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Post by AllAboutLove on Fri Jun 30, 2017 6:14 pm

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@loveisallweneed wrote:Until Peter takes Bryan's place as "too good to be true," in the next few episodes, I will be surprised if she is not engaged to Bryan. In this interview, she uses those exact words - found my "too good ..."
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Not only does Rach say she found her "too good to be true" but right afterwards she says and "my best friend."

F1 = "Too good to be true"
- so far the only two people on this show who have talked about each other being "too good to be true" are Rach and Bryan
- Bryan and Rach both told each other that they think the other is too good to be true on Bryan's 1on1 date in Ep 5 (which, to me is still the predictable F1 date going by recent Bette seasons)
- official Bette Twitter posted video of Rach and Bryan's date with "Too good to be true? Maybe it's just a perfect match."

F1 = "Best friend"
- so far the only two people who have talked about "best friend" are Rach and Bryan
- Rach not only talked about best friend in this interview but also stated so on her IG pic when she got back from filming
- Bryan on the show in Ep 5 said he not only can see Rachel as his best friend but his best friend for a lifetime and the official Bette Twitter account specifically tweeted that statement by Bryan
ETA: Regarding "Best friend" and "Too good to be true" tweets by the official Bette account



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Post by GuardianAngel on Sun Jul 02, 2017 4:13 pm

@sdmom wrote:I am not here to dash Peter's fans hope he's F1 or try to argue "I am right you are wrong". But years of reading this board and others, I learn to take a grain of salt when a sighting occurs but no picture. So I want to re-examine the Janesville sighting, and try to be as objective as possible.
So the sighting occurs on Tuesday, however, I found her trainer posted an IG story on Tuesday:

http://www.bachandbachettefans.net/t4301p516-bachelorette-13-rachel-lindsay-episode-5-6-june-26-27-sleuthing-spoilers-2#1192795

If you search her trainer's IG, it seems she spent most of the days with him this week
His IG https://www.instagram.com/d.robalwaysopen/
Some examples:
6 days ago: https://www.instagram.com/p/BVyQt0jA-h8/?taken-by=d.robalwaysopen
caption: Me and my A-1 since Day 1 got it in today! "
4 days ago: https://www.instagram.com/p/BV2xaIsALOw/?taken-by=d.robalwaysopen
caption: Me & my Ace @therachlindsay aka @bacheloretteabc "Back in the lab today
3 days ago: https://www.instagram.com/p/BV7hdTtAGSz/?taken-by=d.robalwaysopen
caption: I was lucky enough to shoot a fitness session and spend some time on Tuesday for the incredible current #Bachelorette Rachel Lindsay.

Then Friday, 2 days ago,  she was spotted in Dallas
https://www.instagram.com/p/BV-RCqkFRwY/

So how can she travel from Dallas to Wisconsin then back to Dallas again in such a short frame?

I believe Peter was spotted with fans many times this past week. I will have a very hard time to believe in SHV, Rachel would be hid inside a house and Peter was free to go as he pleases.

We also know from Peter's IG story that he's at home Friday and Saturday.

I would love to be proved wrong. Please show me some picture proofs, thanks!
ALL JMO.
PS. I don't believe her train is part of Peter F1 conspiracy to post  old pictures to throw people off. Sorry, it's just me.


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Post by Ladybug82 on Wed Jul 05, 2017 8:26 pm

@bluejay25 wrote:Was this noted yet? Rachel was tagged on a flight from LAX. Looking at the poster's IG story, I think the poster is now flying from Dallas to Columbia.

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Post by coolangel on Thu Jul 06, 2017 4:18 pm

Bringing over some of my sleuthing done in PMs from May 17-21. Sorry that some of it might be a repeat. I am too lazy to edit it now.  laugh out loud  laugh out loud

May 17:
I was browsing Peter's IG and came across his BFF of 10 years - Mikka Nordby.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BL4vEa7Awgg/?taken-by=peterkrauswi

https://www.instagram.com/mikkanordby/

Mikka seems to be a huge bachelor fan and follows many former contestants including Nick, Vanessa and Raven. The one contestant she doesn't follow is Rachel.  question  I find it highly suspicious if Peter is indeed the F1. She even started following Eric and Bryan in the last 2 days. I think she must have unfollowed Rachel recently. UPDATE: Mikka started following Rachel almost a week later on May 23/24.

