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Episode 3 - 6/6 - Discussion - Spoilers

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Post by ironcat on Fri Jun 10, 2011 10:47 am

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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:Rego was already slated to leave early (not early enough for him). Frank was slated to be the potential F1 that broke her heart by leaving her at the last minute - two different storylines = lots of drama. Somehow they had something over Frank's head that kept him that long, since we know he wanted to leave way before that.

With Bent - it was never going to be about him actually being F1 - they knew he was going to leave early, I'm convinced he was hired to play that role and spew all that nastiness - Ash was never supposed to fall for him - they likely had Michelle send the text - they had Chris try and talk sense into her - it didn't work, she fell for him anyway.....she moves on, they bring him back....what a mess.

I find it difficult to believe that they didn't understand how naive, inexperienced, and unworldly Ashley really is. :no:
It would take someone like Michelle or Roslyn to handle a con man like Bentley. Ashley was simpley out of her element.

Also, I think they did Ashley a complete disservice by recruiting guys who did not know the Bachelorette ahead of time. She is cute enough and has enough going for her professionally in her own right to have attracted 25 quality guys without bringing on a bunch who were expecting the beautiful Emily or the sexy Chantal.

Yeah, in reading what Jeff had to say, only a handful of guys were into her, and I have a feeling that ultimately she figured out which ones they were (albeit with some major missteps along the way), and they are pretty much her F4. They are maybe not the most "drop dead gorgeous" of the bunch, but I have a feeling that they are all sincere, good guys, and not the typical "player" types (or just there to party) that many of the other guys seem to be at first glance. Maybe that accounts for the seeming total shift in frontrunners (with the exception of JP) from the first 3 episodes to the end.

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Post by anders on Fri Jun 10, 2011 10:44 am

I believe they knew Ashley and all her vulnerabilities and used them all to exploit her and all the drama. If they were at all interested in Ashley and her well being, they never would've allowed Bentley near the show. Remember how 2 girls got elimed during Matt's M&G because they mentioned a movie he did - they have a tight rein on everything, nothing happens without them knowing that it's going to happen.

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Post by LaureanT on Fri Jun 10, 2011 10:39 am

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:Rego was already slated to leave early (not early enough for him). Frank was slated to be the potential F1 that broke her heart by leaving her at the last minute - two different storylines = lots of drama. Somehow they had something over Frank's head that kept him that long, since we know he wanted to leave way before that.

With Bent - it was never going to be about him actually being F1 - they knew he was going to leave early, I'm convinced he was hired to play that role and spew all that nastiness - Ash was never supposed to fall for him - they likely had Michelle send the text - they had Chris try and talk sense into her - it didn't work, she fell for him anyway.....she moves on, they bring him back....what a mess.

I find it difficult to believe that they didn't understand how naive, inexperienced, and unworldly Ashley really is. :no:
It would take someone like Michelle or Roslyn to handle a con man like Bentley. Ashley was simpley out of her element.

Also, I think they did Ashley a complete disservice by recruiting guys who did not know the Bachelorette ahead of time. She is cute enough and has enough going for her professionally in her own right to have attracted 25 quality guys without bringing on a bunch who were expecting the beautiful Emily or the sexy Chantal.

I agree Bloomers on your assessment about Ashley. Ashley really had been out of the dating scene for awhile. She mentioned that she had 3 dates at most after her ex-boyfriend had died. Ashley probably had not "been around" any players. You are right that Michelle & Rozlyn would have gave Bentley a dose of his own medicine.

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Post by Bloomers on Fri Jun 10, 2011 10:34 am

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:Rego was already slated to leave early (not early enough for him). Frank was slated to be the potential F1 that broke her heart by leaving her at the last minute - two different storylines = lots of drama. Somehow they had something over Frank's head that kept him that long, since we know he wanted to leave way before that.

With Bent - it was never going to be about him actually being F1 - they knew he was going to leave early, I'm convinced he was hired to play that role and spew all that nastiness - Ash was never supposed to fall for him - they likely had Michelle send the text - they had Chris try and talk sense into her - it didn't work, she fell for him anyway.....she moves on, they bring him back....what a mess.

