Re: Bachelor - Bachelorette - Statistics - NO Discussion - *Sleuthing - Spoilers*

by Aunties_Love Thu Mar 03, 2016 12:11 am

Aunties_Love wrote:I know in the past this meant something and thought I'd bring it forward in case it is wanted now.

fantasy suite prices

Lauren: had the Villa Plantana @ 1,058.00 pp/pn - sleuthed out as correct location pics match show

Jojo: had the Romeo/Juliet Villa(per sign on door) at Ochi, Ocho Rios next door to Royal Plantation @ 465.00 pp/pn

Caila: had the Prime Minister at Plantation @ 672.00 pp/pn - sleuthed out as the correct location

by agentcurls Wed Mar 16, 2016 8:06 pm

GuardianAngel wrote:
agentcurls wrote:Just trying to keep track. I understand this is probably futile, but I'm just going with it. Plus, it's nice to look back on it as a reference later.
Disclaimer: I added quite a bit to the Lauren side. Plus, Lauren's side is a little more post-show clue heavy and JoJo's is more edit heavy.
I tried to recall and document what other's have told me to subtract/add. Please let me know if there is more.

Lauren F1:
Spoiler
Undeniable attraction & bond
Special 1-on-1 time to walk thru Mex City
Photo of their first interaction at mansion
Ben wowed upon first glance out of limo "she takes my breath away"
Blindside references (JoJo, Becca, Ben)
Family seems happy/excited
Mollie's Snapchat about Lauren's US Weekly cover
Friends of Ben's and youth center following her SM & she follows them
Possible Twitter clues ("fixer upper" references, L's Piglet one-sie to Ben's Pooh Bear, various food pics, sushi post, country music post)
Her quieter SM activity, sans promos (low-key F1 behavior)
Ben's trips to LA
JoJo's lack of travel to LA
Other contestants commented on their obvious connection
Not much is said about Lauren in Ben's ITMs (would give too much away?)
Personal invitation to 1-on-1 in Indiana & in his everyday element, met his friends
JoJo being more guarded, the relationship never catches up
JoJo's busy SM activity (maybe preparing for next step post-Ben?)
Is JoJo going through motions/scripting to get 'Ette role?
Us Weekly story (Usually some grains of truth?)
Lauren is emo in ITMs (peredit, in line typical F1)
ILY-gate put out early in season
TPTB have held back in previews LauBen confessions for a later time to possibly get max impact
Ben shown saying an emotional ILY to L in preview
Season preview: "What we have is real (hugs Caila) and scary (w.fall jump with JoJo) and amazing (kisses Amanda in hot tub) and just (kisses Lauren H.) incredible (kisses Caila FD NP) No Lauren B. in sight
Season preview: no LB profession of feelings or love in person; but one JoJo confession in person
Ben's speechless, tearful breakdown with Mollie when she expressed some skepticism
Ben's talk of getting down on one knee to L's father, looking emo
Lauren traveled back to LA from Portland the same day Ben flew in (for taping of WTA)
Lauren's "girlfriend" & "wife" references
THE LOOKS, Ben can't put his feelings for L into words it seems
JoJo's strange/hostile HTD (staged?)(the point of whom no one would return?)
JoJo's ex (questions looming: is she over him?)
Ben might've liked one of L's IG pics by mistake, then quickly unliked
Disney Tinkerbell dust promo with Lauren (from night one) getting "the last rose" (subliminal messaging?)
Order of filming HTD & FDs; both of Lauren's were filmed last (F1)
Lauren got the best choice/biggest/more luxurious FS out of F3
FD seems hand-picked for Lauren, Ben does those "special things" for her
Recent silk green robe IG post (worn throughout season, Jamaica clips)
Is Ben calling Lauren's dad just before FRC? (he didn't solidify asking for her hand during HTD)
CH talking up JoJo (trying to put her more center)

