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Post by Seatee on Wed Jan 08, 2020 6:38 pm

I think it's understandable why he didn't talk about Hannah while dating Gigi though. He was seeing Gigi exclusively at the time - why would he be publicly talking about an ex? I know if the guy I was seeing did that, I'd be pissed. Ok, then after the Gigi split he went to LA and did all these interviews and podcasts, but the interviews specifically asked him about Hannah so why wouldn't he talk about her? Just like everyone asks Hannah about Tyler. They were on a popular show so that's what people are going to ask them about. I do think some of his comments were over the top but that seems to be his style.

Tyler got a ton of backlash for not publicly supporting Hannah while dating Gigi. Then he got backlash again when he did support her, because people were calling him a clout chaser and riding Hannah's coat tails. The guy can never win laugh out loud.

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Post by Bleiby527 on Wed Jan 08, 2020 7:25 pm

@Seatee wrote:I think it's understandable why he didn't talk about Hannah while dating Gigi though. He was seeing Gigi exclusively at the time - why would he be publicly talking about an ex? I know if the guy I was seeing did that, I'd be pissed. Ok, then after the Gigi split he went to LA and did all these interviews and podcasts, but the interviews specifically asked him about Hannah so why wouldn't he talk about her? Just like everyone asks Hannah about Tyler. They were on a popular show so that's what people are going to ask them about. I do think some of his comments were over the top but that seems to be his style.

Tyler got a ton of backlash for not publicly supporting Hannah while dating Gigi. Then he got backlash again when he did support her, because people were calling him a clout chaser and riding Hannah's coat tails. The guy can never win laugh out loud.

I agree that Tyler has gotten an unfair amount of criticism but so have all of them, especially Hannah. I really like Tyler too but it's disingenuous to describe him as the aggrieved party here. This whole situation is messy and there is enough fault to go around to all of these very young people (most of it should go to Jed IMO).

And I agree that Tyler brought up Hannah A LOT after the Gigi fling ended - I have no idea why either. But he brought up Hannah multiple times in interviews (always favorably) during a period when she was very tight-lipped about him and was focusing on dancing with the stars. JMO

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Post by lleyki on Wed Jan 08, 2020 8:33 pm

I didn't read through all the posts so apologize in advance if this has already been said. I don't think Tyler liked that tweet because he's hurt. He's very clearly moved on. I think he is probably annoyed he got all that hate for moving on so quickly when Hannah didn't really want him to begin with. For months she was painted as the victim and he was the f*ckboy. Even yesterday the top few replies to his tweet was that he was jumping from model to model, he is a player, etc. I'm sure he is just tired of those negative comments and liked the one supportive tweet.

This. I completely agree. Especially the part about all the hate Tyler got, when Bachelor Nation fans overly invested in some fantasy reunion between the two, didn't get what they wanted and felt Hannah was owed and deserved. It was a major reason I stepped back from everything to do with Bachelor Nation and chose to simply get my Tyler news from his Instagram. I didn't need over the top nitpicking and judgement of every minute details of his life.

I didn't watch the season premiere, because the promos were enough to let me know I wanted no part of it. But I read enough from social media and various recaps. And none of it was surprising to me. I was never on the Hannah/Tyler reunion bandwagon after the season because I said even then that I felt like it was less of case of Hannah actually wanting Tyler and more her being hurt about Jed and questioning her own judgement, since she willingly chose him and there was Tyler who damn near all of Bachelor World was swooning over.

And so to me it felt like someone convincing themselves of feelings that wasn't really there. But some were so obsessed with this narrative of some great love story between the two, that Tyler suddenly became Public Enemy #1 when he walked away from Hannah. So yeah, I certainly don't blame him for liking this tweet, which first of all wasn't offensive or even hateful towards Hannah but merely supporting and defending him.

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Post by just me on Wed Jan 08, 2020 9:45 pm

@GuardianAngel wrote:Opinions are just that, opinions. No one has provided facts one way or another, so neither are accurate. No one unless they were in the room with Tyler and H know if they slept together or not. So to say they were dm'ing back and forth so they must have slept together is also not accurate IMHO unless it's stated as an opinion.

As far as the drink suggestion, to me, whether they were dm'ing back and forth or not doesn't prove to me that Tyler "knew" he was going to be asked, but rather his facial expression told me he was clueless. Hannah's expression while she was asking was one of a little kid telling him a secret that he didn't know.