I find it difficult to believe that they didn't understand how naive, inexperienced, and unworldly Ashley really is. :no:
It would take someone like Michelle or Roslyn to handle a con man like Bentley. Ashley was simpley out of her element.

Also, I think they did Ashley a complete disservice by recruiting guys who did not know the Bachelorette ahead of time. She is cute enough and has enough going for her professionally in her own right to have attracted 25 quality guys without bringing on a bunch who were expecting the beautiful Emily or the sexy Chantal.

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Post by anders on Fri Jun 10, 2011 10:25 am

Rego was already slated to leave early (not early enough for him). Frank was slated to be the potential F1 that broke her heart by leaving her at the last minute - two different storylines = lots of drama. Somehow they had something over Frank's head that kept him that long, since we know he wanted to leave way before that.

With Bent - it was never going to be about him actually being F1 - they knew he was going to leave early, I'm convinced he was hired to play that role and spew all that nastiness - Ash was never supposed to fall for him - they likely had Michelle send the text - they had Chris try and talk sense into her - it didn't work, she fell for him anyway.....she moves on, they bring him back....what a mess.

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Post by Bloomers on Fri Jun 10, 2011 10:10 am

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:Basically they just do whatever is convenient in terms of storyline and drama. Frank couldn't leave until FD but Bentley could get up and walk as soon as he pleased. If Frank had left in NYC, it would have gotten less bang for their buck so he had to stay till Tahiti.

They told Jake and Ali about Rozlyn and Justin in order to "maintain the integrity of their search for love" but couldn't tell Ash in order to "maintain the integrity being observers in the process." LOL! Okay.

I have often said that it depends on whether the person who wants to leave is someone the lead wants as to whether we hear Chris Harrison give that spiel (paraphrase), "Gentlen/Ladies, if the Bachelo/Bachelorette is not someone you can see yourself married to, please feel free to reject the rose."

We did NOT hear that spiel during Tessa's, Graham's, Frank's, Wes's, or Bentley's seasons.

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Post by Alanna on Fri Jun 10, 2011 9:56 am

Basically they just do whatever is convenient in terms of storyline and drama. Frank couldn't leave until FD but Bentley could get up and walk as soon as he pleased. If Frank had left in NYC, it would have gotten less bang for their buck so he had to stay till Tahiti.

They told Jake and Ali about Rozlyn and Justin in order to "maintain the integrity of their search for love" but couldn't tell Ash in order to "maintain the integrity being observers in the process." LOL! Okay.

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Post by anders on Fri Jun 10, 2011 9:37 am

think about it too - neither Rego or Roslyn got 1:1 either. Iron is right - it's never about protecting anyone, it's about using their 'villaness' to create drama then dispose of them quickly.

Am I the only one who sometimes mixes up Ash/Ali when reading/posting??? I only mean their names, not their actual selves.

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Post by ironcat on Fri Jun 10, 2011 9:24 am

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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:Right - JP got the epi 3 date - but who would've gotten it if he won the epi 2 coin toss??
I think Mickey would probably have gotten it....just because of the coin toss thing.

I'm hoping the reason that Bentley didn't get a date was that somebody on staff... not MF naturally...had a heart and that although they couldn't tell her that Bentley was such a creep, they did try to protect her a little by not setting up a date with him.

This is kind of off topic and has probably been said before but they let Jake know that Roslyn had an inapprpriate relationship with a staff member, and let Ali know about Justin, so they could have told Ashley know about Bentley.

Sure they could have, but then we couldn't have the drama of Bentley coming back for round 2. The producers don't care about protecting Ashley (not that they cared about protecting Jake or Ali either), especially if it would mean sacrificing what they consider to be good TV. In the case of Jake and Ali, the storyline with their "villains" had run its course, so they told them and kicked the bad guy/girl out; but Bentley for them is too good a villain to dispose of that quickly.

