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F1, F2, F3, and F4 Speculation - Thread #1

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Re: F1, F2, F3, and F4 Speculation - Thread #1

Post by allykat on Sat Jun 25, 2011 12:35 am

Something I noticed is that her private time with JP always seems more private and intimate. During their SQT on group dates and rose ceremonies they tend to go somewhere different, away from prying eyes. All the other guys are shown on the same basic couch set up, but with JP she’s on a beach or at the base of some grand stair case. Since their 1-1, their quality time is usually shown away from everyone else, in their own little world. Maybe that's his doing and not her preference, but it stands out to me.

And in her PI when she says “I really like JP and want him to know that I want him here”, it kind of reminded me of Brad and Emily when he did the RC picnic and said he wanted her to know he was thinking of her. BTW - did anyone notice that she was wearing her dress from the group date when she said that?

Then there is the fact that he’s the only one she tells about Bentley privately.

They are only showing the chemistry and the physical with JP, and are showing the flirting and sweetness with Ben, but when you actually compare how special her time is with each it just seems like it’s different with JP. JMO

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Re: F1, F2, F3, and F4 Speculation - Thread #1

Post by emusha on Sat Jun 25, 2011 12:23 am

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She doesn't have to work to win JP, he's already told her he's not going anywhere -- he's all in. Same thing Chantal told Brad about halfway through the season.

right EXACTLY and we know how that turned out ...I just hope Ashley is mature enough to understand which guy is her best fit and she would have the best relationship with not just go chasing after the less attainable one like she's doing with bentley... many people fall in that trap and that is why 'the dating GAME' works...

if she does choose ben F I hope he is eventually as into her as she would be of him.
One pro for JP with regards to his openness is - the more open and vulnerable he is the better he's able to build real intimacy with her and allow HER to be more vulnerable with him - and that's one of the things she said she wants her man to give her

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Re: F1, F2, F3, and F4 Speculation - Thread #1

Post by Guest on Sat Jun 25, 2011 12:15 am

@emusha wrote:I do think Ben makes her work for it a bit more and we do know people value things they work for more than things they can take for granted...I would imagine Ben and his slight bit of hesitation making Ashley nervous about him returning her feelings equally compared to JP that's showering her with assurances about his desire and how he hasn't stopped thinking about her since his last date (Ashley's not really falling for him at the same rate JP is from what we see with Bentley and all)...depends what kind of girl Ashley is I guess whether this would influence her positively or negatively for either guy

I would be looking closely at her behavior around JP during their 1:1 to compare to her eager flirtation with Ben F during their 1:1 last week. I haven't seen Ashley being as eager with JP outside of physical (kissing) or seeking reassurances he would stay... JP is almost her comfort spot -- and which girl that's crazy about a guy would dress down like she did in front of JP on their first date and simply be nonchalant about it and not fiddle while worrying what he thinks of her (it almost reminds of ChrisL and Ali's date in NY and her being sick and in PJs)

I don't know-- right now I don't think I'm seeing too much out of loving the physical chemistry and the kind of attention JP gives her...whereas with Ben F *she* is seeking him out and making extra effort to grab his attention and flirt...

She doesn't have to work to win JP, he's already told her he's not going anywhere -- he's all in. Same thing Chantal told Brad about halfway through the season.

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Re: F1, F2, F3, and F4 Speculation - Thread #1

Post by emusha on Sat Jun 25, 2011 12:04 am

I do think Ben makes her work for it a bit more and we do know people value things they work for more than things they can take for granted...I would imagine Ben and his slight bit of hesitation making Ashley nervous about him returning her feelings equally compared to JP that's showering her with assurances about his desire and how he hasn't stopped thinking about her since his last date (Ashley's not really falling for him at the same rate JP is from what we see with Bentley and all)...depends what kind of girl Ashley is I guess whether this would influence her positively or negatively for either guy

I would be looking closely at her behavior around JP during their 1:1 to compare to her eager flirtation with Ben F during their 1:1 last week. I haven't seen Ashley being as eager with JP outside of physical (kissing) or seeking reassurances he would stay... JP is almost her comfort spot -- and which girl that's crazy about a guy would dress down like she did in front of JP on their first date and simply be nonchalant about it and not fiddle while worrying what he thinks of her (it almost reminds of ChrisL and Ali's date in NY and her being sick and in PJs)

I don't know-- right now I don't think I'm seeing too much out of loving the physical chemistry and the kind of attention JP gives her...whereas with Ben F *she* is seeking him out and making extra effort to grab his attention and flirt...