I did mention this earlier in the forum but RS has has not given out the F1 spoiler without the F4 breakdown in the last 4 years. The fact that he just gave out Peter's name today and doesn't seem to know the elimination order for F3 is also suspicious IMO. I think TPTB could have fed him the foiler esp. if they saw that people hadn't warmed up to Bryan online (I saw a lot of comments on twitter/IG about people not being interested/disappointed in the season if she picked him) and they were worried about the ratings. Now with fan-favorite Peter being the spoiled F1, everyone is excited for the season. I think the potential for a foiler is high this season.

I definitely think that Peter is TPTB's Bachelor pick and honestly IMO the amount of interest he has generated pre-season is insane and TPTB had a hand in it - The Ellen date and the extremely public HTD. They knew people would talk and it would generate interest in her season. Now spoil him as the F1 and bingo! You have a lot more people tuning in.

There was also something Millsy spoke about during Julia's last podcast with Nick about how some seasons the next Bachelor is a slam-dunk right out of the gate and then how the fans write the season. I feel like he was almost talking about this season with the way things have panned out online since the Ellen date.

Also, I noticed Bryan tagged Rachel in the caption for his Bio pic. For someone who doesn't like being second place as evidenced by his sloppy seconds comment  laugh out loud , isn't it weird that he is happily tagging Rachel after being dumped by her - most likely after proposing at F2?

https://www.instagram.com/p/BUNfuvdl2EM/?taken-by=dr.abs_


May 21:
I still think it's a foiler season and Bryan is the F1 with Peter being the next Bachelor. There are quite a few things which I found interesting:

1. Peter's BFF of 10 years does not follow Rachel on IG even though she follows over half of Bach Nation including Nick, Vanessa, Raven and even Bryan and Eric. laugh out loud
https://www.instagram.com/p/BL4vEa7Awgg/?taken-by=peterkrauswi
https://www.instagram.com/mikkanordby/
She seems to be a huge Bach Nation fan so IMO she must have unfollowed Rachel recently. UPDATE: Mikka started following Rachel almost a week later on May 23/24.

Compare that to Bryan's BFF of 15 years who nominated him who doesn't follow anyone else from Bach Nation but follows Rachel. Weird isn't it if Rachel recently dumped her friend?
https://www.instagram.com/p/BUSZ8BJjCVx/?taken-by=dr.abs_
https://www.instagram.com/pauldine/

2. Bryan was the last to surface on SM and broke his SM silence a few hours after the RS spoiler that Peter is F1. Many people are speculating that Bryan is too active on SM compared to past F1's but IMO a major point to be taken into account is that all the past F1's were also the spoiled F1's.

3. There were lots of posts on SM (some even on the board) that they might not be that invested in the season if Bryan wins. I think TPTB might have been aware of that and concerned for the ratings esp. since it's uncharted territory anyways with a diverse lead.

4. This is the first time in 4 years that RS hasn't release the F4 breakdown when he spoiled the F1. I think he doesn't know much and was fed the foiler that Peter is the F1 to generate interest in the season by having Rachel end up with a universally liked guy like Peter. Note that this is the first season since Mesnick that TPTB have allowed the lead to confirm an engagement even before the season premiere.

5. There are many who believe that TPTB would not manipulate/foil Rachel's season fearing backlash. I disagree coz IMO right off the bat, TPTB have presented most of Rachel's guys as a sleazy bunch through their Bios even though there was no need to do it. There is just so much weirdness this season so far IMO that I would honestly be surprised if it wasn't a foiler season with heavy manipulation on TPTB's end to ensure viewer interest.

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Post by GuardianAngel on Thu Jul 06, 2017 5:00 pm

@coolangel clapping! Great stuff. This is information that members should not have any hesitancy sharing on the forum for fear of being unpopular.  

