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Post by GuardianAngel on Wed Oct 28, 2015 7:25 am

This thread is NO Discussion, so AL can post her info and it won't get buried in discussions.


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Post by Aunties_Love on Wed Oct 28, 2015 8:07 am

STATS:

F1 individual dates:

Bachelor

15)     epi 3
16      epi 2
17      epi 6
18      epi 5
19      epi 3


Bachelorette

5)      epi 3
6       epi 3
7       epi 3
8       epi 5
9       epi 5
10     epi 5
11     epi 5


Epi 7 Individual Dates:

Bachelor

15)     F1>ID1   F4>ID2   F6>ID3
16      F1>ID3   F2>ID1    F6>ID2
17      F3>ID1   F5>ID3    F6>ID2
18      F1>ID2   F6>ID1
19      F1>ID2   F2>ID3     F4>ID1


Bachelorette

6)       F1>ID1       F2>ID3       F4>ID2
7        F2>ID2       F3>ID1       F5>ID3
8        F1>ID2      F2>ID1       F5>ID3
9        F1>ID2      F3>ID1       F5>ID3
10      F1>ID2      F4>ID1
11      F3>ID3      F4>ID2        F5>ID1



2:1 dates:

Bachelor

15)    epi 5
16     epi 6
17     epi 5
18     none
19     epi 6


Bachelorette

5)    epi 4
6     epi 5
7     epi 5
8     epi 4
9     epi 5
10   none
11   epi 6




Individual dates per season

15)     F1 = 2         F2 = 2            F3 = 1 ID, 2/1
16      F1 = 2         F2 = 2            F3 = 1                F4 = 2          F6 = 2
17      F1 = 1         F2 = 1            F3 = 2                F4 = 2          F5 = 2       F6 = 1ID, 2/1
18      F1 = 2         F2 = 2            F3, 4, 5 = 1        F6 = 2
19      F1 = 2         F2 = 2            F3 = 1                F4 = 2          F5,6 = 1






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Post by Aunties_Love on Thu Oct 29, 2015 8:55 pm

These are from the eliminations in a season. Whether that was eliminations per epi by the dates, before the cocktail party, quit or were eliminated by production/lead, ie with Ali and Justin in season 6


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Post by Aunties_Love on Sat Oct 31, 2015 12:46 am

I took an atlas of the world and broke it down into quadrants. Below are the areas that the Bach/ette have been in the world. This is only for the US version BTW. Just thought it may be interesting to see it laid out as to where the franchise has been in it's time.

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Post by Aunties_Love on Sat Oct 31, 2015 11:24 am

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Post by pavalygurl on Sat Oct 31, 2015 3:10 pm

AL, you are on a roll. This is great information. Thanks for all your research. :yes:

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Post by umngirl on Wed Feb 10, 2016 11:20 pm

Because it might come in handy for future sleuthing, the art/prop department for the bachelor is now on Instagram. Their handle is @thisisthefinalrosetonight
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Post by GuardianAngel on Mon Feb 15, 2016 11:09 am

@veg_out wrote:
Tiggerlgh:
There is usually one mag that gets the real scoop.  If I am remembering correctly it can vary season to season from Us Weekly, Life & Style, etc.  so it's sometimes a guess who has the real scoop.

:yes: I went back to pull a handy manual for tabloids from cfck who used to post tabloid arcs several seasons ago. Her genius posts sifted through the trash to find the thread of truth in the stories. For the most part, yes, tabloids are gossip; as with all gossip, there's some speck of truth in it that's been smothered in exaggerations and, at worse, flat-out lies. The trick is to find the truth.

cfck2222:
Top tier: People - PR spin from publicists. Info comes from reliable source but is only the version they would like you to know, which may or may not leave out a lot.
US Weekly - they go a little dirtier, and play the game of sometimes punishing people who don't feed them info with negative coverage. With respect to the Bach/ette, they've nailed a lot of stories including the Ed cheating on Jillian and Jef/Em clustermesses. They also negotiate special features with reality show celebs (their 2 most recent covers are about Snooki's weight loss and Wynonna Judd and her husband coping with a serious injury he suffered in an accident).

