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Episode 3 - 6/6 - Discussion - Spoilers

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Post by ironcat on Thu Jun 09, 2011 4:06 pm

@happy2bme wrote:Thanks, Bloomers for your incredible insight. I too feel that it is way too soon for tptb to be pushing the F1 in our face, much like they did with Chantel. Right off the bat it was Chantel on Brad's season out in front and she was the F2.

JP though is given a lot of hurdles to overcome. He loses the coin toss, he gets the date after Bently, the "wanted most" guy (as per the cover of People mag) leaves.He also has another 1-1 date in Hong Kong but coincidentally that is when Bently, the "wanted most" guy returns at the request of Ashley. JP doesn't seem to have it too easy.

Also, who knows how far they take this Bently thing. I wonder what they have in store for him down the road. He returns then leaves again. They have someone now more hated than Brad to maybe play up as the next bach. They know they would get ratings up the wazooo because people like watching this bad stuff and women are crazy enough to find this appealing in spite of what you read. Just my crazy thinking though.

On another note, does anyone know when Ashley's boyfriend died? Was it right before she went on the show with Brad? I wonder because it is what she said in one of her PI's about having enough time to fall in love again.


I am starting to think that Bentley IS the story this year, even moreseo than Ashley finding love. The way this is playing out in the media is that it looks doubtful that Ashley will have a happy ending because she is hopelessly in love with Bentley. I think she will be shown mooning over him in every episode until he returns in episode 6, and even after she gets her "closure", the story will become whether there is enough time to fall in love with somebody not named Bentley (and his name will be mentioned all the way through until the end). I think the producers believe that the surprise of Ashley actually getting engaged to somebody not named Bentley (whether it be JP or Ben or somebody else) will make better TV than actually showing us how she fell in love with SNNB.

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Post by Love_Me on Thu Jun 09, 2011 4:11 pm

I think J.P and Ben F were genuine in their feelings for Ashley. I have caught Ben F looking at Ashley and talking about her as though he has a crush on her. Too bad they are not showing more of their interactions with each other yet. J.P obviously really likes her and enjoys being around her. Maybe in the end Ashley figured it out and she is happy now with her decisions.
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Post by Guest on Thu Jun 09, 2011 4:15 pm

@Love_Me wrote:I think J.P and Ben F were genuine in their feelings for Ashley. I have caught Ben F looking at Ashley and talking about her as though he has a crush on her. Too bad they are not showing more of their interactions with each other yet. J.P obviously really likes her and enjoys being around her. Maybe in the end Ashley figured it out and she is happy now with her decisions.
I hope so too. And from the screencaps with Dino in the rain, a big 'friend' vibe is what I think, like Chris L. and Ali. Yes, they will make out (so did Chris and Ali..it was pretty hot in the water scenes, rolling on the grass, etc.), but she said they were only friends in the end. I also think Dino is a fun guy & sweet guy, a big teddy bear (like Chris L) and that's why he makes it to F3..she felt safe with him and he made her happy, but she loved her F1.

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Post by Hotmomma on Thu Jun 09, 2011 4:15 pm

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@Hotmomma wrote:Bloomers..I so agree with you..So far its only Bentley and JP show..I mean they did show the others 1:1 dates but briefly..Maybe it was only between JP and Bentley to Ash the whole season and that why they can't show us anything more? And you are right about JP getting all the press releases..And even in Ashley's blog this week I guess we will have to see if that continues...

I agree with you this edit this time around is not following any pattern for any sow to point and say ahhhh yes..

It is a strange edit so far. Is it being done on purpose to throw us off, or because events on the ground just changed, much moreso than in past seasons? It certainly seems like Ashley's original F4 (the guys she told the producers she was interested in the first night) changed dramatically over the first couple of weeks, with only JP holding her interest enough to stay in the game (besides Bentley dropping out, of course). William pretty much shot himself in the foot, and Mickey and Ben C, although they had pretty good first dates, must have fizzled out at some point, so the second round of guys took over the 3 empty F4 spots. Now the producers must have gotten some early footage or PIs with Ames, Constantine and Ben F. that they could have thrown in there in the first few episodes so at least they would be on the radar of the average viewer, but perhaps they thought it would muddy the waters too much to show so many different men at once when they really just wanted us to focus on the lightning rod that is Bentley. You have to admit he must be Fleiss' wet dream right now. (Sorry if I grossed anyone out.)

Yes I do think I remember Fleiss saying that Ashley was the best...Or his girl..or something like that..I think he does think this is the best season ever..JMO..However he did tweet some about the FRC..LIKE OMG...Having said that they do change edit after taping IF the "happy couple" changes..It just seem like why are they throwing Ashley under the bus? BUT to the non spoilers(friends/family)..Feel so sorry for her being played behind her back..And they are hoping that she'll find her man..which after JP last date with her think he is the man...
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Post by Guest on Thu Jun 09, 2011 4:16 pm

CarrieAlexander wrote:Blondie's post really comes to mind with this season and seeing what we want to see because to be honest Chantal threw me for a loop last season.

Yes, Bentley got a lot of air time and he will be coming back for more, and yes JP is spoiled to win it but is that clouding our vision of what is really happening? I'm not sure if it's just the fact that we are spoiled or what but we have to keep in mind that we have seen other on the screen. 1-1 dates with Ben C and Mickey have happened (ruling William out at this point because he totally screwed it up at the roast and I'm sure people understand why he wont make it)

Do the unspoiled rule Ben/Mickey out as possible F1?-- they both had standard, mediocre dates with Ashley, and both got kisses and roses.

