F1, F2, F3, and F4 Speculation - Thread #1

I thought we could make a thread to discuss the many possibilities about who the other two Bachelors will be in the F4. Then once we know we can continue to talk about their edits etc.

When we know the F2 I will make another thread for that to be discussed.

Ben F. in the F4 per RS

Constantine in the F4 per RS

I know these are the best pictures, but they definitely dont' have the typical good looking guy look (if that makes sense) - they have unique look.

Everything on the following is PURE speculation and even some guessing based on what we know from past seasons and editing. At this point, we know a little, and we are speculating a lot.
Also, the producers are little bit by little bit changing tried and true things, so that what we count on over the seasons sometimes we can't any more.
At this point, these are ideas and theories only.
It would be fun to nail it before someone else does, but frankly we need more info to do that.

What is going to end up happening by the time I am through is that it will probably be frustrating! Why? It will be because with the producers changing things, it is going to make scenarios possible and unlikely for each of the F4 to be the F1 which is also why we need more info.

Let's go and everyone else add your thoughts and help, too. I especially need help with screencaps as I don't do well technically.


Ben - CH glows about him in the "Picks to Watch". First, being in the "Pics" has only one time that I can remember ever been an F1 trait - a long time ago. Next, the fact that CH glows about him makes me wonder if he is going to be the fan favorite instead of Mickey? If so, they usually don't go the route of letting the fan favorite win, and they did that last season with Emily. It is hard to imagine that if Ben is F1, he is going to get an edit where we are going "to just love him." ( I need a big rolling eyes smiliing - a big one...)
However, is this going to be one of those traditions to fall? Are we going to see F1 listed in the "Picks"?

Ben appears - looks like him in that screencap with Ashley - to get a 1-1 date in Hong Kong in the 5th Ep. It has been 10 seasons since the F1 has received his/her first 1-1 in the 5th episode. The 5th episode usually shows a 1-1 for the F4 or F2 person.
Is this a change?

Ben was filmed coming out of the second limo in the spot that Roberto exited, and his HT was also filmed first like Robert's and Emily's.
Why wasn't Ben's HT filmed with the others closer to the filming of the RC in California after Dino's in Georgia?
Is there some reason?
Is Ben F1?

Ben is standing in front of Micky (shoulder to shoulder) in the group picture. In several of the group pictures, that has indicated the F1/F2 position. ( I am convinced that on the M&G night Chantal was Brad's intended F1. It was later in the season that Emily became F1).
According to this configuration, is Ben F1 and Mickey F2?

Mickey - Many think that Mickey was maybe cast with the idea at least in the producers' heads that he would be the next Bachelor. He is Cosmos' Mr Ohio, and he is altogether too everything.
He comes out #1 from the limo which has never been done with the Bachelorette and only once with the Bachelor - way back in Jesse Palmer's season ( His F1 Jessie came out #1 ).
He gets the 2nd Ep 1-1 which is going to make an immediate impression. She will remember him because that was her spot as well.
We don't know when his HT is, but we suspect it is last which means he will stay in her mind.
In a convoluted way, just as F1 Emily's HT was aired last, if Mickey is F1 his HT is filmed last. All of this would be an if...

F1 Melissa was from the 2nd episode, and DeAnna's intended F1 Graham had his 1-1 in the 2nd episode; other than that, there has not been an F1 to come out of the 2nd episode. Are they changing the F1 pattern from the 3rd episode this season?

Mickey stands at Ben's shoulder in the third row. I think these two are F1/F2. The question could possibly be are they doing an about face and basing the positioning on last season's final rose?
If so, then Ben would be F2 ( as F2 Chantal) and Mickey would be F1(as F1 Emily).

Either way, I am thinking we probably have an F1/F2 Ben and Mickey or Mickey and Ben.

Constantine - He got off the limo very, very late. There were 9 guys who I couldn't find a picture and thus an exit time. Of all of the picts that I did find, Constantine's is the latest.
Emily was filmed last during Brad's season for the Wow! factor although she aired #28. I am not sure why Constantine is in that spot, but there must have been some reason for him to get it.

In early Bachelor history, the F1s sometimes came out last. However, our latest F1 Bachelors have originally been in the middle or more toward the front.

F4s often stand in the back of the group picture, and Wes and Kirk were in the last half of the roster exiting the limo.
This makes me think that at least the night of the M&G Constantine was considered the F4.

I don't know, but it is possible that he might move up to F3? She sure is showing a lot of chemistry with him!

Ryan P??? - He is said to be charming, successful at whatever he tries, wealthy, and good-looking. He also is said to have received the FIR because he makes Ashley feel good about herself.
We don't know for sure, but based on the FIR and a tweet from an envious relation it is highly possible Ryan P gets a HT.

