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BACHELOR 22 - Arie Luyendyk Jr General Discussion - **NO SPOILERS** - *SLEUTHING* DISCUSSION

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Post by agentcurls on Sat Feb 10, 2018 3:07 am

^@Ladybug82  thank you!
There goes Lauren again with "I'm scared I'm going to get heartbroken again..."


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Post by Ladybug82 on Sat Feb 10, 2018 3:09 am

Just found Arie & Becca's on ABC (others were from Disney/ABC press) but can't get the embed code to work for Becca's - follow the link

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Post by grace8136 on Sat Feb 10, 2018 9:20 am

@agentcurls wrote:^Thanks for that explanation @veg_out. I like your thoughts here.

Molly started emerging around Seattle time, when Jason wittled it down to his Top 6.  He took Molly for extra SQT to walk the streets and talk for hours. Their HTD highlighted how similar Jolly was. FDs demonstrated Molly being less guarded and showing more passion. I think Jason got tripped up because he felt inferior to Melissa and because she was a lot more warm and fuzzy with his son during that LCD. Molly told Jason on her way out " I think you are making a huge mistake." So ep 7-10, yes I think TP were trying to show us why Jolly ended up together in the end.

Maybe these older Bachelors (Brad, Arie) are more comfortable in their own skin to face backlash post-show with a no pick or quick break-up rather than putting on a charade for 7- months.

After Becca's and Lauren's second 1:1s in Tuscany, it should say a lot more. I think it's pretty significant that Lauren has two back-to-back 1:1s.

Has anyone not been F1 that got two back to back 1:1s? Is it OK if @aunties_Love answers this question? If you can Auntie, thanks.
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Post by agentcurls on Sat Feb 10, 2018 10:25 am

^As far as I know, Andi's Josh and JoJo's Jordan each had back to back 1:1s in the middle of the season. That's Bachelorette, though. And I'm not sure about The Bachelor and if there is a pattern there.

IMO, though, it says that he waited for the most romantic places to have 1:1s with one of the girls he likes most. If I was the lead, that's what I would do!!


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Post by grace8136 on Sat Feb 10, 2018 1:22 pm

@agentcurls wrote:^As far as I know, Andi's Josh and JoJo's Jordan each had back to back 1:1s in the middle of the season. That's Bachelorette, though. And I'm not sure about The Bachelor and if there is a pattern there.

IMO, though, it says that he waited for the most romantic places to have 1:1s with one of the girls he likes most. If I was the lead, that's what I would do!!

Was Lauren the most favorite since she got the Paris date which was arguably the best of the season to get?

Becca got 2 1:1s back to back in Chris Soules season. Maybe it's more evidence of a similar edit? He planned to pick her until in Chris' case, he gave up and in Arie's something happened to change the ending? This would mean they knew it changed before they finished editing episode 1 and gave her that crap limo entrance. Becca said everything changes this week. I should probably stop doubting that and just believe her. Based on Bekah's shock at the rose ceremony in Paris, things did change for Becca and she must not have been his obvious pick from the girl's POV.

Like the farmer, his F1 probably changed. I think Chris liked Britt or Jade before Becca for awhile. (I didn't even include poor Whit there.) Arie's favs were maybe Bekah and Chelsea or even Krystal at first. Who knows though, they could have hidden his connection with Lauren in episode 1 and 2.
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Post by MVMom39forever on Tue Feb 13, 2018 2:50 am

@Sprite wrote:So sorry, but I got accidentally spoiled today. 

I will see you all on the dark side.

I was spoiled over the weekend as well! I was watching something entirely different on YouTube when a spoiler video with the name of F1 and F2 in the title popped on my YouTube video feed. I did not even need to click on video to learn the information so proceed with caution if you want to stay unspoiled.

Geez, what a pain for folks who actually want to be surprised.
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Post by agentcurls on Tue Feb 13, 2018 3:39 am

Were dropping like flies! Embarressed!

@veg_out, are you still there?

I'm enjoying being Unspoiled but it feels like maybe this might be a let-down in the end and I'm going to wish I didn't put so much energy into sleuthing and had found out the spoiler earlier. I still have a little hope for Arie. The only love story I see blooming right now is Arie with Lauren but maybe that will change.


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Post by veg_out on Tue Feb 13, 2018 10:27 am

@agentcurls, heya hi bestbud! I plan to watch tonight though I'll miss @Sprite's commentary.


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Post by veg_out on Tue Feb 13, 2018 11:20 pm

Well that was really odd.

A few observations:
1. Becca and Arie: Arie came off as lukewarm throughout the date. He was saying the things that sound like he's falling for Becca without much conviction or enthusiasm. Becca was doing most of the talking, affirming, and emoting with Arie reflecting back to her in the most minimal ways. There's no conflict there. The outtake when compared with Lauren's last week shows that a stranger does a better job attending to Becca than Arie does.

2. Lauren & Arie: As discussed, he's chasing Lauren, he's worried that she doesn't return his feelings, he's opening up to her first and coaxing her out of her shell almost like she's the lead. Whenever we've seen this in other seasons, this person was the F1. Also, their conflict is essentially over since they've both pretty much affirmed their feelings for each other. scratch

3. Arie in love: I'm realizing that I can't tell when Arie's in love. It's almost like he shuts down.

4. Boyfriend: I can't figure out if he's Becca's or Lauren's since exes for both were mentioned in this episode. Either way, if one of their exes comes back in Peru, that would definitely push Arie to pick the other woman, whoever it is, I'd think, if that indeed happens based on grace's cap sleuthing.

5. HTD preview: There seems to be a common theme running through the HTDs: The families are questioning Arie's intentions. That's interesting. Are TPTB creating situations that force Arie to confront his issues with commitment and choosing one person or are they revealing his fatal flaw for us?

All of that combined: I'm not sure about the ending. There seemed to be some sense among the unspoiled crew that the ending is not normal. Right now, if it ended last episode, he would have picked Lauren in a normal FRC with Becca or Kendall as the F2.


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Post by agentcurls on Wed Feb 14, 2018 3:59 am

ep 7:
Becca doing a lot narrating about locations & accommodations but not too much about Arie - how invested is she, truly? Doesn't seem nearly as invested as Lauren and Tia who are overanalyzing/swooning in ITMs...perhaps she is practicing for her role as next Bachelorette. Still at peculiar edit to me.

I will agree with VO in that Arie doesn't seem overjoyed being on this 1:1 with Becca. Going through the motions. She is saying things to make herself vulnerable but her body language, vocal tone, and facial expressions aren't lining up with the words. Arie might be picking up on this. Contrast it with how vulnerable Lauren was. I think Arie likes to be the protector and Lauren is really falling into that need of his, imo.
"Hearing Becca say she is falling for me...makes me feel happy"  as he rolls eyes, looks away from camera, shrugs shoulders. Ok, Arie, are you sure about that?
I think he likes Becca a lot, but it seems like he is trying to convince himself he is falling harder for her and latching on to her because of his insecurity regarding Lauren and her feelings/wall build-up. I am just not "feeling it" with Arie & Becca.

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Post by agentcurls on Wed Feb 14, 2018 4:25 am

Such a striking difference in emotionality from Arie when he was on his 1:1 with Becca versus when he was with Lauren. That is all.


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