Nick Viall - Bachelor 21 - Episode 7 Feb 13 - *Sleuthing Spoilers*

Could it be Rachels? Or doesn't she have a one- and one again? Maybe her getting one so soon again made Vanessa react on it?

Rachel's is the last one that filmed, according to RS, but Danielle M's is also pretty low-key (riding bikes and talking to locals, apparently) so both could have been done last minute. I could see either one. Rachel to give Nick reassurance that the process is working after he dumps Danielle m, or Danielle M to force Nick to make tough decisions and not just keep on coasting. IMO.

Rachel's dive bar date seems too chill to shake things up. I'm guessing its Danielle's since she's sent home on that date.

If it was actually Nick, that would make me question the spoiler about Vanessa as F1. I guess we'll have to see what happens...

I wouldn't, even if Nick is the one who made the decision and instead it would further explain how Rachel ended up F3 when he seemed so into her versus Raven. To me, if Nick requested the date it's probably because he was feeling unsure or questioning regarding Rachel, especially so close to HTD.

Not necessarily even his feelings but maybe hers considering her reaction on the group date. So it's possible he wanted to really see if they just had an amazing date or there was something really special there. That said, the wording of the article makes it seem like it was the producers' idea.

Also, I wouldn't pay attention to Chris Harrison's comment because like I said on Monday, it's clear the storyline building for the season is whether or not Nick ends up alone. It's like it's not even about which woman will he choose but whether or not he ends up with no one. So all the media/promos/etc. in the weeks leading to the finale will try to create those doubts in my opinion.

Cila51290 wrote:

Seabear wrote:CH talks about the Bimini episode here.
www.eonline.com/news/826791/chris-harrison-teases-major-bachelor-shake-up-that-will-rattle-nick-viall

"There's an extra date that we throw in, that we thought was a good thing," Harrison explains. "I think in the end it might be, but it definitely kind of rocks his boat a little bit. You'll see—there's a huge shift. He's kind of been cruising up to this point. He will be cruising no longer after this."

Hmm...I wonder what date that is??

You mean them sending Corrine to his hotel room?  Ha.  Just kidding...maybe.

coolangel wrote:

Cila51290 wrote:

Seabear wrote:CH talks about the Bimini episode here.
www.eonline.com/news/826791/chris-harrison-teases-major-bachelor-shake-up-that-will-rattle-nick-viall

"There's an extra date that we throw in, that we thought was a good thing," Harrison explains. "I think in the end it might be, but it definitely kind of rocks his boat a little bit. You'll see—there's a huge shift. He's kind of been cruising up to this point. He will be cruising no longer after this."

Hmm...I wonder what date that is??

I think it's Danielle M's date. He hasn't sent anyone home from a 1-1 yet. I think the show will play it as the symbolic moment when Nick stops cruising (I personally don't think he has been doing that but whatever). He sends Danielle home and comes back and sends Kristina home. No RC and everyone remaining gets HTD's based on spoilers. Have they ever had no RC before the final F4? I think that is the 'major bachelor shakeup' CH is teasing. JMO.

I disagree about Nick (I think he's cruising along), but I do think the shakeup is with Danielle M.  Perhaps, she had the thrown in date.

Cila51290 wrote:Rachel's dive bar date seems too chill to shake things up. I'm guessing its Danielle's since she's sent home on that date.

I agree.  I think it's Danielle M. that got a date thrown in.

Lara wrote:Rachel's is the last one that filmed, according to RS, but Danielle M's is also pretty low-key (riding bikes and talking to locals, apparently) so both could have been done last minute. I could see either one. Rachel to give Nick reassurance that the process is working after he dumps Danielle m, or Danielle M to force Nick to make tough decisions and not just keep on coasting. IMO.

Why would he need reassurance, if the date went well with Vanessa?

Danielle M- is it just me or is there actually zero connection with them. I have seen so little footage of them together its hard to judge but out of all the girls I just cannot see him into her in any way. She seems a great pal to Vanessa but as a romantic person I see her as being guarded and having the same anxious face on in every scene. Plus- she's a blonde. I mean - how had she got to this late stage?

What if "rocks his boat" is a clue? jk
His date with V certainly had that.

allykat wrote:Pure speculation, but I would guess the 'thrown in' date was with Rachel. Isn't her 1-1 date going to a local dive bar? That seems less planned than the other dates, requiring yachts and such. Again, just speculating.

If that turns out to be the case, I would really like to know who actually made that decision. If it's TPTB, wonder why? If it was actually Nick, that would make me question the spoiler about Vanessa as F1. I guess we'll have to see what happens...

I have no doubt Vanessa is f1, Jmo. Both Rachel and Raven had sm activities on November 20 but Nick didn't return to US until 11/23. Hard for me to believe you will follow someone on sm while spending precious time with your lover. Besides, look at the date pictures he posts on IG. Vanessa's is the only one they are kissing. I don't think Nick will be so cruel if V is not f1.

So did RS actually say the final 4 elimination order or just that Vanessa is final 1? Did he say Corinne goes home then Rachel, leaving Raven final 2 & Vanessa final 1? Or just that Vanessa is final 1?

Yes he gave the order - Corinne F4, Rachel F3, Raven F2 and Nick and Vanessa got engaged.

I have no doubt about Vanessa being F1 not because of when there was social media activity but because of the stuff that's happened since filming ended. If Nick didn't pick Vanessa, in my opinion, based on what's been observed post-season, he certainly didn't pick Raven or Rachel either.

Luvstruck wrote:So did RS actually say the final 4 elimination order or just that Vanessa is final 1? Did he say Corinne goes home then Rachel, leaving Raven final 2 & Vanessa final 1? Or just that Vanessa is final 1?

He gave us order
F4 Corinne (sleuthers have pic proof she was home wile filming was on)
F3 Rachel
F2 Raven
F1 (circumstantial evidence to support, imo)
We still try to sleuth f2/f3 since only RS said so

Per RS, Vanessa's date is first. Then the group date, then Danielle M. and last was Rachel.