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Post by pbmax on Sat Aug 12, 2017 6:18 pm

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jashfan wrote:https://www.yahoo.com/news/those-think-rachel-settled-bachelorette-183015451.html

A different perspective about the whole Rachel /Bryan/Peter situation. Nice read.

:claphands to this article. This article expresses so much of what I felt throughout the season and why I posted how I was disgusted and appalled at how SM/Media went after Rachel, the first black bachelorette, like she was less deserving of what every. single. other. bachelorette. before her had received. The undertones of that were not lost on me when the only variable was that Rachel was a black bachelorette and SM/media making her out to be some desperate person who should settle for something less than what SHE wanted without being said to be some desperate woman who just wanted a ring and praising the guy who said that it would essentially be a "sacrifice" for him. Sorry but to me just the idea that Rachel's right to have the relationship she wanted in no way shape or form I saw as something for SM/media to lambaste her for. There's no default here when Rachel chooses for herself what type of man and relationship SHE wants for her life.

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IA with your post. Rachel said she would choose someone she couldn't see herself without, this is what she told Bryan and chose him. She could see herself without Peter so the question of settling is answered.
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Post by Seabear on Sat Aug 12, 2017 8:40 pm

pbmax wrote:
AllAboutLove wrote:
jashfan wrote:https://www.yahoo.com/news/those-think-rachel-settled-bachelorette-183015451.html

A different perspective about the whole Rachel /Bryan/Peter situation. Nice read.

:claphands to this article. This article expresses so much of what I felt throughout the season and why I posted how I was disgusted and appalled at how SM/Media went after Rachel, the first black bachelorette, like she was less deserving of what every. single. other. bachelorette. before her had received. The undertones of that were not lost on me when the only variable was that Rachel was a black bachelorette and SM/media making her out to be some desperate person who should settle for something less than what SHE wanted without being said to be some desperate woman who just wanted a ring and praising the guy who said that it would essentially be a "sacrifice" for him. Sorry but to me just the idea that Rachel's right to have the relationship she wanted in no way shape or form I saw as something for SM/media to lambaste her for. There's no default here when Rachel chooses for herself what type of man and relationship SHE wants for her life.

JMO

IA with your post. Rachel said she would choose someone she couldn't see herself without,  this is what she told Bryan and chose him. She could see herself without Peter so the question of settling is answered.

@jashfan Wonderful Article and Spot On IMO.:claphands  
ITA with @AllAboutLove and @pbmax on your comments too. :claphands :claphands

I have been disturbed with how this season was presented by TPTB and how it was received by the viewers. Rachel was a very good Bachelorette and an excellent representative for all women IMO. One thing I find very disappointing is that we finally had a wonderfully diverse cast filled with smart, interesting and very good looking men AND in spite of this the two Fan Favorites based on SM are both white male model types. IMO this just is a sad commentary on where we are in society. hmmm  This article just affirms that bias IMO. hmmm
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Post by Murakamee on Sat Aug 12, 2017 9:26 pm

Seabear wrote:
pbmax wrote:
AllAboutLove wrote:

:claphands to this article. This article expresses so much of what I felt throughout the season and why I posted how I was disgusted and appalled at how SM/Media went after Rachel, the first black bachelorette, like she was less deserving of what every. single. other. bachelorette. before her had received. The undertones of that were not lost on me when the only variable was that Rachel was a black bachelorette and SM/media making her out to be some desperate person who should settle for something less than what SHE wanted without being said to be some desperate woman who just wanted a ring and praising the guy who said that it would essentially be a "sacrifice" for him. Sorry but to me just the idea that Rachel's right to have the relationship she wanted in no way shape or form I saw as something for SM/media to lambaste her for. There's no default here when Rachel chooses for herself what type of man and relationship SHE wants for her life.

JMO

IA with your post. Rachel said she would choose someone she couldn't see herself without,  this is what she told Bryan and chose him. She could see herself without Peter so the question of settling is answered.

@jashfan Wonderful Article and Spot On IMO.:claphands  
ITA with @AllAboutLove and @pbmax on your comments too. :claphands :claphands

I have been disturbed with how this season was presented by TPTB and how it was received by the viewers. Rachel was a very good Bachelorette and an excellent representative for all women IMO. One thing I find very disappointing is that we finally had a wonderfully diverse cast filled with smart, interesting and very good looking men AND in spite of this the two Fan Favorites based on SM are both white male model types. IMO this just is a sad commentary on where we are in society. hmmm  This article just affirms that bias IMO. hmmm
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Yes @jashfan excellent article. Thank you for sharing!

I agree with everyone who has commented. @Seabear you emphasized something poignant about who the fan favorites turned out to be, and most important who the focus centered on throughout the season. Three white males: Lee, Dean, and Peter. There were people empathizing with Lee as well after MTA, which I found mind blowing - to say the least. I think this season has been a disturbing study in psychology and sociology.
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Post by Sprite on Sat Aug 12, 2017 10:28 pm

jashfan wrote:https://www.yahoo.com/news/those-think-rachel-settled-bachelorette-183015451.html

A different perspective about the whole Rachel /Bryan/Peter situation. Nice read.

Really good article although it could pretty much apply any season ... not just for the first black Bette.
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Post by Amethyst on Sat Aug 12, 2017 10:31 pm

Seabear wrote:
@jashfan Wonderful Article and Spot On IMO.:claphands  
ITA with @AllAboutLove and @pbmax on your comments too. :claphands :claphands

I have been disturbed with how this season was presented by TPTB and how it was received by the viewers. Rachel was a very good Bachelorette and an excellent representative for all women IMO. One thing I find very disappointing is that we finally had a wonderfully diverse cast filled with smart, interesting and very good looking men AND in spite of this the two Fan Favorites based on SM are both white male model types. IMO this just is a sad commentary on where we are in society. hmmm  This article just affirms that bias IMO. hmmm
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Well, to be fair, both guys were favorites with Rachel as well, having made it to the F4. I did wonder during the season if Rachel was a bit more focused on looks than the norm.

