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Post by ironcat on Sun Jun 05, 2011 3:54 pm

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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:Good Post I appreciate the different perspective you bring to this board, Rich. And might I add that those making the decisions (Fleiss, Elan, Millsy, Harrison) obviously see things closer to your lens than most of ours. As ridiculous as this sounds, (totally) I love a good train wreck too...as long as no one gets injured! Unfortunately, it is always the lead that ends up with the broken heart...well at least that is what they want us to think (Ali/Frank).

No, it is only the female leads who end up with the hurt. Notice, that these kinds of things don't happen to the guys. All 25 of the women are usually clamoring for the chance at the Bachelor. Once in a while we see the lead have to work at getting who he wants - Brad and Andy - but you didn't see either one of them with a brokenheart.

ITA, and if you look back on the last four seasons of the Bachelorette, each lead got successively more beat up and humiliated, it seems, as if the producers sense it's what the audience wants and need to keep outdoing themselves. Deanna only had to deal with being rejected by Graham after she chased after him (even though the producers were kind enough to her to let it appear she dumped him; doubt that would happen now). Jillian had Wes use her, and supposedly two-time her with Laurel, although he was still relatively respectful of her throughout, and Ed left but then returned to beg forgiveness, allowing Jill to save face (and of course, his g/f situation was never really mentioned on the show). Ali had two guys embarrass her with girlfriends back home. How to top that for Ashley? How about a guy who woos her, yet denigrates and insults her behind her back, all the while laughing at her naivete? While we're at it, let's throw in a roast, where the other guys can also insult her, this time to her face. What further humiliation will they come up with to do to the Bachelorette next year? One can only shudder in anticipation.

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Post by Starshine_16 on Sat Jun 04, 2011 5:38 pm

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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:I do believe that JP, Ben, Dino and Ames all genuinely care for her. I am so ready to be done with Bentley and on with that show.

Agreed and I'd add Ryan P, Ben C and maybe even William to that. I really don't believe he meant to hurt her at all and I think he genuinely likes her. That's the ironic thing about this stupid Bentley situation. He probably really was the only one of the 25 that didn't have any interest in her at all. I think her F6 definitely wanted to be there. How sad that she is going to plagued with worry over something that is essentially a non-issue, thanks to TPTB and their wonderboy Bentley. :Frown:

Absolutely. This is the point Fleiss does not get about women IMHO. We LIKE the romance. For me at least this is the equivalent of the hockey and basketball playoffs. I don't need to see suffering. I want the happy ending and would rather have a rom.com than all this "mindf**k" as Reid called it.

All of us have life's challenges to deal with daily. For me, this show could be a sweet reprieve from all the world's woes. Bentley just pushes into my face how evil some people can be. If I want a villian, I'll go to the movies, or turn on the news.

And if Fleiss ONLY wanted to appeal to the female demographic, maybe that is what he would present...

However, he has no problem drawing women to the show, his dilemma is how does he draw MEN to watch...

I surely don't claim to represent all men, but a lot of men love watching a good trainwreck with lots of big explosions!

HA! A lot of women do, too. I certainly never watched this show for it's romance factor.

Only in the very begining did I watch the show for it's romance factor. That was before I learned how scripted this was. Even if I was 5'7,reasonably attractive with a little dose of crazy no way would I be on this show. Not after seeing what they do to the leads.

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Post by Kashathediva on Sat Jun 04, 2011 5:34 pm

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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:I do believe that JP, Ben, Dino and Ames all genuinely care for her. I am so ready to be done with Bentley and on with that show.

Agreed and I'd add Ryan P, Ben C and maybe even William to that. I really don't believe he meant to hurt her at all and I think he genuinely likes her. That's the ironic thing about this stupid Bentley situation. He probably really was the only one of the 25 that didn't have any interest in her at all. I think her F6 definitely wanted to be there. How sad that she is going to plagued with worry over something that is essentially a non-issue, thanks to TPTB and their wonderboy Bentley. :Frown:

Absolutely. This is the point Fleiss does not get about women IMHO. We LIKE the romance. For me at least this is the equivalent of the hockey and basketball playoffs. I don't need to see suffering. I want the happy ending and would rather have a rom.com than all this "mindf**k" as Reid called it.

