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Post by GuardianAngel on Sun Jul 28, 2019 10:29 pm

Previous threads here

@grace8136 wrote:
@notarose wrote:
@mbl wrote:
@Alanna wrote:I’m interested in everyone’s temperature since the finale is tomorrow (!!!!) and so much feels unspoiled.

1. What do you think Hannah’s relationship status was immediately after leaving Greece?
2. What do you think Hannah’s relationship status is today?
3. What do you think Hannah’s relationship status will be Tuesday post afr?  


1.  I just listened to this Thursday's Bachelor Party podcast, with Lauren Zima interviewing CH.  It was interesting how definitive CH was in contrasting the difference between between Peter's and Jed's situations.  CH says he knows more about Peter because he did some digging into Calee's allegations about how Peter was cast on the show, so he's less worried and less intrigued because he knows some truths that either he or Peter will explain.  He goes on to say that with Jed, "I just don't know the situation at all".  He says other things that raise the possibility that Jed may never have discussed Haley with Hannah.

I understand that this could be standard CH BS, but if it's true that he knows about Peter but doesn't know about Jed, then I could see the following ending:  Hannah said goodbye to Tyler sometime before the FRC.  She prepares for the FRC with Jed all the while questioning her decision to send Tyler home.  She then travels to the FRC but can't go through with it with Jed and that's why she gets out of the car.  She returns to Tyler and they decide to take things slow/date, to do things the way they need to (like on their overnight date).

2.  Dating Tyler.

3.  Dating/engaged to Tyler.

IMO what CH knows about Peter’s situation is how and when he was scouted and when he was cast. Also, he may know more as apparently CH and Peter’s family live in the same general vicinity of LA.
With Jed, his gf knew about Jed going on the show so CH wouldn’t know much else beyond what’s been made public by her unless some Nashville BN alumni know things and have talked with CH.

So now CH, Nick and JoJo have all spoken up for Peter. Maybe that points to Tyler being with Hannah because they may need Peter to be the bachelor?

@Doggoneit wrote:@grace8136 That is a good point.  Heard Ashley I on her podcast say that she just did not see it as Mike as Bachelor.  I don't think he made a good first impression with her.  
I would like Peter.
Not saying I agree with her, but just reporting.

@Mommyof2 wrote:1.  Engaged to Jed.  Happy for a while until #haleygate hit and RS got involved and the SM pressure became too much so she had to take action or be the laughingstock of the internet.  

2.  Single

3.  All three parties go their separate ways.

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@Doggoneit wrote:@grace8136 That is a good point.  Heard Ashley I on her podcast say that she just did not see it as Mike as Bachelor.  I don't think he made a good first impression with her.  
I would like Peter.
Not saying I agree with her, but just reporting.

hmmmmm interesting. Maybe Ashley knows something. I'd like Peter too. To quote Hannah, "he's sweet and thoughtful, but when it's go time, it's go time!" Hugesmile

@Tiggerlgh good point in that they better shut that talk down because I'm sure many contestants break up fairly close to the filming date. JoJo reminded me that her break up was only 2 months and Nick was asking how many months is enough.


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Post by Amethyst on Mon Jul 29, 2019 2:53 am

It makes sense to me that CH would have direct access to first-hand information about how Peter was cast. Probably whatever he has heard about Jed are the same things that we've been hearing. I think Peter should be on the short list for the Bachelor. To me, breaking his prior relationship off three months before is perfectly acceptable. Yes, he and his prior girlfriend were in talks to possibly take the relationship to the next level. But bottom line, he broke it off before they did that. Now if it's true that he was dating around, and perhaps not really looking to settle down, then he might be a better fit for Paradise. I think I can trust the producers to sort that out.

Peter has a lot going for him including a great career, youthful good looks, a pleasant personality, he's easy to get along with, and has a wonderful family. He's already located in SoCal which would be a positive for a lot of women. Plus my take on him is that he falls in love quite easily, which would make for good TV. I bet a lot of potential cast members would love to try their luck with him. I think he's the type of guy that the cast members would feel good about, regardless. He could send them home half way through, and they likely would still feel that they had a good experience. Also, the fans seem to really like him.

