Bachelorette 13 - Rachel Lindsay - SM Media - *Sleuthing Spoilers* Discussion - #14

ElonM wrote:

North wrote:

ElonM wrote:R&B out here promoting Alex for Bachelor and on the Ashley and Ben Podcast, Alex said it's a politically correct response. He's not interested. Mr&Mrs. Petty. .

Wait. Were all three on the Podcast? Or just R&B and then Alex replied in some social media form?

Sorry -- love me some Alex and and would LOVE to see him as The Bachelor.

Eric, Dean and Alex discussed the finale on The Ben and Ashley Podcast.

sdmom wrote:

Had I been ready at the end, I don't think she would have gone in a different direction. So as far as how it ended, that's sort of where I was at, at that point. "

http://www.realitytvworld.com/news/peter-kraus-i-think-rachel-lindsay-would-have-picked-me-if-id-wanted-propose-22513m.php

AllAboutLove wrote:

sdmom wrote:

Had I been ready at the end, I don't think she would have gone in a different direction. So as far as how it ended, that's sort of where I was at, at that point. "

http://www.realitytvworld.com/news/peter-kraus-i-think-rachel-lindsay-would-have-picked-me-if-id-wanted-propose-22513m.php

 Peter still making it about Peter. He is officially MePeter now (IMO). One of the most self-absorbed contestants I've ever watched.

adf23 wrote:Eek-  I'm not the biggest fan of Bryan, but I do wish Rachel and Bryan the best, and hope they make it.  Apparently the 'shade' is not just from Rachel's sister. Her aunt that was on the MTP dates posted on FB before the episode.  You can sense from her post and responses as a whole, that she is skeptical.  IMO she should make her page private.


This stood out, maybe she was being silly, but eek, coming from a family member, on a public platform.


https://www.facebook.com/connie.lindsay.50

sdmom wrote:
http://www.realitytvworld.com/news/peter-kraus-i-think-rachel-lindsay-would-have-picked-me-if-id-wanted-propose-22513m.php
Peter Kraus: That's a tough question. I felt throughout the entire process that I was the best fit with Rachel. She and I's connection was something very special from our very first date and unlike anything I've ever really experienced in my own life. And I felt like it was reciprocated.

mindless wrote:I am not impressed with Rachel today, I must say. Saying she felt manipulated is taking it too far IMO. Maybe she did, but I don't think it's Peter's fault. She just had stronger feelings for him than he did for her pretty much throughout the season and because of that he could never quite give her what she wanted. Yet she kept him around anyway and now she's blaming him for her frustration and her own tendency to be drawn to the "unavailable" guys, while I only ever saw him being honest about his feelings and his struggle. Peter is blamed for playing the victim, but I think Rachel herself is no stranger to it. She's the victim of all those "Peters" she dated in the past (willingly) and now she's the victim of this Peter, who she kept around until the very last night (willingly IMO). Sorry, but I didn't see any push and pull with Peter. He was moving at his own pace, which was slower than Rachel would've liked, but it was progressing in the right direction. I think push and pull would be taking one step forward and the one step back. I don't see how Peter took any steps back. Perhaps during that time between their first and second 1-on-1's, but by F3 he was falling love and after the FD he said he was in love (and I actually saw the change in his behaviour so I think that alone time really helped his feelings develop). He just didn't find it appropriate to be proposing within 24h of actually feeling some love, which is perfectly understandable to me and no proof of commitment phobia IMO. I thought Rachel's confusion over him picturing a future with her, while not wanting to propose just yet, was odd to say the least. I know I start picturing a future together as soon as I get into a relationship and if I can't see one, I get out because I have no interest in casual relationships. That doesn't mean I want to get engaged after a handful of dates. Nothing confusing about it to me. The fact that Peter apparently was talking about their future just shows me he was serious about her and wanted to move forward, just at a normal pace. I find it wholly unfair that Rachel kept drawing comparisons between this 2-month on-camera relationship and her past 5-year (!) relationship. I don't blame her for feeling somewhat triggered, but again, it's not Peter's fault. He is not playing her just because he doesn't want to get engaged after a few dates and few hours of alone time. It's great that Bryan did, but they are different people and that's no one's fault. JMO.

I also hate the rewriting of history. So apparently Rachel already knew before going to Peter's hotel that she'd be breaking up with him that night, yet he gave her several openings during that conversation to do just that and instead she kept trying to hammer that commitment out of him. He straight up asked if she knows that he's the man she wants to spend the rest of her life with and she kept saying she can't answer the question. If she went there to break up with him, then why didn't she just say no, I don't and go on her merry way? Then she finally got him to say he'll propose if that's what it takes even though he doesn't think it's the right time, and she said she doesn't want him to do that, so he asked what she wants then, to split right now and she said NO. I mean honestly, she was contributing to that pushing and pulling and overall frustration just as much if not more than Peter, who was just trying to juggle his own ideals and keeping the relationship going. Even when they finally said goodbye and she walked away, she turned around and said she can't say goodbye. And he's the one who couldn't be decisive? Beyotch, please! No wonder he was confused and tried to go talk to her again. They're way more similar than she'd like to think, hence why it was such a mess in the end. At the end of the day, she's the one who had the power, yet I doubt she feels that she was manipulating him in any way. Sorry, but men have feelings too and Peter was just as frustrated and emotional during that breakup as she was, so I'm not buying the poor Rachel got played nonsense. She won, she got the man of her dreams, she should be happy IMHO.

I feel like pretty much all the things said about Peter (manipulative, petty, playing the victim, wanting to be the Bach etc.) have also been said about Nick over the years and I spent 3 years defending him, so I just can't bring myself to vilify Peter. I'd feel like the biggest hypocrite at this point. He didn't even bring up any sexapades, so we have to harp on some stupid comment during a heated breakup discussion months ago that he apologised for several times last night. He was practically a saint last night in comparison IMO.

Oh and I also think Rachel could've talked less about Peter during the interviews. I know she was asked, but some of the ones I watched on YouTube earlier seemed to be 80% about Peter while Bryan was standing there looking awkward. I was starting to feel sorry for him. I get that she feels the need to explain herself after the edit made Bryan seem like a default, but the more she talks about Peter the less time there is to talk about the supposedly amazing man standing next to her. I thought she could've kept it shorter and redirected the discussion rather than going on and on. JMO.