All of us have life's challenges to deal with daily. For me, this show could be a sweet reprieve from all the world's woes. Bentley just pushes into my face how evil some people can be. If I want a villian, I'll go to the movies, or turn on the news.

And if Fleiss ONLY wanted to appeal to the female demographic, maybe that is what he would present...

However, he has no problem drawing women to the show, his dilemma is how does he draw MEN to watch...

I surely don't claim to represent all men, but a lot of men love watching a good trainwreck with lots of big explosions!

HA! A lot of women do, too. I certainly never watched this show for it's romance factor.

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Post by Guest on Sat Jun 04, 2011 10:45 am

@Bloomers wrote:
@pavalygurl wrote:Hi Richlp: Thanks for the male point of view here. I get this from the guys in my life also, but I think Fleiss stands to lose some of the female audience with this current mess. Of course, we on these boards are
probably more committed and will most likely keep watching. But, I can't help thinking he is alienating a big portion of the regular female viewers. We all know it's gonna hit the fan Mon-Tues. It will be interesting to see if the viewership drops off. But then again you may be totally correct.
I just wish Fleiss would bring in more females in decision making positions on the show. I doubt the Cassie Lamberts and other producers have as much of a say...I just don't see a female perspective, especially this season.

What Fleiss also knows is that we love to get riled up and jump on that cad with both feet and arms flailing. We are giving him what-for with everything in us! You see, in a way ole Bentley is not only paying for his own sins, but he is paying for the sins of all of his predecessors as well - guys he has never met, nor will he ever meet - every cad that any and everyone of us gals knows.
It's high time somebody pays for all that poor, outrageous behavior, and he is as good a guy as any. :tongue:

Haha, Bloomers! Ain't that the truth! Better to exorcise our frustrations on a TV 'character' than a real life cad, I guess.

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Post by Bloomers on Sat Jun 04, 2011 10:39 am

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:Hi Richlp: Thanks for the male point of view here. I get this from the guys in my life also, but I think Fleiss stands to lose some of the female audience with this current mess. Of course, we on these boards are
probably more committed and will most likely keep watching. But, I can't help thinking he is alienating a big portion of the regular female viewers. We all know it's gonna hit the fan Mon-Tues. It will be interesting to see if the viewership drops off. But then again you may be totally correct.
I just wish Fleiss would bring in more females in decision making positions on the show. I doubt the Cassie Lamberts and other producers have as much of a say...I just don't see a female perspective, especially this season.

What Fleiss also knows is that we love to get riled up and jump on that cad with both feet and arms flailing. We are giving him what-for with everything in us! You see, in a way ole Bentley is not only paying for his own sins, but he is paying for the sins of all of his predecessors as well - guys he has never met, nor will he ever meet - every cad that any and everyone of us gals knows.
It's high time somebody pays for all that poor, outrageous behavior, and he is as good a guy as any. :tongue:

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Post by pavalygurl on Sat Jun 04, 2011 10:21 am

Hi Richlp: Thanks for the male point of view here. I get this from the guys in my life also, but I think Fleiss stands to lose some of the female audience with this current mess. Of course, we on these boards are
probably more committed and will most likely keep watching. But, I can't help thinking he is alienating a big portion of the regular female viewers. We all know it's gonna hit the fan Mon-Tues. It will be interesting to see if the viewership drops off. But then again you may be totally correct.
I just wish Fleiss would bring in more females in decision making positions on the show. I doubt the Cassie Lamberts and other producers have as much of a say...I just don't see a female perspective, especially this season.