They could have been dm'ing back and forth because of the break up with Jed, or a number of reasons, however one them may or may not have been Hannah telling him she was going to ask him out for drinks. Knowing how TPTB love the shock factor as we have seen many times before Arie/Becca, I wouldn't doubt if Tyler knew nothing about the drink invite. My opinions.
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Post by Bleiby527 on Wed Jan 08, 2020 10:04 pm

I guess we all see things differently. I think Tyler wanted to hook up with Hannah and Gigi was something that he thought was just DMs that would never pan out. Then when Gigi was interested after meeting in person, he figured it was a once in a lifetime thing and decided to give it a shot. I think he probably hoped he could date both at once. JMO

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Post by whit90 on Wed Jan 08, 2020 10:08 pm

@just me wrote:
@GuardianAngel wrote:Opinions are just that, opinions. No one has provided facts one way or another, so neither are accurate. No one unless they were in the room with Tyler and H know if they slept together or not. So to say they were dm'ing back and forth so they must have slept together is also not accurate IMHO unless it's stated as an opinion.

As far as the drink suggestion, to me, whether they were dm'ing back and forth or not doesn't prove to me that Tyler "knew" he was going to be asked, but rather his facial expression told me he was clueless. Hannah's expression while she was asking was one of a little kid telling him a secret that he didn't know.

They could have been dm'ing back and forth because of the break up with Jed, or a number of reasons, however one them may or may not have been Hannah telling him she was going to ask him out for drinks. Knowing how TPTB love the shock factor as we have seen many times before Arie/Becca, I wouldn't doubt if Tyler knew nothing about the drink invite. My opinions.
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Post by Astrobach on Thu Jan 09, 2020 2:20 am

@Bleiby527 wrote:
@GuardianAngel wrote:IMO it's not about what they did or didn't do that night. It's about what happened after. Tyler moved on to someone else he was interested in which he had every right to do so.

If he was interested in starting a relationship with Hannah, he would have done so starting that night.  

Totally agree and I think they BOTH came to the conclusion that they were not ready to date each other after that night of sharing. Tyler did say clearly that he didn’t know the future but that it would be unhealthy for them to jump back in so soon.( I believe on Nick Vial’s podcast) IMO  He probably knew that Hannah was still processing her break up with Jed and was confused, while he was processing his being let go after his proposal and the whole Jed blindsiding them.

I'm not saying Tyler did anything wrong by dating Gigi. I'm saying that there has been a lot of talk on these forums about how Hannah forced Tyler to go out with her and somehow forced him to spend the night, which in my humble opinion is not accurate.


We now have evidence from Peter (either Tyler or Hannah or both told him) that Tyler and Hannah were in contact throughout the season after her breakup with Jed. In my opinion, Tyler was being a typical 26 year old guy and wanted to date both Hannah and Gigi on the down low. He was very naive and had no idea that you can't date two public figures at the same time.

I am not faulting Tyler for this - they are all very young and Hannah did not pick him, she picked Jed. But in my opinion it's a false narrative to say that all of this came from Hannah. They were both in touch with each other throughout the season. JMO

When was that a proven fact ?
I don’t remember reading much about Hannah’ forcing’ Tyler to date her... and as far as spending the night,IMO,  it just evolved this way and was in part at least, set up by producers, let’s not forget their role in that whole meeting that was supposed to be private and ended up being a clear bait for more exposure after the paps photos of the morning after. were published.  If anything, both Hannah and Tyler didn’t realize they were both used to perpetuate this image of ‘ possible power couple’, and satisfy the real fan mania that was all over the media and S/M.

IMO because we now know that Tyler did contact Hannah some DOESN’T MEAN they did A LOT and even THROUGHOUT the season. these are complete speculations and IMHO very likely extreme exaggerations.

@GuardianAngel wrote:Opinions are just that, opinions. No one has provided facts one way or another, so neither are accurate. No one unless they were in the room with Tyler and H know if they slept together or not. So to say they were dm'ing back and forth so they must have slept together is also not accurate IMHO unless it's stated as an opinion.

As far as the drink suggestion, to me, whether they were dm'ing back and forth or not doesn't prove to me that Tyler "knew" he was going to be asked, but rather his facial expression told me he was clueless. Hannah's expression while she was asking was one of a little kid telling him a secret that he didn't know.

They could have been dm'ing back and forth because of the break up with Jed, or a number of reasons, however one them may or may not have been Hannah telling him she was going to ask him out for drinks. Knowing how TPTB love the shock factor as we have seen many times before Arie/Becca, I wouldn't doubt if Tyler knew nothing about the drink invite. My opinions.