Foiler/upset:
Would Ben take JoJo all the way to F2 just to dump her after he promised her he wouldn't blindside her? (he let Becca go early after she told him the same)
Spoiled F1 front and center (not as hidden as previous F1s) for majority of season
Spoiler put out quite early in season
Blinding viewers w/LauBen in edit post-spoiler so other relationships go under the radar?
Foiler was overturned by SnapchatGate last season, when will another foiler strike?
Possible intense, but quick flame vs. slow burn edit
JoJo's edit - narrating a lot; camera pans to her often for her reactions: jealousy, sadness, happiness
JoJo's edit - the supportive/nurturing/dependable figure...Ben's VO "she makes me a better man" (is this about JoJo? He did say she makes him feel better himself)
Doubts/fears expressed by JoJo, a more dynamic character arc and challenge to overcome
~~Curious you tube channel dedicated to Lauren: "xBushnellBachelorettex"~~
MF's comment about this season being his 2nd fave after Jolly's, why?
~~"3/4 of a Mesnick" reference~~, (What IS a Bensnick exactly? Is it crying over the rail or something more (no switch though.) ?)
JoJo's less detached SM compared to Lauren (a more positive experience for her?)
JoJo's overwhlemingly positive SM, especially abc posts (would she do that if she was blindsided F2? maybe...)
JoJo's "wife" references
Season preview "It's not often in life that you get the opportunity (FD boat embrace w/Caila) to shake things up (LauBen kiss on FD beach). I want to come out of this a better man for my wife" (BenJo fireworks kiss)
Lauren's edit: Will imperfect Ben be ok with Lauren? She admitted she was very picky to Ben. Dad also pointed it out. ~~She seems pretty concerned about how Ben sees her.~~ ~~Why didn't she brush off the Leah stuff? Why wasn't she more confident? Could it be b/c someone called her out on being less than perfect. I see a theme here.~~ Does she really love Ben, the boy-next-door from Warsaw or is she trying to convince herself? Is it bubble-love? Ben saying mid-way thru he didn't have to question who Lauren was anymore (so maybe he was questioning it?) vs. JoJo, who he is already so comfortable w/ and whom he can be himself with. Is her doubt/challenge believable given how Ben looks at her, does special things for her that he hasn't done for others, etc? I'm not really buying it.)
With so many "blindside" references, does this maybe imply the general audience/majority will be?
JoJo's Twitter post: Wrigley field pic of her & Ben with caption: "Thank you for making it memorable for US", quickly changed to "me"
JoJo's VO "I will be nervous until he gets down on one knee"

ALL of the above, JMO. ^^^^^

Other observations to add:

Lauren F1:
Preview showed a family member preferred other contestant
Lead told F2 about his feelings towards F1. Did not tell F1 about their feelings for F2
F1 looked insecure leading up to FRC
F1 came later in the afternoon to FRC podium
Media net pics showed F1 arrived later than F2
SC of F2 in the limo being sent home
F1 was the answer to Lead's love obstacle
F1 didn't actively watch airing of the show
TPTB manufactured another contestant to try and throw a wrench in F1/Lead's relationship so the rest of the season wasn't too obvious
TPTB manufactured obstacles for Lead/F2's relationship to bring them closer so they would save the season and give F2 more equal footing with F1
several contestants thought Lauren was F1 at WTA (Amanda (hung out with Lauren post-show) & Olivia (had run into JoJo) in particular)
Elan posted romantic pics of Lead/F1
LCD filmed last

Foiler/upset:
Spoiled F2 got multiple ILYs from lead
"Best friend" references
F2 looked insecure leading up to FRC (most look too confident)
F2 arrived in LA a week before ATFR
no safe house pic emerged of Lead and spoiled F1
F2 was also the answer to Lead's love obstacle
Spoiled F2's MTP filmed last
Lead withdrawn from F1 during LCD (guilt?)

