Nick Viall - Bachelor 21 - Episode 7 Feb 13 - *Sleuthing Spoilers*

He was asked in a reader email if he had heard negative things about her and he said yes. He also made fun of her bio on his podcast. @GuardianAngel

He didn't specify what negative things he heard about her? Oh sorry, maybe the number of rose tweets he got during filming, protected trashing Raven.

@bluwavz IMO Caila got it MUCH worse on SM from other contestants than Vanessa. They were openly mocking her for hearsay from the mouth of Amanda of all people. With Vanessa's case, so far it's just some confirmation of conflict from Corrine & Whitney, some Twitter likes/activity from Kristina and no follow back/delayed follow back from Rachel/DLo. Also - contestants siding with AI to me vastly differ from contestants siding with Rachel/DLo. The former is IMO an overdramatic, obsessed, immature ... person. The latter have come across as calm, sweet, low key women. All JMO.

bluwavz wrote:The more I think about it I still think Vanessa's edit is the most similar to Shawn's if I have to pick a past F1 edit that's most like hers. Vanessa's been called whiny and entitled and I remember a lot of folks saying the same thing about Shawn when he freaked about Kaitlyn giving Jared a GDR and both he and Vanessa wanted that reassurance and for the lead to tell them ILY which is understandable to me. I also think her situation is similar to Caila's on BiP. I don't think they're too similar in personality but I think the same thing is going on here. Most of the BiP cast disliked Caila and took Ashley I's side and said there were things that happened that we didn't see. That seems to be what's going on with Vanessa here too. Both rub a lot of folks the wrong way. I didn't think Caila or Shawn were bad people for how they acted on their seasons and I don't think Vanessa is either. JMO.

Well, since Vanessa has said her favorite couple is K and Shawn then she should take it as a compliment to be compared to him/the relatiosnhip.
One major difference to me though is that Vanessa has had to deal with a LOT less as F1 while filming than Shawn did (if looking at it from F1 perspective), IMO.

GuardianAngel wrote:He didn't specify what negative things he heard about her? Oh sorry, maybe the number of rose tweets he got during filming, protected trashing Raven.

He was asked about both Rachel and Raven and said yes to both. He never specifies when asked that question.

I don't really understand...he hasn't trashed anyone except Vanessa and Corinne. So, was he receiving info from all other 28 women? He's made fun of most of them.

GuardianAngel wrote:He didn't specify what negative things he heard about her? Oh sorry, maybe the number of rose tweets he got during filming, protected trashing Raven.

@GuardianAngel, Nope! He never specified what it was and also deleted the comments which were negative towards Raven calling them 'trolling' The funny part was on that same day, he had a reader email trashing James Taylor and RS had no problem putting that email up and even agreeing that he had heard similar tales about James T (from what I remember). So James T is fair game but for Raven, it's trolling.

Guess coz it's his site, he gets to decide who can be character-assassinated. All JMO.

Lara wrote:

GuardianAngel wrote:He didn't specify what negative things he heard about her? Oh sorry, maybe the number of rose tweets he got during filming, protected trashing Raven.

He was asked about both Rachel and Raven and said yes to both. He never specifies when asked that question.

I don't really understand...he hasn't trashed anyone except Vanessa and Corinne. So, was he receiving info from all other 28 women? He's made fun of most of them.

Well if he has negative info on Raven or anyone else why not post it? Why pick and choose who he's going to trash, I'm not asking, I'm just clarifying my POV.

coolangel wrote:

GuardianAngel wrote:He didn't specify what negative things he heard about her? Oh sorry, maybe the number of rose tweets he got during filming, protected trashing Raven.

@GuardianAngel, Nope! He never specified what it was and also deleted the comments which were negative towards Raven calling them 'trolling' The funny part was on that same day, he had a reader email trashing James Taylor and RS had no problem putting that email up and even agreeing that he had heard similar tales about James T (from what I remember). So James T is fair game but for Raven, it's trolling.

Guess coz it's his site, he gets to decide who can be character-assassinated. All JMO.

He decides by who feeds him. IMO it's that simple, because he's a scum bag who has no regard for anyone but himself. He actually deleted negative posts about Raven and took it upon himself to indicate it was a troll. Yeah ok.

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Indeed yes.
I am actually scared how much anger I am going to have after seeing MeAndi butt into this next episode.  Is there a large Andi Snark thread available that night because honestly I am already so irritated that she has again hitched onto this season, what a nerve! After how she actually treated Nick and after what she wrote in her book about him, what a nerve!!  I don't recall seeing Emily pop up on Sean's season to 'give advice' nor Ben pop up on JoJo's.  
Get the chill pills ready for Monday as ....... bleeep.

THIS! She has her book to think about, of course. God help me. If Nick takes this opportunity to give it back to her just one time during that scene, it will make the whole season of questions worth watching! It could easily be the best finale and my swan song watching this crazy show! I do hope Juan Pablo is on point!

@mprssdbyu please join me on the Andi thread next Tuesday.    
@guardianangel is there going to be a new MeAndi Snark thread or is it OK or 'It's NOT Okay' to just post in Andi's usual thread?    
I just checked and the past few pages of the Andi thread are snark based anyhow - what do you mean I seem to have posted a lot on there!.
Just preparing & I can only apologise for my comments in advance- I'll try and keep it clean.

Well I went to the dark side and looked at RS site the first time today. He had a question why news media wasn't making more of Raven's abuse of her boyfriend. He responded there is nothing to tell since there was no official police report by her or him. Evidently he checked police records trying to find something but came up empty handed.

Just a reminder, any SM during epi night, or that has anything to do with the current season, is posted in the Epi SPOILER thread and not in any individual contestants threads since they are not spoiler threads.

bluwavz wrote:@northernviewer @lleyki I actually agree with you both but when I read that Vanessa seemed whiny and entitled, Shawn (who I don't really mind) was the first person to come to mind when edit comparisons came up because yeah. Vanessa doesn't bother me.

No I totally got what you were saying and you're right, that is how Shawn was described. But it just made me realize how not whiny Vanessa has been IMO because I have seen a whiny and needy F1 - thy name is Shawn and Vanessa has in no way approached that level. IMO.

@TheWrongReasons I definitely agree Caila got it worse on SM and like I said I don't see much similarity in personality between the two women but I think the situations that happened are similar. The cast on BiP didn't like Caila and the cast on Nick's season didn't like Vanessa. Both were seen as shady and fake and things were cut out that didn't show the whole story. It's fine that folks feel that way, I'm just saying I don't think it necessarily makes Vanessa this awful person just because she wasn't well-liked in this situation. Maybe she was a bitch, maybe she wasn't. I do think something happened but I can't base my opinion on Vanessa from something I didn't see. It's very possible she was in the wrong but again I can't take a side. From the little we've been shown of Vanessa I think she's fine and I also like DLo (who I don't think is fake) and Rachel despite their differences with Vanessa. They're also my three favorites @coolangel.

All JMO.