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Nick Viall - Bachelorette 11 - *Spoilers - Sleuthing* - Discussion #4

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Post by Kashathediva on Wed Jun 24, 2015 6:30 pm

At worst the discrepancy between actions and words is hypocrisy. The middle of the road being unable to come up with a better retort and the least is simply blame it on ignorance. She isn't the sharpest tool in the bachelorette drawer.


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Post by happygolucky on Wed Jun 24, 2015 6:38 pm

Animosity? ... For what? ... For making her weak in her knees? Hugesmile No, I don't think so either ... but it kinda confirms my belief from some time ago ... there is no friendship to go back to because there was never a real friendship to begin with.
IMO, Nick supporting words are simply positive affirmations; Sometimes to himself - to give sense to it all, sometimes to his fans - to explain and agree with or show appreciation, sometimes to all the anti-fans - to "kill with kindness".
Once the storm is over and you're left with a devastation you try to find a bright side, since that's the way to live with no regret after the risk you took by playing house in the middle of whirlwind hasn't paid off.

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Post by Guest on Wed Jun 24, 2015 6:48 pm

K cares too much about what people think and Nick doesn't care at all.

It's the easy choice for her to talk trash about Nick.

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Post by mysthelma on Wed Jun 24, 2015 6:57 pm

@AllAboutLove wrote:
@mysthelma wrote:For me I don't want to read too much into her interviews, I really don't think there is animosity between K and N. It's normal for her to go on the defensive with all the hate she getting after sexgate. What I don't get it she says she does not regret the sex she must own her actions Nick did not force himself on her. And she starting to sound stupid there is nothing wrong with being flirty and physical when u dating someone. I would worried if am dating a guy and he does not flirt or is touchy with me

She is starting to annoy me with her back peddling. It's does not match up with her actions and words on the shows.
Oh boy. Seems like this is starting to become a theme with Kailtyn (as Shawn kept reiterating).
S sees it as "words and actions not matching up" and K sees it as "living in the moment".
Who knows what Nick sees. Obviously his view must be different now. Hopefully so.

Nick will be fine even if he doesn't act like it FRC time and hopefully he will realize (if not already) that being F2 twice is a sign from the universe to stay away from anything Bach-related.

My wish is that Nick excuses himself and does not attend the atfr, I don't know if he obligated to based on his contract. Can't he just join via Skype is something just to wish K and S well and tell them he didn't want his presence to be awkward for them? I don't know if any f2 has ever boycotted the atfr
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Post by lleyki on Wed Jun 24, 2015 7:01 pm

I can't think of any. I just remember Claire refusing to talk to Juan Pablo and only being interviewed by Chris Harrison and I remember Bentley, controversial contestant from Ashley's season, did not attend the Men Tell All.

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Post by Hotmomma on Wed Jun 24, 2015 7:02 pm

@happydays wrote:K cares too much about what people think and Nick doesn't care at all.

It's the easy choice for her to talk trash about Nick.
I must be missing something. I haven't seen her talk trash about Nick.
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Post by AllAboutLove on Wed Jun 24, 2015 7:03 pm

I think Kasha posted in this thread or another about "Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me".

How appropriate that we heard "I'm such a fool for you, you've got me wrapped around your finger" when Kaitlyn was on GD SQT with Jared in the same church that Nick was in with Kaitlyn the night before.

Some may attribute this different ways (and I can even see it applying to Shawn - especially the "ruining everything" part).

With Nick, I can see it as him being a fool for a girl who initiated interest on SM
... which led him to then pursue her and she initiate her own SQT post-date to culminate in him proposing and being rejected.
... but also/mostly to ultimately be a willing fool for TPTB's games a 2nd time.


The lyrics to the song are interesting, given what we are likely to see take place by FRC time for Nick:
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If you, if you could return, don't let it burn, don't let it fade.
I'm sure I'm not being rude, but it's just your attitude,
It's tearing me apart, It's ruining everything.

I swore, I swore I would be true, and honey, so did you.
So why were you holding her hand? Is that the way we stand?
Were you lying all the time? Was it just a game to you?

But I'm in so deep. You know I'm such a fool for you.
You got me wrapped around your finger, ah, ha, ha.
Do you have to let it linger? Do you have to, do you have to,
Do you have to let it linger?

Oh, I thought the world of you.
I thought nothing could go wrong,
But I was wrong. I was wrong.
If you, if you could get by, trying not to lie,
Things wouldn't be so confused and I wouldn't feel so used,
But you always really knew, I just wanna be with you.

But I'm in so deep. You know I'm such a fool for you.
You got me wrapped around your finger, ah, ha, ha.
Do you have to let it linger? Do you have to, do you have to,
Do you have to let it linger?

You know I'm such a fool for you.
You got me wrapped around your finger, ah, ha, ha.
Do you have to let it linger? Do you have to, do you have to,
Do you have to let it linger?
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Post by Lucas15 on Wed Jun 24, 2015 7:14 pm

chasingpavements wrote:
@historyrepeats wrote:
@AllAboutLove wrote:
HGL, she is in AOL video interview and labels with what I would call facial disgust, Nick as "just a flirt" and then talks about Shawn and her "we had these 'obstacles' to overcome". That essentially she was just mimicking Nick's behavior and thus her attraction to him was only because he is such a physical guy (sounds to me like the edit of the show). Also negates her making out with the other guys.