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Re: F1, F2, F3, and F4 Speculation - Thread #1

Post by Guest on Fri Jun 24, 2011 11:15 pm

The lead always like the F2 alot, that's why he's F2, but they fall in love with the F1, whichever guy it is, JP or Ben F.

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Re: F1, F2, F3, and F4 Speculation - Thread #1

Post by CHO on Fri Jun 24, 2011 11:06 pm

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:I am not convinced JP is the final one ...
Too obvious.
She apparently is so obsessed with Bentley - does she suddenly realize that she likes JP? It's possible but I think more likely that she didn't realize the potential of some of the others - ie Ben.
JP is not invited on the Dance Show group date - dancing is so important to her.
Flipping a coin for a date. Flipping a coin for a kiss - cute but ...........
Falling asleep with JP - first date - shouldn't there be something to talk about - shouldn't she want to get to know him. I know she was exhausted but ...................

She "owes" him a good one on one. How about her wanting to take him on a romantic one on one ?
I agree she is attracted to JP - and he makes her feel good; he comforts her. I am not sure what Ashley needs - does she really need all this comforting. Does she need a stronger type - someone a little aggressive - a little fighting instinct? Perhaps Ben is too laid back but I see his personality more calming and compatible with Ashley's. I think after the glow has worn off that JP and Ashley could be too much alike.


Not to get carried away but I keep thinking of things --

When Ben says in front of the temple (the no kissing scene) that he likes the way things are headed - she says "me too" and they both smile at each other. This seemed like a sincere interchange - her answer was soft and she didn't turn away.
When Ben tells her right before they walk toward the dinner setting - that every time he thinks it's good - it gets better. Again she agrees in, I thought, a very sincere tone of voice.

Somehow if she was always hanging around JP, I think Ben would have noticed this. It may be that the producers are emphasizing this to throw us off - I remember the camera always panning on Danielle in the Andy Baldwin show. It fooled me ! Ben just doesn't seem to be worried at all - just seems happy. I also think if she was obviously favoring JP - she wouldn't have a show. Her job is to keep them all guessing - and I would think this is pretty stressful !


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Re: F1, F2, F3, and F4 Speculation - Thread #1

Post by Guest on Fri Jun 24, 2011 8:07 pm

@Love_Me wrote:The good news for JP is Ashley said she likes to be the better dancer in a relationship and couldn't handle her boyfriend being a better one then her.
Well, good, I hadn't heard that. So that makes JP...Just Perfect. rofl

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Post by Love_Me on Fri Jun 24, 2011 7:55 pm

The good news for JP is Ashley said she likes to be the better dancer in a relationship and couldn't handle her boyfriend being a better one then her. [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]

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Re: F1, F2, F3, and F4 Speculation - Thread #1

Post by JBF on Fri Jun 24, 2011 6:49 pm

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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:I am not convinced JP is the final one ...
Too obvious.
She apparently is so obsessed with Bentley - does she suddenly realize that she likes JP? It's possible but I think more likely that she didn't realize the potential of some of the others - ie Ben.
JP is not invited on the Dance Show group date - dancing is so important to her.
Flipping a coin for a date. Flipping a coin for a kiss - cute but ...........
Falling asleep with JP - first date - shouldn't there be something to talk about - shouldn't she want to get to know him. I know she was exhausted but ...................

She "owes" him a good one on one. How about her wanting to take him on a romantic one on one ?
I agree she is attracted to JP - and he makes her feel good; he comforts her. I am not sure what Ashley needs - does she really need all this comforting. Does she need a stronger type - someone a little aggressive - a little fighting instinct? Perhaps Ben is too laid back but I see his personality more calming and compatible with Ashley's. I think after the glow has worn off that JP and Ashley could be too much alike.
Re the bolded/underlined, and assuming JP is F1 ~ NO she didn't suddenly realize she liked JP, he was always the front runner, but Bentley messed with her head. At one point (all the fake comforting Bent did at the Roast, etc), he could have been neck and neck with JP. But the more time she spends with JP, and he has a comforting nature too, she realizes he's the one and he's back to front runner and has been since the beach/sand/kissing/umbrella. She has said in many interviews her F1 "made her feel like a woman", "made her feel sexy again". He is also her rock and said "he's not leaving", her other fear.

Could Ben be her F1..maybe, I keep an open mind, and he's also a great guy. Do I think he is her F1..no, I believe it's JP.
And she can teach JP how to dance, it's a very minor thing.