My number one pick would be Tyler, but I have no objection to Peter. I'm sure they're also taking a close look at Mike and probably others as well. Paradise may perhaps reveal some other contenders.
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Post by Jolena on Mon Jul 29, 2019 3:17 am

The IG bacheloretteABCspoilers is saying she was engaged to Jed, found out about GF , broke up with him and is now single and her Final 3 guys will all get closure on ATFR . So this is pretty much what RS has said .if this is how it all goes down then the only thing that no one knows yet is if she’ leaves the ATFR still single or with Tyler . RS says no chance of her and Tyler getting back together but that still remains to be seen . unless someone from production told him and they already know this is the way it ends. ( and I’m sure they do know before anyone walks out on that stag ) Jmo
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Post by Lucas15 on Mon Jul 29, 2019 8:03 am

@Amethyst wrote:It makes sense to me that CH would have direct access to first-hand information about how Peter was cast.
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Here's some information about the casting process that might shed some light (or spawn discussions) about not only Peter but others on this season - as well as past seasons. It was written in the aftermath of Becca's season and the (embarrassing) information that came out about her F1 and Lincoln Adim but IMO casting has not really changed since then.

My excerpts all come from this article on Bachelorette casting:

the Ringer wrote:
the troubling back-to-back revelations about two prominent Bachelorette contestants indicate that both the series’ structure and casting process are failing to keep up with modern times.

“At the end of the day, the producer’s intentions are to set the lead up with someone great who they’re compatible with,” the producer said.

Two former Bachelor franchise producers I spoke to said that, though executive producers were responsible for choosing finalists from a pile of dossiers and interview tapes, they rarely worked closely with the casting department to investigate their backgrounds. Producers typically research contestants for their own purposes, Googling to see whether cast members have a significant other, or friends in common. Producers outsource the vetting system to the casting director.

“The network and the production companies are not spending any money on the casting, and they’re going on the cheap in doing the vetting process,”

“I couldn’t tell you exactly at what point the background checks come in,” Carr said. “Ultimately, it could be days before shooting."

According to Bachelor Nation, every contestant must sign a lengthy agreement that limits both the network’s and production company’s liability. Douglas Johnson, an entertainment lawyer at a Los Angeles–based firm, says that these agreements create less of an incentive to be strict about the vetting process, or what’s happening on set, because they are so overreaching.

“I think that they feel very insulated by these massive releases that, over and over, in the contracts, saying we’re not liable for what happens to you, even intentional neglect, even death in the last one I just saw,” he said.

There's a lot here that's eye opening to me but I will add that some years ago I became aware of one of the companies that the show outsourced casting to, and they knew a lot of what happened during seasons they worked on, but not everything. This company was somewhat less "close lipped" than production is and IMO it's possible that some of RS's sources (that seem to know things only production could know) could actually be coming from subcontractors who are only one step away from production - but who might or might not know everything. IMO this might explain why spoilers are sometimes accurate and sometimes not - and sometimes change - it could depend on how much a particular talkative subcontractor actually knows and when they know it.

The one sentence in bold is really interesting to me. So, vetting is outsourced to a subcontractor but the producers typically do their own research for their own purposes and one thing in particular they might look for is evidence of a significant other (Jed I'm thinking of you specifically this past season). It's views like this that lead me to believe that production knew about Jed and Haley (they certainly could have known if they did their homework) from pretty early on.

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Post by Doggoneit on Mon Jul 29, 2019 8:57 am

@Lucas15 RE; Bolded and your assessment that production knew. 100% Demi and Katie setup and a pan to Jeds face when Hannah walked in was no happy accident.
One question that I always have had was that Jed said that his management team nominated him because they thought it would be good for his career. Judging how much Jed was able to have his guitar around so much, I am wondering why and how? I know that many contestants have had guitars and were budding artist in other seasons. They have not had so much time with guitars. Many have speculated that he was allowed because he was singing original songs and the show would not have to pay royalty fees. I also heard a theory that Delta had negotiated having a pilot on the season. Which is plausible to me. 2 pilots cast, only one comes out in uniform...?So I am wondering about this casting process and have they started negotiating with management or companies? With Peter, I thought this could be a big reason that his break-up was handled the way it was. He had just been employed by Delta, ( the narrative is that he was scouted and that could be correct, scout first negotiate with Delta for air fare fees etc) If, this was going to become a possibility, he would want to put the big brakes on the relationship, clean up SM, and say as little to her (ex) about it as possible - sever communication.