Exactly, no one really knows, but it seems that things were not all romantic or flirty with them through whatever DM they did, Hannah can’t have a poker face and it was obvious (BL) that they had not connected at that level before the AFR. Tyler was always supporting Hannah, and most likely had tons of questions relating to his interactions with her after she let him go. Thus a long night of catching up and shedding light on their status.  Maybe Hannah was still very confused and let Tyler think she had feelings for him without mentioning that Peter still had some part of her heart.

@Seatee wrote:I think it's understandable why he didn't talk about Hannah while dating Gigi though. He was seeing Gigi exclusively at the time - why would he be publicly talking about an ex? I know if the guy I was seeing did that, I'd be pissed. Ok, then after the Gigi split he went to LA and did all these interviews and podcasts, but the interviews specifically asked him about Hannah so why wouldn't he talk about her? Just like everyone asks Hannah about Tyler. They were on a popular show so that's what people are going to ask them about. I do think some of his comments were over the top but that seems to be his style.

Tyler got a ton of backlash for not publicly supporting Hannah while dating Gigi. Then he got backlash again when he did support her, because people were calling him a clout chaser and riding Hannah's coat tails. The guy can never win laugh out loud.

THAT! A LOT of the Hannah related questions were coming FROM  the media, and Tyler continued being supportive and maybe over compensated a bit as he had been silent while dating GIgi.

@Bleiby527 wrote:
@Seatee wrote:I think it's understandable why he didn't talk about Hannah while dating Gigi though. He was seeing Gigi exclusively at the time - why would he be publicly talking about an ex? I know if the guy I was seeing did that, I'd be pissed. Ok, then after the Gigi split he went to LA and did all these interviews and podcasts, but the interviews specifically asked him about Hannah so why wouldn't he talk about her? Just like everyone asks Hannah about Tyler. They were on a popular show so that's what people are going to ask them about. I do think some of his comments were over the top but that seems to be his style.

Tyler got a ton of backlash for not publicly supporting Hannah while dating Gigi. Then he got backlash again when he did support her, because people were calling him a clout chaser and riding Hannah's coat tails. The guy can never win laugh out loud.

I agree that Tyler has gotten an unfair amount of criticism but so have all of them, especially Hannah. I really like Tyler too but it's disingenuous to describe him as the aggrieved party here. This whole situation is messy and there is enough fault to go around to all of these very young people (most of it should go to Jed IMO).

And I agree that Tyler brought up Hannah A LOT after the Gigi fling ended - I have no idea why either. But he brought up Hannah multiple times in interviews (always favorably) during a period when she was very tight-lipped about him and was focusing on dancing with the stars.  JMO

He was IMO mostly answering questions that was on everyone’s mind.

@Bleiby527 wrote:I guess we all see things differently. I think Tyler wanted to hook up with Hannah and Gigi was something that he thought was just DMs that would never pan out. Then when Gigi was interested after meeting in person, he figured it was a once in a lifetime thing and decided to give it a shot. I think he probably hoped he could date both at once. JMO

This comes up a lot, and I cannot disagree more with that statement. In my view, Tyler was broken hearted by Hannah and did what he could to get over it, including reaching out and having conversations to find some closure with her. He had no clear intentions of ‘ dating ‘ Gigi IMHO, and was most likely flattered by her DM him and opening a dialogue about modeling and Bachelor life. He didn’t expect to find as much  resonance with Gigi until it actually happened and they were caught against their will, on someone’s insta’s photos. The comments I remember reading were that they were sitting together but there were no sign of flirting or any intimacy between them. I do think it developed as they had the benefits of great communication between them ( that’s my astro reading that validates this opinion) and since Gigi’s every moves are newsworthy for many, Tyler found himself in a weird position of being followed - and scrutinized if not crucified- How dare he NOT dating Hannah or how can he date Gigi and breaking Hannah’s heart? in his every moves as well.
He doesn’t strike me as the guy who would want to date two people at once. That’s not his style and he never did before, he seems pretty focused when he is with someone. So that theory of dating both is bogus for me, and it doesn’t explain any of the behaviors that followed.
He is living his life and has been intertwined with Hannah to some extent but I do think that the end of this chapter came when he was told by Peter himself, some of the stuff we just saw in episode 1 and 2 of Peter’s season and realized that some of the confusion that had been lingering, was from Hannah’s side with Peter and not with himself. it allowed him to turn the page. JMHO
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Post by Emeralds on Thu Jan 09, 2020 2:57 am

