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Final Rose Ceremony - Screencaps - Discussion

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Post by logomaniac on Mon Aug 01, 2011 12:45 am

The ending I would like to see is the Bachlorette propose to the F1! That would be fun.

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Post by Guest on Mon Aug 01, 2011 12:28 am

@LibbyBell wrote:
@Lucas15 wrote:
@LibbyBell wrote:This is exactly what Ben did; put everyone and everything else out of his mind so that all he focused on was how he was with Ashley-- I don't even think he even bothered to analyze how Ashley was with him.

This is a very astute and I think accurate observation of Ben. I don't think he ever really gave consideration to Ashley's side of the equation and that led him to be totally blindsided when he learned that she didn't feel the way about him that he felt about her. Adopting a position in a relationship that "because I love her she has to love me" is probably not a good idea.

handwave Thanks Lucas, I feel he was very naive to adopt this position, as well.
Lucas I loved hearing from a man's point of view, and I too, believe that's exactly what happened. I feel it's unfair to blame Ashley.

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Post by LibbyBell on Mon Aug 01, 2011 12:04 am

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:This is exactly what Ben did; put everyone and everything else out of his mind so that all he focused on was how he was with Ashley-- I don't even think he even bothered to analyze how Ashley was with him.

This is a very astute and I think accurate observation of Ben. I don't think he ever really gave consideration to Ashley's side of the equation and that led him to be totally blindsided when he learned that she didn't feel the way about him that he felt about her. Adopting a position in a relationship that "because I love her she has to love me" is probably not a good idea.

handwave Thanks Lucas, I feel he was very naive to adopt this position, as well.

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Post by Guest on Sun Jul 31, 2011 11:50 pm

@Bronwyn wrote:Like all here, I will be heartbroken for Ben tomorrow night, like I am with all F2 when they are let go. I feel really bad for both Ben and Ashley. Something tells me, that after allowing Ali to let Chris go early last year, which had never been done before, and isn't likely to be done again, that TPTB really pushed for the two proposals this time, just for the shock to the audience, if nothing else. They didn't care if it hurt Ben, and they didn't care how it would make Ashley look in some eyes. I'm not going to criticize either of these two for how this came to be, because I am all too aware, as we all are, of the mind games TPTB play on these people to get the result they want. And IMO, the two proposals is exactly what they wanted to happen.

ICAM with you about this. I personally believe both of them got put in a ridiculous situation causing Ashley to choke and Ben to helpfully plow on through. I hold TPTB 100% responsible for the whole thing because just as they never bothered to give Ashley the irrefutable evidence that the DB was making a fool out of her, they would have absolutely no compunction about playing mind games with both Ben and Ashley prior to the break up at the podium. All they had to do was add to Ash's stress level and worry by putting a bug in her ear by reaffirming just how difficult it is going to be to handle Ben's rejection and amping up her fears about JP maybe freaking out about her sister and getting cold feet; meanwhile putting a bug in Ben's ear that his got this and if Ashley is tongue-tied he should just jump in and go for it coz he's the one. I can see it all too clearly. They started with the OTT drama and they are all too happy to end with it as well. The engagement at the end of it is just the cherry on top for the franchise. The damage they do up to that point is something they could not care one iota about at all.

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Post by Nativenewyorker on Sun Jul 31, 2011 11:50 pm

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:I have been very careful not to assign blame on any party that they do not deserve. I remember what it's like to be heartbroken over my favorite not being chosen, and I have tried to be a gracious winner this time around. I just want to put that out there before I ask this question.

I am in NO way bashing Ben.

Much has been made about Ashley "allowing" Ben to propose -- again, we won't know until we actually see it. However, I have been reading on other boards today and people have been saying pretty harsh stuff about the fact that Ben takes off and is "bitter." I am NOT saying he doesn't have the right to be hurt and upset. What I AM wondering is if his response will help to soften the public outrage over Ashley allowing him to propose?

Obviously Deanna received a lot of backlash, but then Jason reacted quietly, graciously, sorrowfully, etc.

Any thoughts?

I think it's just too early to know how this will all play out. I haven't been reading other boards, so I have no idea how the spoiler information for the FRC has been received. All of these people are also talking without having seen it. They may well change their minds after they watch it. That is why I have withheld judgement until I see it for myself. Only then will I be able to form any reasonable opinion. At this point, I am not ready to assign blame to either Ashley or Ben. I did consider the fact that some may well dislike how Ben reacts, regardless of the fact that he proposed and was rejected. It is a possibility. I am also not predicting a huge backlash for Ashley before I even get to see it.

I think Jason was practically canonized by many people who decided that he was the ideal man. I still remember how his ex-wife was attacked online and was the recipient of horrendous hatespeak, all because people loved Jason. Then on Jason's bachelor season, he became public enemy #1, the most hated bachelor in history. Things can turn on a dime. Extreme reactions to what happens on this show never made much sense to me. There is too much going on behind the scenes for me to take my anger out on the participants alone.