(IMOs^)

Anything else?

by **GuardianAngel** Mon Mar 28, 2016 9:35 pm

Aunties_Love wrote:
Ash2214 wrote:I did some quick digging and I just wanted to note somewhere that in the last few Bachelorette seasons, Jef, Chris Siegfried, Josh and Shawn all had their first 1-on-1 on episode five I believe. I'm not sure if that's a quincidence or not, but it might be interesting to note who gets a 1-on-1 next week for episode five.

Things can always change though and her F1 could have already had their first 1-on-1.
Yep to the bolded. According to past stats, this is when they switch things up. They only seem to let it go about 4 seasons, then they switch up the order...what I mean by that, is when a lead is more interested in someone than the others, they likely put that person on a certain date. Now in the past as it has been in Ben's season, the 3rd epi has had the F1. Now with Jojo, she was F2 and had her ID in epi 4. Could her F1 be the same??

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by Aunties_Love Sun Apr 10, 2016 7:43 am

Bachelorette F1 first individual date stats

S1 E3
S2 E3
S3 E4 F2 E3
S4 E4 F2 E3
S5 E3
S6 E3
S7 E3
S8 E5 F2 E3
S9 E5 had rose and special time in epi 3 on gr date
S10 E5 Had rose and special time in epi 3 on gr date
S11 E5 Had rose and special time in epi 3 gr date

by **GuardianAngel** Sun May 01, 2016 11:17 am

Aunties_Love wrote:
Ash2214 wrote:Just out of curiosity, does anyone know how often the F1 has gotten the last FD? Not while it airs on television, but during actual filming? Just off the top of my head in recent seasons I know that Lauren and Josh both got the last one.
HTD order

Filming order is the last number

bette 10

F1: 3rd
F2: 1st
F3: 2nd
F4: 4th

bette 8

F1: 2nd
F2: 3rd
F3: 4th
F4: 1st

bette 7

F1: 3rd
F2: 1st
F3: 2nd
F4: 4th

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Bachelor:

10:
F1: 3rd
F2: 1st
F3: 2nd
F4: 4th

11:

F1: 2nd
F2: 3rd
F3: 4th
F4: 1st

15

F1: 2nd
F3: 4th

by Aunties_Love Sun May 01, 2016 4:47 pm

GuardianAngel wrote:
Aunties_Love wrote:
Ash2214 wrote:Just out of curiosity, does anyone know how often the F1 has gotten the last FD? Not while it airs on television, but during actual filming? Just off the top of my head in recent seasons I know that Lauren and Josh both got the last one.
HTD order

Filming order is the last number

bette 10

F1: 3rd
F2: 1st
F3: 2nd
F4: 4th

bette 8

F1: 2nd
F2: 3rd
F3: 4th
F4: 1st

bette 7

F1: 3rd
F2: 1st
F3: 2nd
F4: 4th

===========================================

Bachelor:

10:
F1: 3rd
F2: 1st
F3: 2nd
F4: 4th

11:

F1: 2nd
F2: 3rd
F3: 4th
F4: 1st

15

F1: 2nd
F3: 4th

=====================================================================

CORRECTED LIST:

HTD order

bette 6

F1: 1st
F2: 2nd

bette 7

F1: 3rd
F2: 1st
F3: 2nd
F4: 4th

bette 8

F1: 2nd
F2: 3rd
F3: 4th
F4: 1st

bette 9

F1: 3rd
F2: 1st
F3: 4th
F4: 2nd

bette 10

F1: 3rd
F2: 1st
F3: 2nd
F4: 4th

========================================

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Bachelor:

10:
F1: 3rd
F2: 1st
F3: 2nd
F4: 4th

11:

F1: 2nd
F2: 3rd
F3: 4th
F4: 1st

15

F1: 2nd
F3: 4th

17

F1: 2nd
F2: 3rd
F3: 1st
F4: 4th

18

F1: 2nd
F2: 1st
F3: 3rd
F4: 4th

19

F1: Whitney/ Chris's birthday
F2: 2nd
F3: 3rd
F4: 4th

by Aunties_Love Fri May 13, 2016 6:13 am

ARRIVAL ORDER:
no times on the pics so don't have that extra backup that we use to have