It is just a repeat of last year. There are MOT men and there are MOT couples. The whole show, imo is not just MOT but WOT (waste of time) at this point.

What stuck out to me in that video was the part where she talked about not being aware of how strong people's negative feelings about Nick were and not getting it because her experience of him as nice and supportive, and then said something like "I get it now" while making a face. She could be talking about getting that people hate him now because of the backlash against her, but the way she said it definitely sounded more like she got why people hated him...

I do wonder if something happened since FRC, since she has really changed her tune on him since that first media round. I get why, but it sucks to see her rewriting history...so far all we've seen is her lighting up every time he is around.

Yup, definitely stuck out to me too. I have to think that if something DID happen, it had to happen post-filming as she spoke pretty positively about him in her initial interviews and her first blog about him. Now, she has seemed to go full Andi on him

I listened to the AOL video multiple times and while I think I know what she said, I don't know what she meant by it. One plausible interpretation is that she now fully understands that people don't like Nick - because of all the backlash she's gotten for allowing Nick on the show. But another plausible interpretation is that now she "gets why people don't like him because she's seen reasons herself.

I still can't shake the feeling that something has happened after filming, about a week before snapchat-gate - just from listening to what Kaitlyn has said and also how she says it, and a week before snapchat-gate was when she erased Nick from her SM. I sure hope that eventually we are able to unravel this mystery.

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Post by Guest on Wed Jun 24, 2015 7:31 pm

@Hotmomma wrote:
@happydays wrote:K cares too much about what people think and Nick doesn't care at all.

It's the easy choice for her to talk trash about Nick.
I  must be missing something. I haven't seen her talk trash about Nick.

Didn't word that quite right.
I thought about it from a sleuther point of view as well as a person who isn't so invested in this show, and I still think the "I get it now" in terms of the Nick hate is a direct diss. Ofc, it could be misconstrued, but on the surface, it definitely seems like a bit of a dig IMO from a viewer's perspective. And I do believe that this is in response to the public hate he is getting.

It bothers me more that Nick has been so supportive on SM and this is the reciprocation. This is not to blame anyone, but I can't help but thinking "Ouch" for Nick

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Post by albean99 on Wed Jun 24, 2015 7:34 pm

@happydays wrote:K cares too much about what people think and Nick doesn't care at all.

It's the easy choice for her to talk trash about Nick.

Is there an interview that I missed? I don't see where Kaitlyn was trash talking Nick.


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Post by Guest on Wed Jun 24, 2015 7:40 pm

@albean99 wrote:
@happydays wrote:K cares too much about what people think and Nick doesn't care at all.

It's the easy choice for her to talk trash about Nick.

Is there an interview that I missed? I don't see where Kaitlyn was trash talking Nick.

Sorry-- terrible wording. IMO, I thought K threw a bit of a diss to Nick in that interview. But that is just my personal opinion ofc.

Re: Nick boycotting AFTR. There is no way producers would allow that. They would be licking their lips at Nick seeing the lead after heartbreak again. It's too good of TV for them to allow him not to come.

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Post by Guest on Wed Jun 24, 2015 8:26 pm

High clap





@lleyki wrote:I thought RS suggested Nick was unemployed and as we know everything he says is gospel. *in case it wasn't obvious, that was sarcasm*

I hope for Kaitlyn's sake she doesn't try to pull an Andi and act like everything was all Nick and she had no culpability in anything because that didn't work for Andi with some people and it will DEFINITELY not work for her. Kaitlyn is delusional if she thinks anyone, I guess aside from people who really, really hate Nick, will go for that when she has been getting criticized and called out since the first episode of the season, long before Nick showed up.

People have been judging her, judging her actions, calling her shallow (before Ian said it), worse Bachelorette ever and yes the sl*t shaming. I've read so many comments from people so excited for the MTA to see the guys go at her and say how they felt about her as the lead and how awful she was. Fact, Kaitlyn is not exactly beloved as the lead and yeah I'm sure the producers will push the "love story" between her and Shawn, starting with her melt down next week at the sheer thought that that "thing/mistake" she did with Nick could cost her him but yeah, some people are still not going to be fully sold on her or hell even them as a couple that they will buy this "oh it was all Nick, he was just so aggressive and flirty."

Especially again when she regretted it so much and loved Shawn so much that she kept Nick around and still had sex with him again. So if I were her I'd quit with that mess and go back to, "look, I treated each relationship as its own thing and in that moment I was very attracted to him, felt very connected to him and it happened and that's it." Trying to make herself out to be some innocent manipulated by Nick is bullcrap and disingenuous.  If this past episode is anything to go by, I get that the guy she's currently engaged to isn't the coolest cucumber so maybe she feels she needs to appease his ego but she's making herself look and sound foolish and full of crap in my opinion.



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