Next tier:
In Touch/OK/Life&Style: One of these mags (it's been Life & Style since Ashley Hebert's Bach'ette season, prior to that it was OK), is on the receiving end of strategic leaks from Bach/ette production during the season, and therefore grants favorable coverage to the lead and the season's good guys/girls. The other mags in this tier generally punish the lead/contestants for this cooperation with their competitor by posting nasty, distorted, and generally false stories about the lead and the lead's relationship with the F1. They change positions after the season is over and the lead/contestants negotiate their own feature coverage/start leaking info to individual tabloids. So, you have to read their stuff selectively. Generally though they are on a lower level of reliability than People/US.

Bottom tier:
Star = joke.

Using this info, I'd venture to say that US Weekly is the favored source this season. Here's julychild's post that summarizes the article; if I get a chance, I'll screenshot it for everyone later:

julychild:

Just browsed the Us Weekly article at the store. Summary:

* Ben professed his love to 2 women after they said it first
* Told one behind closed doors at the hotel that he'd known he loved her for a while
* Next day, "shocked" another one by saying the L word back, during a date to some rain forest
* Show insider claims Ben has the ability to love more than one person at a time
* Ben makes matters worse by sleeping with all 3 girls in FS
* 3 girls felt they were the one, because it was a bid deal for a Christian to sleep with them (or something like that)
* He "regretted" saying ILU to 2 girls
* Ben's parents liked one woman more than the other, which Ben had to take into consideration. Family's opinion is important and all of that...
* Was conflicted even while buying rings
* Girls didn't know how torn-up he was
* Ben tells F2 during breakup that he really does love her, even though he made a mistake to say it.
* F2 was "devastated"
* Crying, crying, crying
* Went through hell, but it was worth it at the end

Here are the week's tabloid covers: 2 of 4 have Ben on them, with only 1 cover story.




Source: http://jezebel.com/this-week-in-tabloids-duchess-kate-is-probably-having-1758325461

cfck formerly commented that strategic leaks were made by TPTB during the season. These leaks intend to support the on-screen narrative or to set the stage for the post-season relationship status of the lead/next lead. I'd venture to guess that the leak to US Weekly was intended to keep audiences engaged since it's likely that Ben+Lauren's connection will be undeniable. Lauren by and large is running away with Ben's heart. At the same time, however, if they did divulge all of this information, including FS behaviors, I'm left to wonder about the state of Lauren and Ben's relationship presently. Yet to be determined.  scratch

When I can read the article and view tonight's episode, things might start making sense. At the moment, I see these leaks more as prep work for JoJo as the next Bette.


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Post by GuardianAngel on Thu Feb 18, 2016 4:15 pm

@Aunties_Love wrote:snipped..epi 7, Lauren and JoJo had individual dates but with Caila, she was on the group one.

FWIW, the F3 person has been on the group date in seasons:

3, 7, 8, 9, 10, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 18, 19

Since I haven't really been following that close, don't know really what you all have been talking about. Hope this helps though??


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Post by GuardianAngel on Sun Feb 28, 2016 8:35 pm

@agentcurls wrote:Just trying to keep track. I understand this is probably futile, but I'm just going with it. Plus, it's nice to look back on it as a reference later. 
Disclaimer: I added quite a bit to the Lauren side. Plus, Lauren's side is a little more post-show clue heavy and JoJo's is more edit heavy. 
I tried to recall and document what other's have told me to subtract/add. Please let me know if there is more. 