1)Grant .4063
2)Derek 4127
3)Nick S 4184
4)Alex 4283
5)James T 4402
6)Brandon 4481
7)Ali 4558
8)James S 4632
9)James F 4690
10)Wells 4763
11)Pete 4993
12)Jon 5167
13)Daniel 5222
14)Chad 5312
15)Christian 5411
16)Chase 5727
17)Evan .5784
18)Jake 5836
19)Sal 5981
20)Nick B 6186
21)Jordan 6376
22)Wil 6443
23)Coley 6512
24)Vincent 6609
25)Robby 6697
26)Luke .6840

by Aunties_Love Sat May 14, 2016 10:03 pm

PRE-VIEW VIDEO STATS:

Bette:

6: no
7: yes
8: yes
9: no
10: no
11: no
++++++++++++++++++++

Bach:

11: yes
12: no
13: yes/Melissa: no/Molly
14: yes
15: yes
16: yes
17: no
18: yes
19: no
20: yes

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Epi 4 stats:

people starting epi 4:

Bette:

5: 13
6: 11
7: 12
8: 13
9: 13
10: 13
11: 14

Bach:

15: 14
16: 13
17: 13
18: 13
19: 15
20: 14

by Aunties_Love Mon May 16, 2016 10:28 pm

Premiere night private time with lead

BETTE:

3: all F4 had pt time
4: 1,2,4 had pt time
5: 1,2 had pt time
6: 1,2,3,4 all had pt time
7: 1,2 had pt time
8: all F4 had pt time
9: 2,3,4 had pt time
10: all F4 had pt time
11: 1,3 had pt time( F2 joined show in epi 4)

**** THIS MAY BE ANOTHER DES SEASON DUE TO HOW IT IS ALL JORDAN AS IT

WAS AN ALL BROOKS SEASON WITH DES.

BACH:

3: 2,3,4 had pt time
4: 1,2,3 had pt time
5: 1,3,4 had pt time
6: 2,3 had pt time(Mary joined season in epi 3

7,8,9,10 NO STATS

11: 1,3,4 had pt time
12: 1,3 had pt time
13: 2,3 had pt time
14: 1,2,4
15: all F4 had pt time
16: 1,2,3 had pt time
17: 2,4 had pt time
18: all F4 had pt time
19: 1,3,4 had pt time
20: 1,2,3 had pt time

by Aunties_Love Wed May 18, 2016 2:59 am

SHOWN/EDITED LIMO ORDER FOR F1 VERSUS REAL TIME ORDER

BETTE:

1: 9
2: 25
3: 25
4: 8
5: came in as late arrival
6: 11
7: 21
8: 11
9: 16 / des's season
10: 25
11: 18

BACH:

2: 4
3: 24
4: 17
5: 1
6: Mary joined in epi 3
7: 19 / Charlie season, girls were brought into room with Charlie there
8: 16
9/10: NO STATS
11:
12: 15
13: Melissa 3/ Molly 16
14: 11
15: 28
16: 6
17: 10
18: 5
19: 2
20: 1

by Aunties_Love Fri May 27, 2016 6:11 am

F1 who had No Dates in epi 2 in the longer seasons

BETTE:
5: yes
6: no
7: no
8: yes
9: no
10: yes
11: no

BACH:

15: yes
16: yes
17: yes
18: yes
19: no
20: no

by **GuardianAngel** Wed Jul 13, 2016 10:19 pm

GuardianAngel wrote:
MiniDiva wrote:This is from the Promo Video GA posted upthread. We have the guys lined up for the RC, JoJo about to give her first rose, Luke asks JoJo if he can talk to her for a sec, and JoJo's reaction to the question. (Assuming it is in sequence).

Is Luke standing in the F4 position based on previous F4 RC or does he appear to be in the F2 position?

Source

abc7.com

dailymail.co.uk

tvfanatic.com

I can't find Des' season.