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Garrett Yrigoyen - *Sleuthing Spoilers* - #2
Sharleen is queen IMO....she responded to folks in her Pretty Panda recap, long commentary but worth the read IMO. As we know she recaps the show spoiler free. Just posting here not to re-hash the issue but for folks to know that she did address the issue already as some of us thought she would only do so after the show has finished airing in August.————————————————————————————————————————————————————————-
Hi all! Thank you for your thoughtful, intelligent commentary.
Juls, I COMPLETELY agree with everything you said about Jordan, Jake, and Clay.
As for Garrett, I'm so happy it has been brought up here. As I've stressed over the years, I make a huge effort to only recap what we SEE on television, not what we hear behind the scenes. (Particularly considering I sometimes hear a lot of behind-the-scenes stuff that doesn't go public like Garrett's social media history has.) This is more challenging some seasons than others.
Obviously I couldn't disagree more with (what appears to be) Garrett's beliefs, and while I think his statement was well-written, my issue with it was how it minimized the act of “liking” and his knowledge of how "liking" a photo or statement supports it. I DO believe that he could've underestimated the extent to which people would suddenly take interest in him and his social media activity (I think there's a difference between objectively knowing you COULD become famous overnight and actually planning on and preparing for it) but that still doesn't really address the fact that he "liked” that content. If it were just couple of photos, or if it were a long time ago, maybe there'd be a little wiggle room. But unless he's "mindlessly liking" every. single. photo. in his feed (which I sincerely doubt), he's showing SPECIFIC support for what he does "like". And it's not like the guy's of some generation that doesn't understand social media; he's 29, pretty much the prime for Instagram and social media in general. He may not be so involved in it to know his "likes" can be tracked by strangers, but he's involved enough to know that "liking" something MUST in some way support it. I mean, it's LITERALLY called "liking". OR you tap a heart symbol! How much more literal could it be??
Max, I agree that possibly the biggest issue is that these things were not dug up from a distant past. To compare Garrett to Lee (from Rachel's season, and whose last name is coincidentally Garrett), I know the major difference here was that Garrett was passively "liking" content versus Lee's proactive tweeting, but at least in Lee's case you could ATTEMPT to argue that a few years had passed and he'd turned over a new leaf. Max, I'm not sure I agree that a couple can't work with vastly different political views (I know of precisely two couples where this is the case and their relationships are somehow intact) but it certainly doesn't help things. Especially considering, IF Becca ends up with Garrett, how famously hard the post-filming period is for the final couples, and that's WITHOUT these complications.
Elizabeth, I think social media is constantly changing not only how powerful appearing on this show can be, but also how the casting/vetting process evolves. For example, I doubt that before Lee Garrett the Powers That Be felt the need to scroll back over years' worth of tweets. (I'm sure it hadn't even occurred to them; the focus in my day was more on whether or not you'd been arrested, had done porn, or had exes with a bone to pick with you.) And I wouldn't be surprised if those Powers That Be have since gone over past tweets. But now it appears they'd have to go into that next layer of "like" history. I honestly think they're learning along with all of us.
Chantal, my desire to "play nice" (which honestly I'm not sure I've even done here) is more about Becca than the franchise. Look, this is moot if she doesn't pick Garrett, but based on the premiere episode I'd say there's a reasonable chance she does (given the Night One edit and this show's history with Bachelorettes ultimately, and successfully, choosing their FIR recipients). I think Becca's already been majorly ******(excuse my French) by this franchise (I don't think giving her Bachelorette makes up for the psychological damage done to her) and the last thing I'd want is for her to endure any additional trauma. And while I am wholeheartedly #TeamBecca (and I agree with her on all her political beliefs as well), I do agree that her statement missed the mark. This was well expressed in the Flare article Juls referenced: "While at first, this seems like an admirable sentiment—yay freedom of speech and not judging without all the facts—there is a certain irony to Becca asking her audience to “stay open-minded to everyone” when the contestant she is kinda-sorta defending is being accused of liking posts—and, ultimately views—that are the definition of close-minded and hateful towards certain demographics, such as LGBTQ and immigrant communities." (The article is here: http://www.flare.com/bachelor/becca-garrett-bachelorette-social-media/) I feel terrible for Becca as I think she’s in an awful position; I’m not really sure there is a statement she could give that would please all parties.
At any rate, I will try to recap based on what we see onscreen, and I will attempt to maintain an open mind about Garrett (though it may be challenging at times). I do appreciate that he gave a statement at all and that it wasn't just filled with cop-outs (eg. claiming his account had been hacked or something), which was my fear. I would like to imagine that maybe, just maybe, he WAS merely ignorant and that he really is learning and growing from this. In short, I'm making an effort to view him with the same open-mindedness I would like him to use for others.
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- on Fri Jun 08, 2018 8:23 pm
- Search in: Bachelorette 14 - Becca Kufrin - Contestants
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Bachelorette 14 - Becca Kufrin - F1-F4 - Discussion - *Sleuthing Spoilers*
Joy15 wrote:I am all for premature fun guesses, pure yet reasonable speculations and early fandom
My predictions :
F1- Ryan = the real wuv story of the season, yet being hidden as per usual. Dark horse edit with "hard to open up/being vulnerable" theme. (partially bc i've seen great connection at ATFR, partially bc i am a big Ryan Sutter fan..and he gave me Sutter's vibe--wishful thinking ? )
F2- Garrett= the in yo face wuv story, the edited strongest connection, the hot and heavy from the get go (ahemm..as per circulated vids and pics on that public concert), the expected F1 (cue: FIR, as in the past 3 seasons) - ala Nick-Andi (mind y'all , Nick was FIR's recipient ), Peter-Rachel JMO.