Given that Peter has said that he and Hannah talked about meeting up ATFR and he thought they might give things another shot, I seriously doubt Hannah had some sort of assurance from Tyler that he wanted a romantic relationship with her. At any rate, I think the boys started comparing notes recently and the 'antics' remark makes a lot of sense now. Sheesh, someone needs to tell homegirl that she can date someone who wasn't on her season. duh

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Post by Bleiby527 on Thu Jan 09, 2020 5:40 am

@Emeralds wrote:Given that Peter has said that he and Hannah talked about meeting up ATFR and he thought they might give things another shot, I seriously doubt Hannah had some sort of assurance from Tyler that he wanted a romantic relationship with her. At any rate, I think the boys started comparing notes recently and the 'antics' remark makes a lot of sense now. Sheesh, someone needs to tell homegirl that she can date someone who wasn't on her season. duh

If you listen to what Peter actually said that Hannah said to him on the podcast after the first night of the finale, it was that she was living in the same area of Los Angeles that he was. He asked her to meet up at some point in the future and she said sure. He interpreted this as her asking him to restart their relationship laugh out loud and then was shocked that she asked Tyler out the next day.

IMO, it sounds like Peter's ego was hurt and now he's trying to soothe himself (and the public laugh out loud) by telling everyone he was Hannah's real 2nd choice.


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Post by Bleiby527 on Thu Jan 09, 2020 5:49 am

@astrobach You said this about Tyler when he gave numerous interviews about Hannah after the Gigi fling ended -  "He was IMO mostly answering questions that was on everyone’s mind."

LOL it wasn't on my mind that Tyler had on-camera erections while making out with Hannah. I assume it wasn't on everyone's. JMO

https://www.cosmopolitan.com/entertainment/celebs/a29316797/tyler-cameron-erections-bachelorette/

https://www.msn.com/en-us/tv/video/tyler-c-jokes-about-erection-scenes-with-hannah-b-on-the-bachelorette/vp-AAI4MtF

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Post by Astrobach on Thu Jan 09, 2020 6:58 am

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Yes, well I didn’t imply that subject which was IMO a choice by Juliet to focus on a little much, she kept bringing it up and Tyler obliged and had fun with it I guess. I think I answered that way back then, and you are the one bringing it up again and it’s fine but it’s not something that proves or support any romantic theories, as men can have erections for a multitude of reasons and people without any feelings involved. Did Tyler and Hannah have great physical chemistry? Absolutely! But since there is a lot more to a relationship and Hannah somehow was clearly not in a place to start dating anyone, including Tyler, when the AFR came to be, the questions MOST people had was ‘ are they getting together?” ‘ were they in touch”? “ Are we getting our power couple love story?” Not his possible erections. While Juliet L. decided to use that subject to get more conversations going, it still is IMO not the kind of questions the fans are interested in, but maybe it was more so for you.
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Post by Emeralds on Thu Jan 09, 2020 10:14 am

@Bleiby527 wrote:
@Emeralds wrote:Given that Peter has said that he and Hannah talked about meeting up ATFR and he thought they might give things another shot, I seriously doubt Hannah had some sort of assurance from Tyler that he wanted a romantic relationship with her. At any rate, I think the boys started comparing notes recently and the 'antics' remark makes a lot of sense now. Sheesh, someone needs to tell homegirl that she can date someone who wasn't on her season. duh

If you listen to what Peter actually said that Hannah said to him on the podcast after the first night of the finale, it was that she was living in the same area of Los Angeles that he was. He asked her to meet up at some point in the future and she said sure. He interpreted this as her asking him to restart their relationship laugh out loud and then was shocked that she asked Tyler out the next day.

IMO, it sounds like Peter's ego was hurt and now he's trying to soothe himself (and the public laugh out loud) by telling everyone he was Hannah's real 2nd choice.

Hannah was flirting up a storm on ATFR with Peter so I think it was more than Peter saving face. I’ve always believed Peter was her true F2 (F3 if we count Luke). We know leads often eliminate their true F2 early to make it easier on them and the producers would have encouraged that because Peter was clearly the Bachelor front runner. IMO, Hannah was MUCH more emotional letting Peter go. Despite the dramatic getting out of the car and falling theatrics, Hannah didn’t seem all that torn up to me when Tyler left. America fell in love with Tyler and then hot mess Hannah decided she was too, laugh out loud. Although Hannah being Hannah, that didn’t stop her from blabbing about the windmill to all of America. Whether Tyler was F2, F3, or F4, he clearly wasn’t her choice and Tyler was smart enough not to choose her ATFR too.

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