sam has made it abundantly clear that she is {#}TeamRichie{/#} and for good reason. Richie is really the nicest guy there on that show, imo.

Sam is definitely team Richie and it is clear to me that she had feelings for Richie...they just weren't as strong as those she had for Sasha. I totally buy that Michael wanted extra screen time and is a poser...however, I do see some good qualities in Michael. I was never team Michael but I am a bit disappointed with all the Michael 'hate' in the media. It's not like he did anything to deserve it - being a poser or fame hungry is not a crime...and people forget it is a TV show. You are going to have people apply each year looking for fame. I will always be team Richie as I believe he is genuine. Michael may have had other intentions but he is not hurting anyone, is he?

The Bachelorette Australia - Sam Frost - Season 1 - General Discussion - Social Media - Media - #3 Spoilers - Sleuthing

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IMO, I think Sam has made it clear that she is Team Richie for a reason and that reason is because she thinks the world of him as a person and believes he will be the best next Bachelor. She herself is first and only recycled contestant as a lead so she is endorsing the next recycled contestant as lead.

And what is more important is that Sasha is endorsing Richie too. He has done this on his live-chat with news.au and also Channel Ten's The Project when asked who is the next Bachelor.

So while I do think that Sam cared and cares for Richie as a person, I don't believe she was in love with him. I believe everything she has done and said to be #TeamRichie is not only endorsed by Channel Ten but also endorsed by Sasha. He has been 100% on board with Sam being on Richie's team and has followed Richie on SM from the beginning.

I believe it was a done deal for Channel Ten for who they wanted and that's why the edited the show the way they did and the media has been the way it has been (pro-Richie and neg-Michael). Michael has zero hope of becoming the lead, imo. I am sure they will drag his name through the media the way they did Nick with Ben H but it was a done deal, imo, the minute they edited the show and had Richie as first intro and it being said this was a race between Richie and Sasha and media saying Richie for the win and also all media saying Richie for next Bachelor.

Sam to me is the spokesperson for Channel Ten as she is the poster person for recycled leads and so I am sure she is "speaking" for them on their behalf, especially on The Project where she herself was announced as Bette lead. I expect her to speak even more on this when she is on her own show with Rove and campaign for Richie to be next Bachelor. I think Australia would lose their minds if he isn't the next lead and it would look stupid that they had Sasha and Sam saying Richie for next Bachelor on The Project if they don't follow through. jmo

The Bachelorette Australia - Sam Frost - Season 1 - General Discussion - Social Media - Media - #3 Spoilers - Sleuthing

Ok you guys, I just had this thought, maybe it's crazy, but it's defo keeping me up thinking about, and I thought I would post here and write it down so I can try to go to bed!!

OK SO HEAR ME OUT -- because I think everyone is missing something BIG:
When Sam was on the Bachelor she was F1, but then Blake dumped her for Lousie, who was F3. When he dumped Sam it was only TWO WEEKS before the finale!!

So that was obviously good for Ten because it was lots of publicity, but bad for them because it made the show look insincere.

SO WHAT IF SAM IS DOING THE SAME THING AS BLAKE DID TO HER!!!

Like, it's so clear that she is #teamrichie, from all her interviews. She said he was "her true runner up" but he only made it to F3 because she didn't want to put him through the turmoil at the end ... but that makes no sense, because if that is the case, why even wait until F3? Why not let him go earlier? I don't buy it.

I think actually she is in love with Richie, but as we have seen before she was so hurt by Blake and being on The Bachelor, she didn't want to risk getting burned TWICE -- if she was going to pick someone at the end of the show, it would have to be 100% perfect and fool-proof.

The thing is if things went wrong with whoever she picked, she would be the only person to have "won" both the Bache and the Bette, and yet lose BOTH TIMES! How demoralising would that be?? If you can't find love in those situations, you probably will feel like you will NEVER find it.

So I think Sam second-guessed herself with Richie. Not to play us or to trick anyone, but because she didn't want to bet on something so perfect and have it go wrong! She already said that she sent him home earlier than she wanted to in her heart. I think it's just that she wanted him to be F1, not F2 like she said!!

Think about it -- she knew that Blake was actually in love with his F3, and not really in love with her. So maybe subconsciously she decided that that's were Richie should be. It's clear that they really really care for each other... like, even on SM they are kind of all over each other. I think she is maybe only now realising it, but she can't ditch Sasha publicly because it would ruin her reputation and TEN would be so mad!!

But I think that her putting Richie in F3 was her subconsciously "saving" him -- she has said that she was saving him from the heartbreak of the final episodes, but I think she also secretly feels like she is "saving him for later" -- just like Blake did with Louise! She couldn't bare to pick her true love as the "winner" of the show, because if it went wrong it would leave her too vulnerable to go on.

