THE BACHELORETTE - SEASON 12 - JOJO FLETCHER - **NO SPOILERS** - SCaps - *SLEUTHING* DISCUSSION

MiaHawk wrote:SC Part 3...

#9  Jojo Face with hair in mouth, teary eyed. Blue shoulder only, indentation pattern on shoulder and top of sleeve, seam about 3/4 of the way on back of sleeve, no male hands visible.
     Mouth moving: "I fell in love with you"
     ---solid grey background
(I think this is Jordan at 1st FRC in Thailand, possibly filmed on the grassy area near palm trees and statues)



#10 Jojo NO face, close up of waste line only. Bottom of man's blue sleeve with buttons, male hands are visible. She holds man's hands and kind of bounces them.
     VO: "and I"m still in love with you"
     ---waste line on dress appears pleated all the way around
     ---hairy male hand (thought to be Robby)
     ---finger shape somewhat visible (thought to be Robby)
     ---red dot visible on outside of Jojo's Right wrist
     ---rose table visible in background appears to have no fabric doo-dad
     ---rose has a green rose hip pointing upward
(I'm think this is Robby at 1st FRC in Thailand based on hairy hands and finger shape and because the rose table has no visible doo-dad)

Original with JoJo/thumb in focus, then lightened.





Original with table rose in focus, then lightened.





#11  Jojo Face. Blue shoulder only, no hands, seam about 3/4 way back on sleeve
      Mouth moving: "but what you did to me"
(I think this is Jordan at 1st FRC at Thailand)

Original cap, then lightened.





#12 Jojo NO Face, close up of waste line. Blue sleeve only, buttons, no male hands visible.
     VO: "is not right"
( I think this is Robby at 1st FRC at Thailand)

Original cap, then lightened. What's the green stuff?





#13 Jojo No face, runs her hand up the same (as #12) man's blue sleeve, can see crease down the center of back of sleeve, but no seam.
     VO: "but I want you to know"
     ---waste line appears pleated all the way around
     ---red mark on outside of Jojo's Right wrist
     ---brown mark on Jojo's Right arm above the elbow
     ---mark on inside of Jojo's Left wrist
( I think based on the physical marks on Jojo's arms that this goes with #10, and I think #10 is Robby based on the visible hands. Guessing 1st FRC in Thailand)

Original cap, then lightened; followed by a continuing cap, then lightened..



Less pleats on butt side?

#14 Jojo's Face only, but her mouth is NOT visible because it is blocked by blue shoulder. Blue shoulder only, indentation pattern, no male hands visible.
    VO: "it's really hard for me"
( I think this is Jordan at 1st FRC at Thailand)

Original cap, then lightened.





#15 Jojo NO face, close up of waste line and hands. Man's hands visible.
    VO: "not to accept"
    ---waste line on dress appears to have full pleat all the way around
    ---hands appear hairy and to have thumbs like Robby
    ---red mark on Jojo's Right wrist
    ---rose table with no doo-dad
(Robby at 1st FRC at Thailand)

A couple caps -- originals then followed by lightened versions.



Why the green above JoJo and hand?????  :con1:







#16 Jojo's Face, teary eyed, hair in mouth. Blue Shoulder only, indentation pattern.
     Mouth moving: "this love"
(Jordan 1st FRC at Thailand)

Original cap, then lightened.




   

Litta123 wrote:
A couple caps -- originals then followed by lightened versions.



Why the green above JoJo and hand?????  :con1:

MiaHawk wrote:Thank you Litta for posting all of those SCs.

Questions I'd like answered:

1) What is the green color in 10, 12, and 15 above hands?  I don't think it's ocean, because then I think we'd see it in more of the background.

My only other thought was that it could be from a plant at the FRC, but honestly, it doesn't make sense to only see it above their hands.

2) There is one moment when the man's Right thumb and nail is visible for a split second. I don't see it in 10 or 15, but IIRC it's during that clip. I am thinking it is 10 at the very end of when she is running her hand on his arm. The thumb I saw in video really looked more like Robby. I'm wondering if you could try to capture it in a SC? I'll try.

3) What is the vertical white blur in 14? I think it is palm tree trunk from the grassy area, but don't know for sure. Could be. I thought tree also.

4) In 15, I am not completely convinced that all 4 SC are of the same man, because the curve of the jacket is the same in 1st and 2nd SC (2 diff versions of the same SC, orig and lightened) and slightly diff in 3rd and 4th SC (2 diff versions of the same SC, orig and lightened). I'm not sure if when you captured the SCs you could be sure that it was all one scene? Yes, absolutely the same scene, mere moments apart. I remade to the caps based on your descriptions.The curve on the jacket might not be anything.

5) In 15, in the 1st and 2nd SC (2 diff versions of the same SC), it almost looks like the man is putting a bracelet onto Jojo's Left wrist. Look at the position of her hand, palm up, fingers curled upward. We only see the man's Left hand. Is the man's Right hand behind her Left hand as he fixes the bracelet on her wrist? I'll need to look again. I thought the guy was pulling away.

Litta123 wrote:

MiaHawk wrote:Thank you Litta for posting all of those SCs.

Questions I'd like answered:

1) What is the green color in 10, 12, and 15 above hands?  I don't think it's ocean, because then I think we'd see it in more of the background.

My only other thought was that it could be from a plant at the FRC, but honestly, it doesn't make sense to only see it above their hands.

If you look at wood platform there is no plant located behind the rose table. There's not even anything green behind the table. That is why I originally thought this all took place on the grassy area because there they have palm tree branches behind them

2) There is one moment when the man's Right thumb and nail is visible for a split second. I don't see it in 10 or 15, but IIRC it's during that clip. I am thinking it is 10 at the very end of when she is running her hand on his arm. The thumb I saw in video really looked more like Robby. I'm wondering if you could try to capture it in a SC?  I'll try. TY

3) What is the vertical white blur in 14? I think it is palm tree trunk from the grassy area, but don't know for sure. Could be. I thought tree also.
I really think it is the same palm tree that is to the left on the grassy knoll. It is in the location that would be behind Jojo.

4) In 15, I am not completely convinced that all 4 SC are of the same man, because the curve of the jacket is the same in 1st and 2nd SC (2 diff versions of the same SC, orig and lightened) and slightly diff in 3rd and 4th SC (2 diff versions of the same SC, orig and lightened). I'm not sure if when you captured the SCs you could be sure that it was all one scene?  Yes, absolutely the same scene, mere moments apart. I remade to the caps based on your descriptions.Ok, good, same man for sure. If you look at man's left hand, there is a vein shaped like a Y that goes toward the 2nd knuckle on hand. If you look at SC 7 of Jordan & ringbox, you will see that JOrdan has a Y shaped vein but it is toward his 3rd knuckle. I do not think it 15 hand is a match with 7 hand. I'm going to go hunt down views of Robby's left hand. You can see Robby's left hand in the pool table scene, but it is kind of at a distance. I should be able to find a better one, like in the truth or dare clip.The curve on the jacket might not be anything.

5) In 15, in the 1st and 2nd SC (2 diff versions of the same SC), it almost looks like the man is putting a bracelet onto Jojo's Left wrist. Look at the position of her hand, palm up, fingers curled upward. We only see the man's Left hand. Is the man's Right hand behind her Left hand as he fixes the bracelet on her wrist? I'll need to look again. I thought the guy was pulling away.

I don't think he is pulling away. I think he goes from fixing bracelet onto her left wrist to a 2-handed hand holding. One hand transitioning into 2 hands held.