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Post by Kashathediva Thu Jul 30, 2015 10:37 am

Per Lucas15
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"But he didn't stay in his "normal life" - he struck up an online friendship / flirtation with a woman in consideration for the role of the next bachelorette and when given the opportunity to go on her show - he did."


The thing is that is a normal life for anyone who came out of this franchise and is done by millions of people with acquaintances all the time who have nothing to do with this franchise.
As far as her being considered for the 'Ette at that time, when they first started contact she was airing on TB. She was not being publicly considered for the 'Ette role and it was not until months later that was solidified.
I don't see him doing anything so many do.


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Post by mysthelma Thu Jul 30, 2015 10:38 am

Well I think anyone in this franchise will take the opportunity, whatever happens or don't is secondary, I think he is very much aware of the producer machinations, story board and potential not favourable edit but that hasn't stop any one who has taken the lead role. Well it's his choice we can have our opinion of pros and cons why he should of shouldn't. He can want the role but if he is not offered he won't get. Is also up to tptb who they end up giving it to.


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Post by sdmom Thu Jul 30, 2015 10:49 am

Just curious, was Sean Lowe accused of fame chasing when he did 3 shows in a row?


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Post by GuardianAngel Thu Jul 30, 2015 10:50 am

The previous 'ette season ended around the same time last year. Nick went back to his normal life after he was bombarded with media requests. He didn't adverstise himself as being on the 'ette like so many do. He did some charity, promoted charity events, and there were a ton of fan pics, still are.

Meeting someone online, striking up a conversation 6 months later, which in today's day and age is the most popular way of meeting people, IMO is not seeking fame. They all have friends in the Bach family, I'm sure he has spoken to more than one female.

Sleuthers here followed every move during that time. K was speculated as being the next lead along with Britt who also had a strong following when sleuthers picked up on the SM flirting. I'm sure back in Jan 2015, Nick didn't know that Kaitlyn was for sure going to be the bachelorette.

K goes on JK and sends hand signals to Nick who replies via Twitter, among other things that has been revealed now, face time, etc, IMO is an indication, she didn't mind being pursed at all even when at that time she knew it was between her and Britt.


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Post by 2observe Thu Jul 30, 2015 10:55 am

Kashathediva wrote:Per Lucas15
*snipped*
"But he didn't stay in his "normal life" - he struck up an online friendship / flirtation with a woman in consideration for the role of the next bachelorette and when given the opportunity to go on her show - he did."

The thing is that is a normal life for anyone who came out of this franchise and is done by millions of people with acquaintances all the time who have nothing to do with this franchise.
As far as her being considered for the 'Ette at that time, when they first started contact she was airing on TB. She was not being publicly considered for the 'Ette role and it was not until months later that was solidified.
I don't see him doing anything so many do.
To add to your post Kasha, I remember reading that Kaitlyn was the one who initiated contact with Nick. So I just don't get how people are saying that Nick pursued Kaitlyn as a bid to become the next bachelor lead. scratch
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Post by AllAboutLove Thu Jul 30, 2015 11:11 am

Lucas15 wrote:
IMO the only sure thing Nick would get out of being The Bachelor is a lot of attention and a very slim chance he would find love out of the experience.
teamnick - Nick Viall - Bachelorette 11 - *Spoilers - Sleuthing* - Discussion #6 - Page 45 3806527698 That sentence describes every single person that is the lead for this show. :yes:

But I will add this: Although this is true of Nick and every other person wanting the lead position there is evidence that Nick has something that very few people from this show have.

Like him, don't like him, people seem compelled to talk about him and watch his move and analyze him. His name alone is what gets other leads and F1s in the headlines.

I know what that is... that is a star... it is the "it" factor that Nick has when people are compelled to talk about him - good, bad, doesn't matter -- they cannot refrain from talking (not the past lead/F1 or the current F1 even though his lead has done her best not to he keeps going for her).

More than just talk, I think Nick will walk the walk. I think Nick would prove all the those who are not fans wrong if he is lead about him being able to find love. I will bet the farm that Kaitlyn wanted to plow that if Nick is lead he will have the best ratings ever for his season on this show and likely be the 2nd guy ever to marry his F1.

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Post by BlackHalo Thu Jul 30, 2015 11:25 am

Lucas15 wrote:
mysthelma wrote:I mean Nick was accused of chasing fame last year even when he went back to his normal life.