Lauren F1:
Spoiler
Undeniable attraction & bond
Special 1-on-1 time to walk thru Mex City
Photo of their first interaction at mansion
Ben wowed upon first glance out of limo "she takes my breath away"
Blindside references (JoJo, Becca, Ben) 
Family seems happy/excited
Mollie's Snapchat about Lauren's US Weekly cover
Friends of Ben's and youth center following her SM & she follows them
Possible Twitter clues ("fixer upper" references, L's Piglet one-sie to Ben's Pooh Bear, various food pics, sushi post, country music post)
Her quieter SM activity, sans promos (low-key F1 behavior)
Ben's trips to LA
JoJo's lack of travel to LA
Other contestants commented on their obvious connection
Not much is said about Lauren in Ben's ITMs (would give too much away?) 
Personal invitation to 1-on-1 in Indiana & in his everyday element, met his friends
JoJo being more guarded, the relationship never catches up
JoJo's busy SM activity (maybe preparing for next step post-Ben?)
Is JoJo going through motions/scripting to get 'Ette role? 
Us Weekly story (Usually some grains of truth?)
Lauren is emo in ITMs (peredit, in line typical F1)
ILY-gate put out early in season
TPTB have held back in previews LauBen confessions for a later time to possibly get max impact 
Ben shown saying an emotional ILY to L in preview
Season preview: "What we have is real (hugs Caila) and scary (w.fall jump with JoJo) and amazing (kisses Amanda in hot tub) and just (kisses Lauren H.) incredible (kisses Caila FD NP) No Lauren B. in sight
Season preview: no LB profession of feelings or love in person; but one JoJo confession in person
Ben's speechless, tearful breakdown with Mollie when she expressed some skepticism
Ben's talk of getting down on one knee to L's father, looking emo
Lauren traveled back to LA from Portland the same day Ben flew in (for taping of WTA)
Lauren's "girlfriend" & "wife" references
THE LOOKS, Ben can't put his feelings for L into words it seems
JoJo's strange/hostile HTD (staged?)(the point of whom no one would return?)
JoJo's ex (questions looming: is she over him?)
Ben might've liked one of L's IG pics by mistake, then quickly unliked
Disney Tinkerbell dust promo with Lauren (from night one) getting "the last rose"  (subliminal messaging?)
Order of filming HTD & FDs; both of Lauren's were filmed last (F1)
Lauren got the best choice/biggest/more luxurious FS out of F3
FD seems hand-picked for Lauren, Ben does those "special things" for her
Recent silk green robe IG post (worn throughout season, Jamaica clips)
Is Ben calling Lauren's dad just before FRC? (he didn't solidify asking for her hand during HTD)
CH talking up JoJo (trying to put her more center)

Foiler/upset:
Would Ben take JoJo all the way to F2 just to dump her after he promised her he wouldn't blindside her? (he let Becca go early after she told him the same)
Spoiled F1 front and center (not as hidden as previous F1s) for majority of season
Spoiler put out quite early in season
Blinding viewers w/LauBen in edit post-spoiler so other relationships go under the radar? 
Foiler was overturned by SnapchatGate last season, when will another foiler strike?
Possible intense, but quick flame vs. slow burn edit
JoJo's edit - narrating a lot; camera pans to her often for her reactions: jealousy, sadness, happiness 
JoJo's edit - the supportive/nurturing/dependable figure...Ben's VO "she makes me a better man" (is this about JoJo? He did say she makes him feel better himself)
Doubts/fears expressed by JoJo, a more dynamic character arc and challenge to overcome
Curious you tube channel dedicated to Lauren: "xBushnellBachelorettex"
MF's comment about this season being his 2nd fave after Jolly's, why? 
"3/4 of a Mesnick" reference, (What IS a Bensnick exactly? Is it crying over the rail or something more (no switch though.) ?)
JoJo's less detached SM compared to Lauren (a more positive experience for her?)
JoJo's overwhlemingly positive SM, especially abc posts (would she do that if she was blindsided F2? maybe...)
JoJo's "wife" references
Season preview "It's not often in life that you get the opportunity (FD boat embrace w/Caila) to shake things up (LauBen kiss on FD beach). I want to come out of this a better man for my wife" (BenJo fireworks kiss)
Lauren's edit: Will imperfect Ben be ok with Lauren? She admitted she was very picky to Ben. Dad also pointed it out. She seems pretty concerned about how Ben sees her. Why didn't she brush off the Leah stuff? Why wasn't she more confident? Could it be b/c someone called her out on being less than perfect. I see a theme here.  Does she really love Ben, the boy-next-door from Warsaw or is she trying to convince herself? Is it bubble-love? Ben saying mid-way thru he didn't have to question who Lauren was anymore (so maybe he was questioning it?) vs. JoJo, who he is already so comfortable w/ and whom he can be himself with. Is her doubt/challenge believable given how Ben looks at her, does special things for her that he hasn't done for others, etc? I'm not really buying it.)
With so many "blindside" references, does this maybe imply the general audience/majority will be? 
JoJo's Twitter post: Wrigley field pic of her & Ben with caption: "Thank you for making it memorable for US", quickly changed to "me"
JoJo's VO "I will be nervous until he gets down on one knee"