I'll add my contribution as to why I didn't think Peter was the F1.

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@GuardianAngel wrote:Post thoughts on who and why you think would potentially be the next bachelor.

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@AllAboutLove wrote:
@Duke702 wrote:Oh also he's a Wilhelmina model just like Nick, acc to his facebook page.

And also from Wisconsin!

I won't be surprised if Peter is in the running for next lead.  :yes:

That's my opinion as well. Like I said earlier on during the Ellen vid, he sure had a lot of face time.

I will create a speculation thread for the next Bachelor. It will be interesting to see how it pans out compared to our early sleuthing.

The camera was basically on all of them while Ellen was talking. The only time the camera focused on one guy was when he was talking, and another time it focused on the last three guys in line.

This first time was when he introduced himself and the camera lingered for an extra second or two.


Ellen is walking away at this point, he finished talking.










Two separate times the camera panned to both of them, no others got this camera time.




When the guys were dancing, the only one I noticed that had more camera time, with the exception of Peter was Alex and his pants






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Post by philphan on Thu Jul 06, 2017 5:04 pm

@coolangel wrote:Bringing over some of my sleuthing done in PMs from May 17-21. Sorry that some of it might be a repeat. I am too lazy to edit it now.  laugh out loud  laugh out loud

May 17:
I was browsing Peter's IG and came across his BFF of 10 years - Mikka Nordby.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BL4vEa7Awgg/?taken-by=peterkrauswi

https://www.instagram.com/mikkanordby/

Mikka seems to be a huge bachelor fan and follows many former contestants including Nick, Vanessa and Raven. The one contestant she doesn't follow is Rachel.  question  I find it highly suspicious if Peter is indeed the F1. She even started following Eric and Bryan in the last 2 days. I think she must have unfollowed Rachel recently. UPDATE: Mikka started following Rachel almost a week later on May 23/24.

I did mention this earlier in the forum but RS has has not given out the F1 spoiler without the F4 breakdown in the last 4 years. The fact that he just gave out Peter's name today and doesn't seem to know the elimination order for F3 is also suspicious IMO. I think TPTB could have fed him the foiler esp. if they saw that people hadn't warmed up to Bryan online (I saw a lot of comments on twitter/IG about people not being interested/disappointed in the season if she picked him) and they were worried about the ratings. Now with fan-favorite Peter being the spoiled F1, everyone is excited for the season. I think the potential for a foiler is high this season.

I definitely think that Peter is TPTB's Bachelor pick and honestly IMO the amount of interest he has generated pre-season is insane and TPTB had a hand in it - The Ellen date and the extremely public HTD. They knew people would talk and it would generate interest in her season. Now spoil him as the F1 and bingo! You have a lot more people tuning in.

There was also something Millsy spoke about during Julia's last podcast with Nick about how some seasons the next Bachelor is a slam-dunk right out of the gate and then how the fans write the season. I feel like he was almost talking about this season with the way things have panned out online since the Ellen date.

Also, I noticed Bryan tagged Rachel in the caption for his Bio pic. For someone who doesn't like being second place as evidenced by his sloppy seconds comment  laugh out loud , isn't it weird that he is happily tagging Rachel after being dumped by her - most likely after proposing at F2?

https://www.instagram.com/p/BUNfuvdl2EM/?taken-by=dr.abs_


May 21:
I still think it's a foiler season and Bryan is the F1 with Peter being the next Bachelor. There are quite a few things which I found interesting:

1. Peter's BFF of 10 years does not follow Rachel on IG even though she follows over half of Bach Nation including Nick, Vanessa, Raven and even Bryan and Eric. laugh out loud
https://www.instagram.com/p/BL4vEa7Awgg/?taken-by=peterkrauswi
https://www.instagram.com/mikkanordby/
She seems to be a huge Bach Nation fan so IMO she must have unfollowed Rachel recently. UPDATE: Mikka started following Rachel almost a week later on May 23/24.