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Post by mnmhughes on Sun Jul 31, 2011 9:57 pm

I have been very careful not to assign blame on any party that they do not deserve. I remember what it's like to be heartbroken over my favorite not being chosen, and I have tried to be a gracious winner this time around. I just want to put that out there before I ask this question.

I am in NO way bashing Ben.

Much has been made about Ashley "allowing" Ben to propose -- again, we won't know until we actually see it. However, I have been reading on other boards today and people have been saying pretty harsh stuff about the fact that Ben takes off and is "bitter." I am NOT saying he doesn't have the right to be hurt and upset. What I AM wondering is if his response will help to soften the public outrage over Ashley allowing him to propose?

Obviously Deanna received a lot of backlash, but then Jason reacted quietly, graciously, sorrowfully, etc.

Any thoughts?

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Post by Guest on Sun Jul 31, 2011 9:43 pm

@allykat wrote:I have never, not once, ever picked the F1 on this show so I’m used to suffering through posts speculating that the relationship with the F2 was one-sided. This year I finally got to see the love story with the F1, but I feel for Ben fans. We have the benefit of watching her time with both JP and Ben and realizing the difference in the relationships, Ben didn’t have that clarity. I don’t blame him at all for thinking he was the one.

Since I’m already on this subject, I’ll also say that I think Ashely is partly to blame for him being blindsided. She lets the guys set the tone - JP is obviously an open communicator, whereas Ben is more of a go with the flow ‘you’ll figure it out’ kind of guy - and she responds to each in kind. On her FD with JP she brings up potential concerns and they talk about them together...competition, the other guys, holding back. On her FD with Ben she doesn’t really ask questions or deal with any obstacles, she just goes with the flow. I think that’s part of the reason Ben is blindsided - she never addressed any concerns (particularly with the process) so he didn't think they existed. Ben says something like they can gauge what each other is thinking...so they are assuming what the other one is thinking instead of talking about it like she does with JP. It’s just totally different. All of this is to say that Ashley could have taken more control over their relationship and handled it better. Instead of just going with the flow she could have helped to navigate their communication a little so that he wouldn’t be blindsided. JP was prepared for heartbreak because they talked about it, but that wasn’t the case with Ben. I'm not saying it's all her fault, but she certainly has a part in it.

Great post! Ben has a responsibility in the relationship as well, but imho Ashley as the lead held so much more power.... right through to the FRC. I don't think in Ben's position I would have been any more assertive, either... even now, as a wife, when I see all the things tugging at my husband's time and attention, I try (not always successfully) to wait till it's "my turn".... I saw Ben handling things similarly....??

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Post by albean99 on Sun Jul 31, 2011 8:46 pm

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Online I don't think she will be criticized as much because there seems to be a majority who have bought into the whole cupcake thing.

"bought the cupcake thing"...laugh out loud ,whatever. no no Guess millions of people like the "cupcake thing".
Hollywood LIfe poll and there are literally tons just like this on every site and JP dominates
with over 85-95% in ALL of them.

Who was Ashley's best good guy?

J.P. Rosenbaum 85.1%

Constantine Tzortzis 1.15%

Ben Flajnik 8.6%

Ames Brown 3.44%

Ryan Park 1.72%

That doesn't convince me. I'm talking about viewers who aren't necessarily searching out Bachelorette things. I've never even been to that site but what does "best good guy" even mean? I called it the "cupcake thing" because you all seem to love and talk about it all the time and I guess I don't see the great love story you all do. Right now I see a relationship that's in it's infancy and we'll just have to see if it lasts beyond the great chemistry they clearly have. I'm not making a prediction either way because I have no idea.


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Post by Guest on Sun Jul 31, 2011 8:35 pm

Well Ben's walk off is a new one. No other F2, no matter how hurt, humiliated, disillusioned, heartbroken or sad,
ever was so inclined to storm off the FRC. laugh out loud. maybe that's how he got the nick name "Stormhorse" :giggle:

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Post by bluwavz on Sun Jul 31, 2011 8:34 pm

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:Not too many endings left that haven't been done before.

A wedding at the FRC, his ultimate goal.

The primary being rejected by their F1.
Can anyone think of any other endings we haven't seen yet?

They've recycled the two proposals now. At some point, they'll recycle the letting F2 go, when it best suits their needs.

I was hoping for that during Jake's season. :laughingoutlou

One ending they could do is have one of the final 2 contestants reject the lead before the FRC leaving the lead to have to end up with the other contestant and then have the viewers question whether that contestant would've really been the lead's final 1 if the other one hadn't left. It's awful, but you know they'd do it.

ETA: Another ending they could do is do like what they did with Reid coming back, but actually have the lead take them back and reject who they were originally going to pick.


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Post by Bronwyn on Sun Jul 31, 2011 8:25 pm

Not too many endings left that haven't been done before.

A wedding at the FRC, his ultimate goal.

The primary being rejected by their F1.
Can anyone think of any other endings we haven't seen yet?

They've recycled the two proposals now. At some point, they'll recycle the letting F2 go, when it best suits their needs.

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Post by ninu on Sun Jul 31, 2011 8:11 pm

He still drools over Ali!! So SO creepy!! :puke:

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