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Last Chance Dates - Screencaps - Discussion

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Post by summerluvn on Sat Jul 30, 2011 9:31 pm

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kashoo wrote:I also noticed from watching the mud date again that Ashley keeps him at arms length the whole time they are putting mud on each other. I thought that was pretty telling body language.

Yeah, can you imagine if it was JP that she was slathering mud all over?? I think the cameras would burn up! giggling

Oh, I can imagine it ... firework

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Post by Max64 on Sat Jul 30, 2011 8:55 pm

kashoo wrote:I also noticed from watching the mud date again that Ashley keeps him at arms length the whole time they are putting mud on each other. I thought that was pretty telling body language.

Yeah, can you imagine if it was JP that she was slathering mud all over?? I think the cameras would burn up! giggling

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Post by GrahamGal on Sat Jul 30, 2011 8:14 pm

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kashoo wrote:I also noticed from watching the mud date again that Ashley keeps him at arms length the whole time they are putting mud on each other. I thought that was pretty telling body language.

AND, she rubbed the mud on herself (on the bikini top area) whereas on the boat he had no problem doing it with the sunscreen...hmmm...I just feel like it it were JP, he would have done it himself instead of her and then ABC would have edited it out because it would be too hot for the 'family' network, LOL.

Someone mentioned that during the mud bath she is talking about going down and grabbing more mud. After watching it it appears that is exactly what she is talking about, but when she realizes how that sounded she starts laughing. If she had been talking about him she could have reached lower, not wished she could.

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Post by Guest on Sat Jul 30, 2011 8:08 pm

@marshavnyd wrote:
@LuvnIt wrote:
@ironcat wrote:
kashoo wrote:
@LuvnIt wrote:
@Thomigirl wrote:Does anyone know who goes first? I can't but feel NOTHING when Ben tells her 'I love you'...sounds SOOO scripted and fake. JMO


That's the take i got from that scene as well, that is why i am surprised that he would even purpose as i just don 't see that he is really feeling Ashley at all and IMHO he hasn't throughout this whole journey, anyway i haven't seen the love journey from Ben maybe a good friend journey.

I think Ben thinks he's in love with Ashley. He says he never felt that strongly for anyone before so by his experience that would make sense. I think most of us can look back at what we thought was love and see that we couldn't have been more wrong, hindsight 20/20 and all that. I think Ben probably realized soon after the show that his feelings were not as strong as the pressures of the show made them seem.

I think some people are more susceptible to the Bachelor Brainwash, and Ben, coming off a few years of emotional unavailability was probably pegged by the show psychologists early on as someone who would be extremely easy to manipulate emotionally. I absolutely believe he believed he found love with Ashley, and therefore became oblivious to all the signs she gave him that she wasn't reciprocating those feelings. And we know, from alumni who have commented on it, that the producers do try to push/lead them in certain directions by implying things to them that may not be true, so I'm sure his obliviousness was encouraged by the producers. They wanted him to propose, knowing full well that Ashley was falling head over heels for JP. They knew the ending they were shooting for and they got it.
For now, I'm going to give him the full benefit of the doubt that he was totally sincere and wasn't faking all this in hopes of becoming the next Bachelor. If we hear any evidence to the contrary, I'll reevaluate my opinion.


I am no sleuther and not even a good observant watcher of this show but this season due to a great couple i am taking second looks and more in watching & what gives me pause on Ben being in love with Ashley is that all his remarks in PI's, ITM's so to speak or even when he is telling Ashley he loves her it is done with absolutely no emotion so it makes me wonder and again no idea

What I find very strange is that two weeks prior to the FRC, he was ready to walk away from Ashley if his mom and sister didn't approve...... If she was that 'disposable' I'm surprised by the anger that's been reported during the rejection. I guess we'll all know more when we actually see the show on Monday night. I wonder what ABC will actually air??? That's the $64K question.
wow, such logical posts. I agree.