Compare that to Bryan's BFF of 15 years who nominated him who doesn't follow anyone else from Bach Nation but follows Rachel. Weird isn't it if Rachel recently dumped her friend?
https://www.instagram.com/p/BUSZ8BJjCVx/?taken-by=dr.abs_
https://www.instagram.com/pauldine/

2. Bryan was the last to surface on SM and broke his SM silence a few hours after the RS spoiler that Peter is F1. Many people are speculating that Bryan is too active on SM compared to past F1's but IMO a major point to be taken into account is that all the past F1's were also the spoiled F1's.

3. There were lots of posts on SM (some even on the board) that they might not be that invested in the season if Bryan wins. I think TPTB might have been aware of that and concerned for the ratings esp. since it's uncharted territory anyways with a diverse lead.

4. This is the first time in 4 years that RS hasn't release the F4 breakdown when he spoiled the F1. I think he doesn't know much and was fed the foiler that Peter is the F1 to generate interest in the season by having Rachel end up with a universally liked guy like Peter. Note that this is the first season since Mesnick that TPTB have allowed the lead to confirm an engagement even before the season premiere.

5. There are many who believe that TPTB would not manipulate/foil Rachel's season fearing backlash. I disagree coz IMO right off the bat, TPTB have presented most of Rachel's guys as a sleazy bunch through their Bios even though there was no need to do it. There is just so much weirdness this season so far IMO that I would honestly be surprised if it wasn't a foiler season with heavy manipulation on TPTB's end to ensure viewer interest.

All JMO

Thanks for bringing this over, Coolangel. Great sleuthing!
I see a well orchestrated plan by TPTB. I also had my suspicions when RS didn't have as much info as he did from prior seasons. Not surprising that TPTB would initially leak Peter as the F1. People jumped on the "Peter Train" and it helped build his fan base for the next Bachelor, imo. Also, allowing Rachel to say she was engaged was to boost viewership as well, imo.
The real give away to me was on Bryan's IG when he thanked his BFF for nominating him (a phone call that changed his life!).

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Post by Seabear on Thu Jul 06, 2017 5:27 pm

Thanks @coolangel. Great sleuthing. yes  IMO is was quite clear that Bryan was the F1 while we were doing pre season sleuthing and then when the season began to air the Bryan and Rachel connection was totally undeniable IMO. Regardless of her interest in Peter....IMO it was always Bryan F1 and Peter the next Bachelor. BBF has the best sleuthing/sleuthers and IMO it is one of the things that makes this Forum so wonderful! The very best thing about BBF is @GuardianAngel and the standard she sets and we follow of Respect on this forum. There were some bumps along the way this season and I am thankful for all our members for sleuthing anyway! Yay #teamBBF. group hug
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Post by GuardianAngel on Sun Jul 16, 2017 1:16 pm

@makeover wrote:
@Dessler wrote:I think Rachel is in SHV, just because Astrid, Kristina are in town (LA) and if she could, she would have hung out with them but she hasn't. They don't miss opportunities to see each other esp when they are in the same city.
Kristina was also with producer Natalie and Sarah H. for a charity event. I think if Rachel was still in LA and not in SHV, most likely she would join them.

@makeover wrote:Sorry for double post but I find it hilarious that Peter just posted a pic of him and Rachel together and Rachel just liked a pic of her and Bryan together. giggling


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Post by GuardianAngel on Sun Jul 16, 2017 1:28 pm

@AllAboutLove wrote:Peter posted a pic on his IG with Rach in it (her face barely shown)

And not too much later Rach likes a pic with her and Bryan in it.

Rach is NOT here for Peter's games IMO.

She's over it/him. JMO


@makeover wrote:Rachel has liked quite of few of Dean's posts. She has never liked something Bryan posted but a few of which he is in. And she has never liked anything Peter posted or is in. I guess it's all up to interpretation. For me, it's not about the posts she liked but the TIMING of it this time.


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@sdmom wrote:Bryan's IG story 15 minutes ago

Did he just return home from SHV?


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@sdmom wrote:Hey hey hey, we just discovered #hatgate!

In his HTD, Bryan apparently bought a hat for Rachel.
She wore it in the picture that started #watchgate when I believe she was on her way to July 4th SHV

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