ALL of the above, JMO. ^^^^^


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Post by GuardianAngel on Tue Mar 01, 2016 9:44 pm

Here is the viewer exit order.


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First to arrive is Lauren the flight attendant. She gives Ben wings. Second is Caila the software sales rep, who gets Ben to catch her.

3. Jennifer, 25, Small Business Owner from Ft. Lauderdale, FL.
4. Jami, 23, Bartender from St. Albert, Alberta, Canada. She knows Kaitlyn.
5. Samantha the attorney. She just found out that she passed the bar exam.
6. Jubilee the war veteran. She says she had a couple pick-up lines for him but forgot them all.
7. Amanda the esthetician.
8. Lace, 25, Real Estate Agent from Denver, CO. She kisses him because she wanted the first kiss.
9. Lauren R, 26, Math Teacher from Houston, TX. She’s stalked Ben online for the last few months. Creeeeper.
10. Shushanna, 27, Mathematician from Salt Lake City, UT. She speaks only Spanish to Ben. He has no idea what she’s saying.
11. Leah, 25, Event Planner from Denver, CO.
12. Joelle “Jojo”, 24, Real Estate Developer from Dallas, TX. She exits the limo wearing a unicorn head. Is that Elan Gale’s? (One of the producers.)
13. Lauren H, 25, Kindergarten Teacher from Ann Arbor, MI. Is this the third Lauren? She brought Ben a bouquet that she got at a wedding last weekend.
14. Laura, 24, Account Executive from Louisville, KY. Her friends call her Red Velvet.
15. Mandi the dentist. She’s wearing a giant flower on her head. “Maybe we can talk later and you can polinate it.” I think I just took her off my list.
16 & 17. Haley & Emily, 22, Twins from Las Vegas, NV. They’re so annoying. “We never date the same guy, so you’re the exception.”
18. Meagan, 30, Cowgirl from Weatherford, TX. She’s walking up with a little horse. I don’t think this one is gonna last long.
19. Breanne, 30, Nutritional Therapist from Seattle, WA. She brought a picnic. “I don’t eat any gluten.” She’s breaking breadsticks on rocks. Seriously.
20. Isabel “Izzy”, 24, Graphic Designer from Brandford, CT. She’s wearing a onesie. “I had to find out if you were the onesie for me.” Wow.
21. Rachel, 23, Unemployed from Little Rock, AR. She’s riding in on a … handlebar-less electric scooter thing?
22. Jessica, 23, Accountant from Boca Raton, FL. “I’m so happy it’s you.”
23. Tiara the chicken enthusiast.
24. Lauren “LB”, 23, Fashion Buyer from Stillwater, OK.
25. Jackie, 23, Cerontologist from San Francisco, CA.
26. Olivia, 23, News Anchor from Austin, TX.


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