One is that doing the job of the lead is thankless, and whatever "fan love" might exist for a candidate fades fast into the drama and hypocrisy that are part of the job. Whatever fan love Nick has now is likely to vanish quickly as the lead. And the lead is expendable anyway - once in that role the show is going to focus on a continuing story line for the next lead - not a happy ending for the current lead.

Another is that the show hasn't done Nick any favors - especially this season - they engineered a situation where he got dumped in the middle of a proposal and to a certain extent made him look like a joke. How bad could they make him look as the lead. Does Ben F's season come to mind where the lead picked the biggest villain? The show can make anyone the biggest villain - why should Nick put himself into the hands of the producers - again?

Another is that the drama and controversy that has made Nick "ratings gold" surrounds sex and the complications surrounding sex in dating situations. IMO sex would be front and center again on a "Nick" show only from the opposite side of the coin from Kaitlyn's season - but regardless of what complexity sex would introduce or how they would play it we would get another season where controversy over sex would dominate the season.

And another is that unwittingly Nick could have written his own story line when he joked that as lead he might fall in love with someone who doesn't love him back. If I were in story production I'd be writing how to make that happen as we speak so that casting could get me the right people for that very story line.

IMO the only sure thing Nick would get out of being The Bachelor is a lot of attention and a very slim chance he would find love out of the experience.
JMHO
:yes: Special snowflake Nick knows all of this yet here we are. IMO he cares more about the attention he can garner from this than his reputation that has already been compromised after two seasons of this mess. Any love he is getting right now? Gone once he makes one wrong step. I was actually fooled thinking that this guy wanted to do this strictly for Kaitlyn and get back to his normal life but now he is campaigning harder than the actual frontrunners for the gig. scratch  I'm actually hoping that he gets it so the burden doesn't lay on someone I like.

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Post by FLChica Thu Jul 30, 2015 11:30 am

sdmom wrote: Just curious, was Sean Lowe accused of fame chasing when he did 3 shows in a row? 
I've observed that different rules are applied to former contestants of this show. I've seen countless pages of justification for the Lowes' participation on three shows in a row. 

Nick + 2 shows = fame chaser

Lowes + Bachelorette + Bachelor + countless Bach interviews + televised wedding + blogs + book + paid appearances which re: Bach + live tweeting shows + Family Feud + Celebrity Wife Swap + Marriage Bootcamp = a light to the world

Sean did graciously allow Nick to post his thoughts on pre-marital sex on his blog. Surely that was not in any way self-serving on Sean's part to draw readers to his blog. I don't envision Nick ever becoming a universally well-loved, actions defended ex-contestant. I think Nick is o.k. with that. IMHO.


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Post by mysthelma Thu Jul 30, 2015 11:33 am

"Lucas wrote
One is that doing the job of the lead is thankless, and whatever "fan love" might exist for a candidate fades fast into the drama and hypocrisy that are part of the job. Whatever fan love Nick has now is likely to vanish quickly as the lead. And the lead is expendable anyway - once in that role the show is going to focus on a continuing story line for the next lead - not a happy ending for the current lead."


But Lucas this is not going to be peculiar to Nick, it's how the show works and that's the nature if the beast regardless of who the lead is. And there is a probability of finding love if one is lucky


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Post by OnePromise Thu Jul 30, 2015 11:34 am

I think that Nick went on the show only for Kaitlyn. His demeanor on the show and in post show interviews is clear to me. However, now that she broke his heart and he has made peace with it, he would be crazy to push aside any legitimate opportunities that come his way as a result of his misfortune. And one thing I know... Nick is one smart cookie... Why would he pass up something positive to come out his appearance on the show? He wouldn't and shouldn't IMO.

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Post by Kashathediva Thu Jul 30, 2015 11:34 am

Please (said in my nicest voice)
Keep this topic on Nick.
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Post by BlackHalo Thu Jul 30, 2015 11:38 am

OnePromise wrote:I think that Nick went on the show only for Kaitlyn.  His demeanor on the show and in post show interviews is clear to me.  However, now that she broke his heart and he has made peace with it, he would be crazy to push aside any legitimate opportunities that come his way as a result of his misfortune.  And one thing I know... Nick is one smart cookie... Why would he pass up something positive to come out his appearance on the show?  He wouldn't and shouldn't IMO.  
Other than the paycheck, I don't see being TB as anything positive. Especially not for a guy that has been burned by the show before. JMO. But hey, if he wants it that badly, have at it! :Woah-hoo:

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