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Post by Billysmom on Mon Jul 29, 2019 9:13 am

@Jolena wrote:The IG bacheloretteABCspoilers is saying she was engaged to Jed, found out about GF , broke up with him and is now single and her Final 3 guys will all get closure on ATFR . So this is pretty much what RS has said .if this is how it all goes down then the only thing that no one knows yet is if she’ leaves the ATFR still single or with Tyler . RS says no chance of her and Tyler getting back together but that still remains to be seen . unless someone from production told him  and they already know this  is the way it ends. ( and I’m sure they do know before anyone walks out on that stag )  Jmo
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Post by HavaDrPepper on Mon Jul 29, 2019 9:16 am

@Lucas15 wrote:The one sentence in bold is really interesting to me. So, vetting is outsourced to a subcontractor but the producers typically do their own research for their own purposes and one thing in particular they might look for is evidence of a significant other (Jed I'm thinking of you specifically this past season). It's views like this that lead me to believe that production knew about Jed and Haley (they certainly could have known if they did their homework) from pretty early on.

All - JMHO

It would make sense that they had the whole spying in the first episode to see how Jed reacted. Scott could have been cast just to fulfill the role of being kicked off for a girlfriend. They probably knew that Scott was not someone Hannah would be interested in at all and would go home night 1. But they could have known Jed is the type of guy Hannah was very interested in. It also makes sense as to why Jed was allowed to pull out his guitar and sing so much during the show.

So bottom line is Scott was the producer's fodder just to see how Jed would react.

Yep, makes sense to me.

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Post by Miyala on Mon Jul 29, 2019 9:24 am

The rumor that Tyler was in her DM and they wanted to meet up but the producers wouldnt have it came after RS's message that they wouldnt get together so I still have hope.

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Post by Lucas15 on Mon Jul 29, 2019 9:49 am

RS's spoiler that Hannah would never reconcile with Tyler came out on June 27 and the bachelor.spoiler poster (who's also a mod on Reddit) agreed with it on the same date. Also on that date was Haley's podcast with RS where the information suggesting Jed had actually cheated on Haley with "Barbie", and the spolier that Jed and Haley had (now) completely broken up came out on June 27.

Since then, RS has sort of walked that spolier back a bit (that no way would Hannah and Tyler reconcile), and as of 3 days ago the Reddit mod (when asked for an update) only said that she picked Jed and they are no longer together. She did NOT repeat the information that no reconciliation was possible.

Since then we have a ton of hints being dropped through music playlists and music "likes" and common songs being shared from one playlist to another. RS will - as he typically does - poo poo this sleuthing that we do but IMO what we do is world class and something that a single individual can't duplicate - we have many reading and looking and multiple minds analyzing the data to figure out what it could actually mean. IMO our information is as close to real time as anyone could possibly get.
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Post by albean99 on Mon Jul 29, 2019 11:17 am

I'm late but will weigh in on the questions:

1. I think she picked and got engaged to Jed at FRC.
2. I believe she broke up with him post-filming and is single at this time.
3. I think they'll all end up single but wouldn't be too shocked if she and Tyler at least try dating.

I still am not in favor of Peter as TB. I don't like how he went from allegedly getting serious with a girlfriend to dropping her like a hot potato to go on the Bachelorette. It seems to me that he's possibly a FBoi behind the nice guy next door facade. JMO of course. I don't take Ashley I too seriously. She's just another ex-cast with an opinion, imo.


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Post by Billysmom on Mon Jul 29, 2019 11:39 am

I still think she got engaged to Jed but am anxious to find out when and why she says it's not supposed to be like this...
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Post by Mommyof2 on Mon Jul 29, 2019 12:44 pm

@Jolena wrote:The IG bacheloretteABCspoilers is saying she was engaged to Jed, found out about GF , broke up with him and is now single and her Final 3 guys will all get closure on ATFR . So this is pretty much what RS has said .if this is how it all goes down then the only thing that no one knows yet is if she’ leaves the ATFR still single or with Tyler . RS says no chance of her and Tyler getting back together but that still remains to be seen . unless someone from production told him  and they already know this  is the way it ends. ( and I’m sure they do know before anyone walks out on that stag )  Jmo

This seems the most logical explanation to me. Might explain why rumors are flying about her being offered DWTS. She will still get her happy ending dancing on TV. Jmo.
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