Ha ha! The motherboard purposely included that in his bio profile knowing fully well how viewers would see how dancing was important to her and fool them into thinking he can't possibly be the one. Ben and Constantine were shown SUPERVISING the dances and helping with the "themes" and Ben's team won.

Oh... one more thing.

If the dance group date in Las Vegas was THAT important, why were we denied seeing Ben's 1 on 1 with her?

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Re: F1, F2, F3, and F4 Speculation - Thread #1

Post by Guest on Fri Jun 24, 2011 6:09 pm

@CHO wrote:I am not convinced JP is the final one ...
Too obvious.
She apparently is so obsessed with Bentley - does she suddenly realize that she likes JP? It's possible but I think more likely that she didn't realize the potential of some of the others - ie Ben.
JP is not invited on the Dance Show group date - dancing is so important to her.
Flipping a coin for a date. Flipping a coin for a kiss - cute but ...........
Falling asleep with JP - first date - shouldn't there be something to talk about - shouldn't she want to get to know him. I know she was exhausted but ...................

She "owes" him a good one on one. How about her wanting to take him on a romantic one on one ?
I agree she is attracted to JP - and he makes her feel good; he comforts her. I am not sure what Ashley needs - does she really need all this comforting. Does she need a stronger type - someone a little aggressive - a little fighting instinct? Perhaps Ben is too laid back but I see his personality more calming and compatible with Ashley's. I think after the glow has worn off that JP and Ashley could be too much alike.
Re the bolded/underlined, and assuming JP is F1 ~ NO she didn't suddenly realize she liked JP, he was always the front runner, but Bentley messed with her head. At one point (all the fake comforting Bent did at the Roast, etc), he could have been neck and neck with JP. But the more time she spends with JP, and he has a comforting nature too, she realizes he's the one and he's back to front runner and has been since the beach/sand/kissing/umbrella. She has said in many interviews her F1 "made her feel like a woman", "made her feel sexy again". He is also her rock and said "he's not leaving", her other fear.

Could Ben be her F1..maybe, I keep an open mind, and he's also a great guy. Do I think he is her F1..no, I believe it's JP.
And she can teach JP how to dance, it's a very minor thing.

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Re: F1, F2, F3, and F4 Speculation - Thread #1

Post by agentcurls on Fri Jun 24, 2011 6:00 pm

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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:IMO it is always better to keep an open mind. Sometimes the simplest answer is the correct one, but this show has you thinking someone is the F1 one minute and then by the end of the next episode you are doubting everything you believed in.

If JP is the F1 then TPTB are sticking to a formula they have been using for several seasons. The person who gets a 1-1 date in episode 3 has a pretty good shot at being the F1. JMO

ITA. Keeping an open mind is great and makes life easier come FRC time.

Right now though, I can't imagine Ashley's F1 being anyone not named JP. There are too many clues in the show and too many clues post-show for me to think she's not engaged to him.

I agree with Bronwyn that they're showing the lovestory because although the casual viewers aren't noticing it now, they'll be able to go back and pick up on all the little clues after the finale. If the spoilers are wrong, I think TPTB have really dropped the ball here because they have a scenario they seem to love to play out with their Bettes- the woman being "rescued." They have the perfect setup right here and the only one who fits is JP.

I agree, Alanna.

Most unspolied viewers I've heard from & those on other MBs think JP is being propped up for next bachelor. They think Ben F has it in the bag.

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Post by Alanna on Fri Jun 24, 2011 5:48 pm

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:IMO it is always better to keep an open mind. Sometimes the simplest answer is the correct one, but this show has you thinking someone is the F1 one minute and then by the end of the next episode you are doubting everything you believed in.

If JP is the F1 then TPTB are sticking to a formula they have been using for several seasons. The person who gets a 1-1 date in episode 3 has a pretty good shot at being the F1. JMO

ITA. Keeping an open mind is great and makes life easier come FRC time.

Right now though, I can't imagine Ashley's F1 being anyone not named JP. There are too many clues in the show and too many clues post-show for me to think she's not engaged to him.

I agree with Bronwyn that they're showing the lovestory because although the casual viewers aren't noticing it now, they'll be able to go back and pick up on all the little clues after the finale. If the spoilers are wrong, I think TPTB have really dropped the ball here because they have a scenario they seem to love to play out with their Bettes- the woman being "rescued." They have the perfect setup right here and the only one who fits is JP.

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