What do we even know about Ben, Ames, and Dino from just simply watching the show?

Are the unspoiled going to understand how they got HTD's within the next couple episode or will they remain in the shadows even with 1-1 dates? (Ben C and Mickey both have had dates and they seem to have been ruled out by us, but what about the unspoiled?)

Is it really as simple as good vs evil this season?

From what I've seen the unspoiled audience, right now, is rooting for William and JP. So William is still on the unspoiled viewers radar. I've even heard and see a few people still rooting for Mickey at this point. I posted in another thread that seasons ago Jen Schefft was way under the radar in Andrew Firestone's season until just before HTD's so I do think for the unspoiled viewer any of these guys have plenty of time to up the ante and convince viewers that they could be F1.


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Post by Hotmomma on Thu Jun 09, 2011 4:17 pm

@Love_Me wrote:I think J.P and Ben F were genuine in their feelings for Ashley. I have caught Ben F looking at Ashley and talking about her as though he has a crush on her. Too bad they are not showing more of their interactions with each other yet. J.P obviously really likes her and enjoys being around her. Maybe in the end Ashley figured it out and she is happy now with her decisions.
I think so too heck even Ames seems to watch her a lot too..and that out take with him was nice..So there are a few GOOD MEN..
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Post by Reality Mary on Thu Jun 09, 2011 4:29 pm

First post but I have to say something. Love this place and all of you.

What if this season is not JP versus the others in the final four but JP versus Bentley? On the final day, does Ash try to figure out if she wants any of the final four including JP or does she go off show and try to make it work with Bentley? We don't know what Bentley is going to say to her...maybe he leads her on more and makes her think she has a chance with him off the show...
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Post by ironcat on Thu Jun 09, 2011 4:30 pm

@Hotmomma wrote:
@Love_Me wrote:I think J.P and Ben F were genuine in their feelings for Ashley. I have caught Ben F looking at Ashley and talking about her as though he has a crush on her. Too bad they are not showing more of their interactions with each other yet. J.P obviously really likes her and enjoys being around her. Maybe in the end Ashley figured it out and she is happy now with her decisions.
I think so too heck even Ames seems to watch her a lot too..and that out take with him was nice..So there are a few GOOD MEN..

I can also imagine that after the Bentley fiasco, Ashley would be very concerned with only choosing guys who really seem to be 100% smitten with her, with no doubts or other agendas. I think the F4 all strike me as very sincere guys and not at all the player type. Perhaps Ryan was as well, but I have a feeling that the suspicions of the other guys that he is fake in some way is what ultimately does him in.

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Post by Guest on Thu Jun 09, 2011 4:35 pm

@ironcat wrote:
@Hotmomma wrote:
@Love_Me wrote:I think J.P and Ben F were genuine in their feelings for Ashley. I have caught Ben F looking at Ashley and talking about her as though he has a crush on her. Too bad they are not showing more of their interactions with each other yet. J.P obviously really likes her and enjoys being around her. Maybe in the end Ashley figured it out and she is happy now with her decisions.
I think so too heck even Ames seems to watch her a lot too..and that out take with him was nice..So there are a few GOOD MEN..

I can also imagine that after the Bentley fiasco, Ashley would be very concerned with only choosing guys who really seem to be 100% smitten with her, with no doubts or other agendas. I think the F4 all strike me as very sincere guys and not at all the player type. Perhaps Ryan was as well, but I have a feeling that the suspicions of the other guys that he is fake in some way is what ultimately does him in.

You're probably right and because of NOT taking the advice she was given about Bentley she's going to be extra careful and sure to heed any advice given about the remaining men. Although, too bad cuz Ryan seems like a stand up guy (so far)

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Post by Love_Me on Thu Jun 09, 2011 4:40 pm

@Reality Mary wrote:First post but I have to say something. Love this place and all of you.

What if this season is not JP versus the others in the final four but JP versus Bentley? On the final day, does Ash try to figure out if she wants any of the final four including JP or does she go off show and try to make it work with Bentley? We don't know what Bentley is going to say to her...maybe he leads her on more and makes her think she has a chance with him off the show...



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Post by CarrieA on Thu Jun 09, 2011 4:41 pm

Ok so far we have:
-William screwed his chances because of the roast
-Blake and Mickey screwed their chances with the Ryan drama
-Bentley doesn't need explanation..
-Dino could very well be due to religious differences
-Ryan drama could cause his early exit

I wonder what Ames will do..be too smart for her? rotfl
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Post by northernviewer on Thu Jun 09, 2011 4:41 pm

we've been concentrating on what the edit is telling us but I think we should be tieing that in with what Ashley is telling us in her blogs. First she mentioned the 2 sided coin, which implies that she knew that JP was determined to kiss her, and then she tells us about how they ordered Chinese food and that she fell asleep on him...literally it seems. She then tells about the fortune cookie about patience, which they had already talked about. For a guy that's getting a good edit and seems to be a frontrunner by many, she still felt the need to give us more insight. I think this is more signigicant than a date edit that can be interpretted to be either positive or negative. The big picture is pointing to a positive connection with JP, not one setting the stage for rejection at the FRC ... IMO
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