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Post by Bloomers on Sat Jun 04, 2011 9:50 am

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:Good Post I appreciate the different perspective you bring to this board, Rich. And might I add that those making the decisions (Fleiss, Elan, Millsy, Harrison) obviously see things closer to your lens than most of ours. As ridiculous as this sounds, (totally) I love a good train wreck too...as long as no one gets injured! Unfortunately, it is always the lead that ends up with the broken heart...well at least that is what they want us to think (Ali/Frank).

No, it is only the female leads who end up with the hurt. Notice, that these kinds of things don't happen to the guys. All 25 of the women are usually clamoring for the chance at the Bachelor. Once in a while we see the lead have to work at getting who he wants - Brad and Andy - but you didn't see either one of them with a brokenheart.

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Post by Beeleever on Sat Jun 04, 2011 9:36 am

Good Post I appreciate the different perspective you bring to this board, Rich. And might I add that those making the decisions (Fleiss, Elan, Millsy, Harrison) obviously see things closer to your lens than most of ours. As ridiculous as this sounds, (totally) I love a good train wreck too...as long as no one gets injured! Unfortunately, it is always the lead that ends up with the broken heart...well at least that is what they want us to think (Ali/Frank).

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Post by RichLP on Sat Jun 04, 2011 8:04 am

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etherealfire wrote:
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:I do believe that JP, Ben, Dino and Ames all genuinely care for her. I am so ready to be done with Bentley and on with that show.

Agreed and I'd add Ryan P, Ben C and maybe even William to that. I really don't believe he meant to hurt her at all and I think he genuinely likes her. That's the ironic thing about this stupid Bentley situation. He probably really was the only one of the 25 that didn't have any interest in her at all. I think her F6 definitely wanted to be there. How sad that she is going to plagued with worry over something that is essentially a non-issue, thanks to TPTB and their wonderboy Bentley. :Frown:

Absolutely. This is the point Fleiss does not get about women IMHO. We LIKE the romance. For me at least this is the equivalent of the hockey and basketball playoffs. I don't need to see suffering. I want the happy ending and would rather have a rom.com than all this "mindf**k" as Reid called it.

All of us have life's challenges to deal with daily. For me, this show could be a sweet reprieve from all the world's woes. Bentley just pushes into my face how evil some people can be. If I want a villian, I'll go to the movies, or turn on the news.

And if Fleiss ONLY wanted to appeal to the female demographic, maybe that is what he would present...

However, he has no problem drawing women to the show, his dilemma is how does he draw MEN to watch...

I surely don't claim to represent all men, but a lot of men love watching a good trainwreck with lots of big explosions!

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Post by happy2bme on Sat Jun 04, 2011 1:16 am

In the new clip of the abc site, I noticed that when Bently was saying goodbye to the other men, Jeff had his ridiculous mask off. Seems like they packed a lot into this episode.


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Post by noobsleuth on Fri Jun 03, 2011 11:02 pm

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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:Here's a quick question, in 1 interview Chris H mentioned something about Ashley not carrying on after Bentley left. Is it confirmed that she had a date with JP ? I think that instead of the pre-planned date they switched it up a bit but still met up but have not seen any SCs.
Which would make JPs date the "emotional connection" date of episode 3 which is a shooin to the F1 (As spoilt).
I can see their time together as similar to Chris and Alis time together when she was so sick... Just hang in out with no real agenda

It's either going to be a bonding, care taker like moment like CL and Ali or Jason and Deanna no OR it will be boring but romantic in the leads eyes like Brad and Em laugh out loud

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Post by Jeepers on Fri Jun 03, 2011 9:06 pm

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:Here's a quick question, in 1 interview Chris H mentioned something about Ashley not carrying on after Bentley left. Is it confirmed that she had a date with JP ? I think that instead of the pre-planned date they switched it up a bit but still met up but have not seen any SCs.
Which would make JPs date the "emotional connection" date of episode 3 which is a shooin to the F1 (As spoilt).
I can see their time together as similar to Chris and Alis time together when she was so sick... Just hang in out with no real agenda

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