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Post by Thomigirl on Sat Jul 30, 2011 8:00 pm

kashoo wrote:I also noticed from watching the mud date again that Ashley keeps him at arms length the whole time they are putting mud on each other. I thought that was pretty telling body language.

AND, she rubbed the mud on herself (on the bikini top area) whereas on the boat he had no problem doing it with the sunscreen...hmmm...I just feel like it it were JP, he would have done it himself instead of her and then ABC would have edited it out because it would be too hot for the 'family' network, LOL.

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Post by marshavnyd on Sat Jul 30, 2011 7:53 pm

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kashoo wrote:
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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:Does anyone know who goes first? I can't but feel NOTHING when Ben tells her 'I love you'...sounds SOOO scripted and fake. JMO




That's the take i got from that scene as well, that is why i am surprised that he would even purpose as i just don 't see that he is really feeling Ashley at all and IMHO he hasn't throughout this whole journey, anyway i haven't seen the love journey from Ben maybe a good friend journey.

I think Ben thinks he's in love with Ashley. He says he never felt that strongly for anyone before so by his experience that would make sense. I think most of us can look back at what we thought was love and see that we couldn't have been more wrong, hindsight 20/20 and all that. I think Ben probably realized soon after the show that his feelings were not as strong as the pressures of the show made them seem.

I think some people are more susceptible to the Bachelor Brainwash, and Ben, coming off a few years of emotional unavailability was probably pegged by the show psychologists early on as someone who would be extremely easy to manipulate emotionally. I absolutely believe he believed he found love with Ashley, and therefore became oblivious to all the signs she gave him that she wasn't reciprocating those feelings. And we know, from alumni who have commented on it, that the producers do try to push/lead them in certain directions by implying things to them that may not be true, so I'm sure his obliviousness was encouraged by the producers. They wanted him to propose, knowing full well that Ashley was falling head over heels for JP. They knew the ending they were shooting for and they got it.

For now, I'm going to give him the full benefit of the doubt that he was totally sincere and wasn't faking all this in hopes of becoming the next Bachelor. If we hear any evidence to the contrary, I'll reevaluate my opinion.



I am no sleuther and not even a good observant watcher of this show but this season due to a great couple i am taking second looks and more in watching & what gives me pause on Ben being in love with Ashley is that all his remarks in PI's, ITM's so to speak or even when he is telling Ashley he loves her it is done with absolutely no emotion so it makes me wonder and again no idea

What I find very strange is that two weeks prior to the FRC, he was ready to walk away from Ashley if his mom and sister didn't approve...... If she was that 'disposable' I'm surprised by the anger that's been reported during the rejection. I guess we'll all know more when we actually see the show on Monday night. I wonder what ABC will actually air??? That's the $64K question.

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Post by LuvnIt on Sat Jul 30, 2011 6:47 pm

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kashoo wrote:
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:Does anyone know who goes first? I can't but feel NOTHING when Ben tells her 'I love you'...sounds SOOO scripted and fake. JMO




That's the take i got from that scene as well, that is why i am surprised that he would even purpose as i just don 't see that he is really feeling Ashley at all and IMHO he hasn't throughout this whole journey, anyway i haven't seen the love journey from Ben maybe a good friend journey.

I think Ben thinks he's in love with Ashley. He says he never felt that strongly for anyone before so by his experience that would make sense. I think most of us can look back at what we thought was love and see that we couldn't have been more wrong, hindsight 20/20 and all that. I think Ben probably realized soon after the show that his feelings were not as strong as the pressures of the show made them seem.

I think some people are more susceptible to the Bachelor Brainwash, and Ben, coming off a few years of emotional unavailability was probably pegged by the show psychologists early on as someone who would be extremely easy to manipulate emotionally. I absolutely believe he believed he found love with Ashley, and therefore became oblivious to all the signs she gave him that she wasn't reciprocating those feelings. And we know, from alumni who have commented on it, that the producers do try to push/lead them in certain directions by implying things to them that may not be true, so I'm sure his obliviousness was encouraged by the producers. They wanted him to propose, knowing full well that Ashley was falling head over heels for JP. They knew the ending they were shooting for and they got it.