F3- either Colton or Christon = depends on who's better in"auditioning" to be the next Charming Bachelor . I lean more toward Christon bc he seems more age appropriate for the role, a recognized athlete, plus, he is an African American (this would be the first for TB role) . Triple win for MF, IMO (I mean, if Kaitlyn could fake "it" with Ben H just so he could be the next TB, i'm sure BK could do it too... JMO)
F4- Blake = the sweet guy with romantic potential there, but not enough to be the F1. (yet i think Blake is replaceable though. If there is any other more interesting cast, i can see TPTB use their power to secure the said cast in the F4 . Kendall anyone? )
JMHOAA
oh i pray for this love story! i hope you are right @mprssdbyu i too have watched the atfr meet and greet between ryan and becca a zillion times and he just gets cuter and cuter(i swear i know the song now of by heart ) but after seeing garrett and her in action i find that they are so cute as well! i will stick with #teambecca this season as much as i want to be #teamryan
- on Thu Mar 29, 2018 12:12 am
- Search in: Bachelorette 14 - Becca Kufrin - Contestants
- Topic: Bachelorette 14 - Becca Kufrin - F1-F4 - Discussion - *Sleuthing Spoilers*
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Bachelorette 14 - Becca Kufrin - F1-F4 - Discussion - *Sleuthing Spoilers*
LeapofFaith wrote:just me wrote:How many episodes are usually on the Bachelorette?
i am going to guess about 12? including MTA? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bachelorette
just cause i am going to guess ryan, garrett, colton and chris staples in final 4 (not necessarily in that order) but i hope Ryan makes it to final 4 just so i can see his pet pig!!! and i really really hope Becca finds her HEA! i am #teambecca this season!
Thank you. I agree concerning Ryan and Garrett. Also, I think she had a real connection with Blake. There is still a number of guys we do not know about yet. I will be real surprised if it is an actor, model,fitness teacher or sports star.That eliminates a number we already know about.
- on Wed Mar 28, 2018 10:12 pm
- Search in: Bachelorette 14 - Becca Kufrin - Contestants
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Bachelorette 14 - Becca Kufrin - F1-F4 - Discussion - *Sleuthing Spoilers*
@LeapofFaith #TeamBecca too! As long as he treats her right, I can get on board with anyone! I'm hoping for Ryan to make hometowns too though!I'll make a F4 prediction too, just for fun!
Garrett, Ryan, Blake, Colton (Nick is my 5th guy).
- on Wed Mar 28, 2018 10:08 pm
- Search in: Bachelorette 14 - Becca Kufrin - Contestants
- Topic: Bachelorette 14 - Becca Kufrin - F1-F4 - Discussion - *Sleuthing Spoilers*
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Bachelorette 14 - Becca Kufrin - F1-F4 - Discussion - *Sleuthing Spoilers*
just me wrote:How many episodes are usually on the Bachelorette?
i am going to guess about 12? including MTA? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bachelorette
just cause i am going to guess ryan, garrett, colton and chris staples in final 4 (not necessarily in that order) but i hope Ryan makes it to final 4 just so i can see his pet pig!!! and i really really hope Becca finds her HEA! i am #teambecca this season!
- on Wed Mar 28, 2018 9:39 pm
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- Topic: Bachelorette 14 - Becca Kufrin - F1-F4 - Discussion - *Sleuthing Spoilers*
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Arie Luyendyk Jr - Lauren Burnham - Bachelor 22 - Discussion
sdmom wrote:Can I be #TeamLarie and #TeamBecca at the same time? I am also #TeamRnB #TeamNick, and most importantly #TeamBBF
Nah you have to choose or else we'll throw you in the pit of misery
- on Fri Mar 09, 2018 3:24 pm
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Arie Luyendyk Jr - Lauren Burnham - Bachelor 22 - Discussion
Rolly wrote:sdmom wrote:Can I be #TeamLarie and #TeamBecca at the same time? I am also #TeamRnB #TeamNick, and most importantly #TeamBBF
Who is #TeamBBF?
This board. Us.
- on Fri Mar 09, 2018 3:21 pm
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Arie Luyendyk Jr - Lauren Burnham - Bachelor 22 - Discussion
sdmom wrote:Can I be #TeamLarie and #TeamBecca at the same time? I am also #TeamRnB #TeamNick, and most importantly #TeamBBF
Who is #TeamBBF?
- on Fri Mar 09, 2018 3:15 pm
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Arie Luyendyk Jr - Lauren Burnham - Bachelor 22 - Discussion
Can I be #TeamLarie and #TeamBecca at the same time? I am also #TeamRnB #TeamNick, and most importantly #TeamBBF- on Fri Mar 09, 2018 3:11 pm
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Bachelorette 14 - Becca Kufrin - Media SM - Discussion - *Sleuthing Spoilers*
We dare Arie to drive fast through Shakopee, MN. See what happens.. We’re on March 6, 2018
- on Wed Mar 07, 2018 8:44 pm
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Bachelor 22 - Arie Luyendyk Jr - SM Media - *Sleuthing Spoilers* - #6
This is the actual person who sat next to Arie and saw him texting Lauren.March 7, 2018
- on Wed Mar 07, 2018 8:23 pm
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Arie Luyendyk Jr - Lauren Burnham - Bachelor 22 - Discussion
This is the actual person who sat next to ArieMarch 7, 2018
- on Wed Mar 07, 2018 8:22 pm
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