I have a feeling that Ashley liked a lot of the guys to varying degrees on the first night (she does seem really naive when it comes to being able to feel these guys out), and probably gave the producers a longer list of favorites than most leads do, with her first tier being Bentley (who I agree they weren't going to give her a date with; I guess in that sense they "protected her" from him), Will, JP, Mickey and Ben C. The second tier may have been what turned out to be the rest of her F4 plus perhaps Ryan, although I'm starting to think he was more of a producer pick for her all along (being groomed for next Bachelor), and they "suggested" to her that he get the FIR and the date rose, but Ashley stuck to her guns about wanting solo dates with her other "favorites" before him.

We know what Will did to kill his chances with her. I wonder if we will find out what blew it for Mickey (afraid he was a "player"?) and Ben C (maybe too hyper/intense?).

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Post by Bloomers on Fri Jun 10, 2011 9:11 am

Fascinator11 wrote:
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:Right - JP got the epi 3 date - but who would've gotten it if he won the epi 2 coin toss??
I think Mickey would probably have gotten it....just because of the coin toss thing.

I'm hoping the reason that Bentley didn't get a date was that somebody on staff... not MF naturally...had a heart and that although they couldn't tell her that Bentley was such a creep, they did try to protect her a little by not setting up a date with him.

This is kind of off topic and has probably been said before but they let Jake know that Roslyn had an inapprpriate relationship with a staff member, and let Ali know about Justin, so they could have told Ashley know about Bentley.

The situation though is different. Roslyn and Justin ostensibly were planning on staying regardless of their situations whereas Bentley was talking to "the mask", Jeff, about wanting to leave - which we know from Jeff's conference call in the media section. Since they are filmed all of the time, the producers were aware of this as well.

I believe that they were hoping to just milk the situation of all of the drama they could get out of it as quickly as possible, and then get it out just as quickly.

Notice that he appeared to leave at will! Jeff, "the mask", mentioned this when he said, "Dude, I don't think you can just up and leave," but that is what Bentley appeared to do. Have we ever seen anyone else do that?
To the best of my knowledge, departures in the middle of the show have been carefully orchestrated through the producers. Either they have been at a rose ceremony, the person is accompanied by Chris Harrison with an explanation (Jason's season), there is a huge production (Frank), or something, but contestants don't just on their own choose to pack up their bags and hit the dusty trail.....that is unless his/her name is Bentley Williams.

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Post by northernviewer on Fri Jun 10, 2011 8:59 am

Fascinator11 wrote:
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:Right - JP got the epi 3 date - but who would've gotten it if he won the epi 2 coin toss??
I think Mickey would probably have gotten it....just because of the coin toss thing.

I'm hoping the reason that Bentley didn't get a date was that somebody on staff... not MF naturally...had a heart and that although they couldn't tell her that Bentley was such a creep, they did try to protect her a little by not setting up a date with him.

This is kind of off topic and has probably been said before but they let Jake know that Roslyn had an inapprpriate relationship with a staff member, and let Ali know about Justin, so they could have told Ashley know about Bentley.

but she's already been warned about Bentley by Michelle. Roslyn was different as she had an affair, and Justin was a warning just like Ashley's was from Michelle, so outside of repeating to her what he said in PI's, what could they do but let it play out - you know anything for drama tv - but just maybe a female producer put her foot down about letting her actually have a 1/1 date with him. Just a thought as to why she didn't get a date with him when she was gaga over the guy **gag**

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Post by Guest on Fri Jun 10, 2011 8:54 am

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@anders wrote:Right - JP got the epi 3 date - but who would've gotten it if he won the epi 2 coin toss??
I think Mickey would probably have gotten it....just because of the coin toss thing.

I'm hoping the reason that Bentley didn't get a date was that somebody on staff... not MF naturally...had a heart and that although they couldn't tell her that Bentley was such a creep, they did try to protect her a little by not setting up a date with him.

This is kind of off topic and has probably been said before but they let Jake know that Roslyn had an inapprpriate relationship with a staff member, and let Ali know about Justin, so they could have told Ashley know about Bentley.

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