Rachel let go of some guys who seemed to be smart and interesting -- Anthony and Will, for instance. Diggy looked like he was fun, and Alex is also fun and has lots of fans.
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Post by Murakamee on Sat Aug 12, 2017 10:37 pm

Amethyst wrote:
Seabear wrote:
@jashfan Wonderful Article and Spot On IMO.:claphands  
ITA with @AllAboutLove and @pbmax on your comments too. :claphands :claphands

I have been disturbed with how this season was presented by TPTB and how it was received by the viewers. Rachel was a very good Bachelorette and an excellent representative for all women IMO. One thing I find very disappointing is that we finally had a wonderfully diverse cast filled with smart, interesting and very good looking men AND in spite of this the two Fan Favorites based on SM are both white male model types. IMO this just is a sad commentary on where we are in society. hmmm  This article just affirms that bias IMO. hmmm
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Well, to be fair, both guys were favorites with Rachel as well, having made it to the F4. I did wonder during the season if Rachel was a bit more focused on looks than the norm.

Rachel let go of some guys who seemed to be smart and interesting -- Anthony and Will, for instance. Diggy looked like he was fun, and Alex is also fun and has lots of fans.

I would cross Will off that list. Her reasons for letting him go were pretty obvious to me. I just wish she would have let Peter go as well once she knew he wasn't all there. That's one of the things that annoyed me. But I get it, he was most likely telling her things that made her think they had a real future, and then backing off - wash, rinse, repeat. Will wasn't doing that. JMO.
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Post by AllAboutLove on Sat Aug 12, 2017 10:39 pm

I wish Rach had taken Peter to the FRC and dumped his azz just like so many other bachelorettes have done in the past. Peter got off so easy IMO he should be thanking his lucky stars for the grace Rachel DID show him

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Post by Amethyst on Sat Aug 12, 2017 10:42 pm

I wonder if things would have gone better with Will if she had given him a 1-on-1 earlier in the season. Will said on his ABC bio that he tends to be reserved at first with women, so he might have loosened up in time. I liked him.
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Post by pbmax on Sat Aug 12, 2017 10:44 pm

AllAboutLove wrote:I wish Rach had taken Peter to the FRC and dumped his azz just like so many other bachelorettes have done in the past. Peter got off so easy IMO he should be thanking his lucky stars for the grace Rachel DID show him.

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Amen! That what I say. I wish she had done just that. The way he behave she didn't need to be sensitive to him. Had she done that then it would have been clear and no doubt to her choice.
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Post by GuardianAngel on Sat Aug 12, 2017 11:16 pm

AllAboutLove wrote:I wish Rach had taken Peter to the FRC and dumped his azz just like so many other bachelorettes have done in the past. Peter got off so easy IMO he should be thanking his lucky stars for the grace Rachel DID show him    

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This is worth quoting again. I wish she played his bluff and kept him after the fight. I wonder if then he'd take himself out, since he'd been on the verge of trying all season long, but not quite.



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Post by Kels0012 on Sun Aug 13, 2017 12:12 am

GuardianAngel wrote:
AllAboutLove wrote:I wish Rach had taken Peter to the FRC and dumped his azz just like so many other bachelorettes have done in the past. Peter got off so easy IMO he should be thanking his lucky stars for the grace Rachel DID show him    

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This is worth quoting again. I wish she played his bluff and kept him after the fight. I wonder if then he'd take himself out, since he'd been on the verge of trying all season long, but not quite.


RACHEL had the entire season to take Peter out. Yes, it is edited and Peter no doubt did the push and pull, yet we clearly see EACH DATE they have, that he clearly states at one time or another, I AM NOT READY TO PROPOSE. What more can he do? No, he didn't pull out. Maybe he had feelings. People say he dumped a gf, was interested for a long time in the show and wanted to expand his biz. Sounds like most of the players aka contestants on the show. I think he fell for her. He couldn't get there in two months. I want his as Bach selfishly, yet I think even then he couldn't get there. Catch 22. IMO.
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Post by Rolly on Sun Aug 13, 2017 1:11 am

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Kels0012 wrote:
GuardianAngel wrote:
AllAboutLove wrote:I wish Rach had taken Peter to the FRC and dumped his azz just like so many other bachelorettes have done in the past. Peter got off so easy IMO he should be thanking his lucky stars for the grace Rachel DID show him    

JMO

This is worth quoting again. I wish she played his bluff and kept him after the fight. I wonder if then he'd take himself out, since he'd been on the verge of trying all season long, but not quite.


RACHEL had the entire season to take Peter out. Yes, it is edited and Peter no doubt did the push and pull, yet we clearly see EACH DATE they have, that he clearly states at one time or another, I AM NOT READY TO PROPOSE. What more can he do? No, he didn't pull out. Maybe he had feelings. People say he dumped a gf, was interested for a long time in the show and wanted to expand his biz. Sounds like most of the players aka contestants on the show. I think he fell for her. He couldn't get there in two months. I want his as Bach selfishly, yet I think even then he couldn't get there. Catch 22. IMO.

I also would love to see him as the bachelor... I want to see him every week. Maybe he couldn't get there with a Rachel but maybe he could with someone else. Calling the shots, having more control and maybe finding the love of his life. I'd love to see that. And even the crap that would follow for him to be able to get to a proposal after 2.5 months would be worth it. Maybe he would get to the end and decide to be committed but not engaged, that would be great too. I know heads would explode but everybody deserves a chance at finding love. JMO.
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