For now, I'm going to give him the full benefit of the doubt that he was totally sincere and wasn't faking all this in hopes of becoming the next Bachelor. If we hear any evidence to the contrary, I'll reevaluate my opinion.



I am no sleuther and not even a good observant watcher of this show but this season due to a great couple i am taking second looks and more in watching & what gives me pause on Ben being in love with Ashley is that all his remarks in PI's, ITM's so to speak or even when he is telling Ashley he loves her it is done with absolutely no emotion so it makes me wonder and again no idea

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Post by ironcat on Sat Jul 30, 2011 5:35 pm

kashoo wrote:
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:Does anyone know who goes first? I can't but feel NOTHING when Ben tells her 'I love you'...sounds SOOO scripted and fake. JMO




That's the take i got from that scene as well, that is why i am surprised that he would even purpose as i just don 't see that he is really feeling Ashley at all and IMHO he hasn't throughout this whole journey, anyway i haven't seen the love journey from Ben maybe a good friend journey.

I think Ben thinks he's in love with Ashley. He says he never felt that strongly for anyone before so by his experience that would make sense. I think most of us can look back at what we thought was love and see that we couldn't have been more wrong, hindsight 20/20 and all that. I think Ben probably realized soon after the show that his feelings were not as strong as the pressures of the show made them seem.

I think some people are more susceptible to the Bachelor Brainwash, and Ben, coming off a few years of emotional unavailability was probably pegged by the show psychologists early on as someone who would be extremely easy to manipulate emotionally. I absolutely believe he believed he found love with Ashley, and therefore became oblivious to all the signs she gave him that she wasn't reciprocating those feelings. And we know, from alumni who have commented on it, that the producers do try to push/lead them in certain directions by implying things to them that may not be true, so I'm sure his obliviousness was encouraged by the producers. They wanted him to propose, knowing full well that Ashley was falling head over heels for JP. They knew the ending they were shooting for and they got it.

For now, I'm going to give him the full benefit of the doubt that he was totally sincere and wasn't faking all this in hopes of becoming the next Bachelor. If we hear any evidence to the contrary, I'll reevaluate my opinion.

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Post by Guest on Sat Jul 30, 2011 5:34 pm

no idea is right, LuvnIt! Just trying to make sense of that whole mess, haha. This is my first Bachelorette so I am not well-versed on the handling of the F2.

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Post by LuvnIt on Sat Jul 30, 2011 5:28 pm

kashoo wrote:
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:Does anyone know who goes first? I can't but feel NOTHING when Ben tells her 'I love you'...sounds SOOO scripted and fake. JMO




That's the take i got from that scene as well, that is why i am surprised that he would even purpose as i just don 't see that he is really feeling Ashley at all and IMHO he hasn't throughout this whole journey, anyway i haven't seen the love journey from Ben maybe a good friend journey.

I think Ben thinks he's in love with Ashley. He says he never felt that strongly for anyone before so by his experience that would make sense. I think most of us can look back at what we thought was love and see that we couldn't have been more wrong, hindsight 20/20 and all that. I think Ben probably realized soon after the show that his feelings were not as strong as the pressures of the show made them seem.




But if Ben thought himself to be in love with Ashley his words, actions and facial expression did not go along with that feeling jmo no idea

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Post by Guest on Sat Jul 30, 2011 5:24 pm

I also noticed from watching the mud date again that Ashley keeps him at arms length the whole time they are putting mud on each other. I thought that was pretty telling body language.

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Post by Guest on Sat Jul 30, 2011 5:22 pm

They gave Ben Chris Lambton's edit, and several same type dates (sad son, with deceased parent, scooter, boat, etc) and we know Chris was their first choice for the bachelor, but he met Peyton and said no. His exit before the LCD with the rainbow made everyone, even Roberto fans, cry. MF hit gold on that rainbow appearing and milked it for all it was worth, so nothing is out of the realm of possibility with MF. We'll never know, but it's a another topic to discuss for sure.

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