So instead, knowing that true love doesn't always work out with the pressures of the show, she went with Sasha, her second choice. She second-guessed herself to protect her heart! But I bet watching the show back now, she can tell. I mean, it's really obvious to all of us (sorry, Michael lovers, but it's true!). I bet she's trying to find out how to get back with him now. It makes too much sense -- it's perfect symmetry!

She makes it to F1 on the Bach, then gets dumped for F3 ... then she picks and F1 on the Bette, but eventually dumps HIM for HER F3. OMG I can't handle it!!

Just like, emotionally as well, you can tell it makes sense. Why would she say all this nice stuff about Richie?

That's why I don't think he will be the next Bachelor. She has to get him back before he goes on that show. Michael will the the next Bach. Some time next year Sam will quietly dump Sasha and return to Richie (I bet they are already secretly talking about it). Sasha will cry. Sorry, Sash.

What do you all think?? Am I crazy?? It just seems right.

The Bachelorette Australia - Richie Strahan - #2 Sleuthing Spoilers

HodanG wrote:I wonder if Sam even loved michael... I just dknt understand why he would make it to top 5 if she has never even expressed one bit of concern or love for him... Doesn't make sense and he seems to be posting alot relating her

From what I was told a long time ago, Michael wanted the extra screentime and Sam never wanted to give him a single date. She caught onto him during the show but there was a show to be made. Michael is posting a lot about himself (Sam just has to boost his own image). He is such a poser, imo, and like Sam, I couldn't care less about him. He's not even a nth of the man that Richie is, imo.

I think Sam has made it abundantly clear that she is #TeamRichie and for good reason. Richie is really the nicest guy there on that show, imo.

The Bachelorette Australia - Richie Strahan - #2 Sleuthing Spoilers

Thoughts...

1) Sam is, was, and forever will be #TeamRichie :Nod:
2) Sam is not, has never been, and will never be Team Michael

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The Bachelorette Australia - Sam Frost - Season 1 - General Discussion - Social Media - Media - #3 Spoilers - Sleuthing

joshfan wrote:
AllAboutLove wrote:Let's just say the info I have had for a long time and shared before any idea of F1 and who that would be was known was that there was a reason for no SD for Michael and is not as he tries to make himself seem and that Sam caught on to that later in filming and has made it VERY clear she is #TeamRichie.

TPTB left the "Smooth talker" and comparisons to Blake for Michael in his edit for a reason. The Project show also live tweeted during Michael's MTP that he was like another salesperson (Blake) and then said on The Project about Michael "That Other Guy still has his sport". To say that they didn't care for him is an understatement and no amount of PR-motivated image control will change Sam's view or those on the show. I fully expect and expected Michael to go into "let's prove I am a nice guy" mode once filming got around and from what I was told, that was his whole game plan.

I agree and the whole #mychaelsquad and #mysquad thing he is trying to do on instagram seems like he is trying to do exactly that. Great that he is "granting wishes" but to me seems very strategic still.

mmhmm... strategy that won't work, imo. Not to mention Michael is buying his Twitter followers. He gained over 20K followers in 3 hours today.

The Bachelorette Australia - Sam Frost - Season 1 - General Discussion - Social Media - Media - #3 Spoilers - Sleuthing

AllAboutLove wrote:Let's just say the info I have had for a long time and shared before any idea of F1 and who that would be was known was that there was a reason for no SD for Michael and is not as he tries to make himself seem and that Sam caught on to that later in filming and has made it VERY clear she is #TeamRichie.

TPTB left the "Smooth talker" and comparisons to Blake for Michael in his edit for a reason. The Project show also live tweeted during Michael's MTP that he was like another salesperson (Blake) and then said on The Project about Michael "That Other Guy still has his sport". To say that they didn't care for him is an understatement and no amount of PR-motivated image control will change Sam's view or those on the show. I fully expect and expected Michael to go into "let's prove I am a nice guy" mode once filming got around and from what I was told, that was his whole game plan.

I agree and the whole #mychaelsquad and #mysquad thing he is trying to do on instagram seems like he is trying to do exactly that. Great that he is "granting wishes" but to me seems very strategic still.

The Bachelorette Australia - Sam Frost - Season 1 - General Discussion - Social Media - Media - #3 Spoilers - Sleuthing

Let's just say the info I have had for a long time and shared before any idea of F1 and who that would be was known was that there was a reason for no SD for Michael and is not as he tries to make himself seem and that Sam caught on to that later in filming and has made it VERY clear she is #TeamRichie.

TPTB left the "Smooth talker" and comparisons to Blake for Michael in his edit for a reason. The Project show also live tweeted during Michael's MTP that he was like another salesperson (Blake) and then said on The Project about Michael "That Other Guy still has his sport". To say that they didn't care for him is an understatement and no amount of PR-motivated image control will change Sam's view or those on the show. I fully expect and expected Michael to go into "let's prove I am a nice guy" mode once filming got around and from what I was told, that was his whole game plan.