However, Ryan has already started a bad edit with his comments from CH in the "Pics to Watch". He rubs people the wrong way. That is not going to be our F1. If he were, Chris Harrison would not have made that statement against him before we ever met him
He set him up as somewhat of a villain at the beginning.

Blake??? He could be our other member of the F4, but I don't know anything one way or the other.

Bloomers wrote:Everything on the following is PURE speculation and even some guessing based on what we know from past seasons and editing. At this point, we know a little, and we are speculating a lot.
Also, the producers are little bit by little bit changing tried and true things, so that what we count on over the seasons sometimes we can't any more.
At this point, these are ideas and theories only.
It would be fun to nail it before someone else does, but frankly we need more info to do that.

What is going to end up happening by the time I am through is that it will probably be frustrating! Why? It will be because with the producers changing things, it is going to make scenarios possible and unlikely for each of the F4 to be the F1 which is also why we need more info.

Let's go and everyone else add your thoughts and help, too. I especially need help with screencaps as I don't do well technically.

This was condensed so it was easier to read. Reguarding the bolded I can help you out in anyway possible, I seem to be a genius when it comes to screencaps on here. I have no idea why though..... :giggle:

Bloomers wrote:Everything on the following is PURE speculation and even some guessing based on what we know from past seasons and editing. At this point, we know a little, and we are speculating a lot.

In early Bachelor history, the F1s sometimes came out last. However, our latest F1 Bachelors have originally been in the middle or more toward the front.

[snipped for brevity]

Thanks, Bloomers! You always start us thinking so analytically!

In Jillian's season, both F1 Ed and F3 Reid came as part of the Surprise Five after the party had begun. Was that just a one-off?

in2deep wrote:

Bloomers wrote:Everything on the following is PURE speculation and even some guessing based on what we know from past seasons and editing. At this point, we know a little, and we are speculating a lot.

In early Bachelor history, the F1s sometimes came out last. However, our latest F1 Bachelors have originally been in the middle or more toward the front.

[snipped for brevity]

Thanks, Bloomers! You always start us thinking so analytically!

In Jillian's season, both F1 Ed and F3 Reid came as part of the Surprise Five after the party had begun. Was that just a one-off?

We all believed that the producers pre-selected the first 25 mostly young guys based on the idea that they would get Melissa - who Jason traded in for Molly - as their next Bachelorette. However, Melissa was completely dunso with Fleiss and his gang of producers for the way that the deceived her about what was going to happen at the filming of the ATFR. (I was told all of this from the mother of one of the cheerleaders while it was happening.)
Melissa refused to talk to them regarless of how much money they offered her for the role of Bacherlorette. Jason was with Molly, and consequently the producers went with Jillian who was older than most of the pool of selected guys.
We believed that is when the producers went after the 5 older guys. It was never clear how they ended up "showing up" as opposed to coming in the limo. I think one of them said they had been told that they too would ride in the limo. That part has never been clear, but - yes - it basically was a one-off situation.

jurystillout wrote:

Bloomers wrote:Everything on the following is PURE speculation and even some guessing based on what we know from past seasons and editing. At this point, we know a little, and we are speculating a lot.
Also, the producers are little bit by little bit changing tried and true things, so that what we count on over the seasons sometimes we can't any more.
At this point, these are ideas and theories only.
It would be fun to nail it before someone else does, but frankly we need more info to do that.

What is going to end up happening by the time I am through is that it will probably be frustrating! Why? It will be because with the producers changing things, it is going to make scenarios possible and unlikely for each of the F4 to be the F1 which is also why we need more info.

Let's go and everyone else add your thoughts and help, too. I especially need help with screencaps as I don't do well technically.

This was condensed so it was easier to read. Reguarding the bolded I can help you out in anyway possible, I seem to be a genius when it comes to screencaps on here. I have no idea why though.....

I agree you make excellent screencaps! :D

Thanks, Bloomers. I'm terrible at sleuthing anything and therefore, I don't even attempt it. Your post really helped me to better understand it. It does give me lots to think about when we 'meet' these guys as they step from the limo. Your hard work is really appreciated.

Thanks to JSO, San, Love_me, I2D, and everyone who finds the greatest stuff, ~ articles, pictures, screen caps. And fabulous sleuthing. You all are great.:thanks:

Finally, confirmation that Blake is home. So he is not in the F2.

He's totally adorable but don't think he made through...he's on my facebook!

Gina wrote:Thanks, Bloomers. I'm terrible at sleuthing anything and therefore, I don't even attempt it. Your post really helped me to better understand it. It does give me lots to think about when we 'meet' these guys as they step from the limo. Your hard work is really appreciated.

Thanks to JSO, San, Love_me, I2D, and everyone who finds the greatest stuff, ~ articles, pictures, screen caps. And fabulous sleuthing. You all are great.

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