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Post by natik on Sat Oct 31, 2020 11:15 pm

I want to explain to you how that whole thing with dates work. Because it is not the same way as in the US or another franchises.

Each of the guys is doing a date presentation with his idea for a date. For example it could be a video made with photoshop or an poem with a hint how the date will be. Ksenia is getting all those presentations anonymous. She doesn't know who had the idea to which date. She is choosing three dates she would like to go the most and only when she arrives to that particular date she is going to know with whom she will spend the time on that date and whose idea it was.
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Post by Sprite on Sat Oct 31, 2020 11:28 pm

@natik That is a great idea! That way she picks based on the originality of the date and her own interest. It eliminates the preconceptions. I really like this idea.

Is that only for this episode or will she choose all the dates like that? Well, all the one on one dates.


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Post by Idlemess on Sun Nov 01, 2020 12:07 am

@natik wrote:I want to explain to you how that whole thing with dates work. Because it is not the same way as in the US or another franchises.

Each of the guys is doing a date presentation with his idea for a date. For example it could be a video made with photoshop or an poem with a hint how the date will be. Ksenia is getting all those presentations anonymous. She doesn't know who had the idea to which date. She is choosing three dates she would like to go the most and only when she arrives to that particular date she is going to know with whom she will spend the time on that date and whose idea it was.

Okay.

The dates with Andrej and Evgeny were fun. I like those two. Seemed like a long date with Andrej with interesting talks. What were they talking about and at times seriously.

I don't know why or how it happened, but I wasn't happy with how the event with Nasar and Ihor went down. Did Nasar hijacked the date? I felt for Ihor, but Ksenia seems to enjoyed the adrenaline. Was Ihor okay? What were his thoughts?
Also, I laughed so hard when Sergej won the race... and Artem ate crow. He needs to relax.

Why is Sasha (to me) acting like a shy school girl? She's interested. What did they talk about?  

I like that she spoke to the guys who didn't get much time...

And then I'm surprised!!!
Is this a game? Cat and mouse with Sasha? Lol. Please explain. The guys seemed to like what happened.

Waiting for your summary OMG


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Post by natik on Sun Nov 01, 2020 8:22 pm

@Sprite wrote:

Is that only for this episode or will she choose all the dates like that? Well, all the one on one dates.

She will choose all the dates like that at least the first half of the season for sure until they are near the end and only a few guys left.


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Post by natik on Sun Nov 01, 2020 9:30 pm

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Okay.

The dates with Andrej and Evgeny were fun. I like those two. Seemed like a long date with Andrej with interesting talks. What were they talking about and at times seriously.

I don't know why or how it happened, but I wasn't happy with how the event with Nasar and Ihor went down. Did Nasar hijacked the date? I felt for Ihor, but Ksenia seems to enjoyed the adrenaline. Was Ihor okay? What were his thoughts?
Also, I laughed so hard when Sergej won the race... and Artem ate crow. He needs to relax.

Why is Sasha (to me) acting like a shy school girl? She's interested. What did they talk about?  

I like that she spoke to the guys who didn't get much time...

And then I'm surprised!!!
Is this a game? Cat and mouse with Sasha? Lol. Please explain. The guys seemed to like what happened.

Waiting for your summary OMG

I think I am gonna upload a video snippet from the date with Andrej but until then here is a summary. So his idea for a date was like in the movie 50 shades of grey, helicopter, nice dinner and swimming in the pool.
They started with a flight in a helicopter and when it is over Ksenia mentioned the first night. It is interesting that she spoke at first that Sasha was acting weird and then she mentioned that Andrej started to follow Sasha`s behavior pattern at the party. She said that she didn't liked it and that she took it personal. Andrej explained her the whole situation that it felt weird to them and he apologized. Later she asked him about his past relationships. He told her that he was five years together with one of the contestants from season 10 of the Bachelor with Maks. So his ex is Olga (not sure if someone who watched the season is remembering her). They had a strange relationship like an on and off relationship during which they met another partners. Like Ksenia said that this kind of relationships are strange. Ksenia asked him if he is maybe here for revenge. He declined. Ksenia said that she hopes that it is not revenge and that he is clear regarding his motives on the show so they could build a relationship together.

Andrej also was unsure regarding his participation in the project. He said he played with the thought to decline his participation. Ksenia asked him if he is still unsure regarding the project and his participation. He was swimming with his answers so it was not a clear yes or no. He said that he is ready to go till the end if she gives him assurance that she is interested in him like for example to look at him special or something like that. Ksenia said in her ITM that she is not accepting his position because everyone on the project should have equal rights but Andrej is expecting from her reassurance which she can not give him. Because she has another guys who she would like to know.

Ksenia ITM: "I want for him to act independently, to see the goal and not see any obstacles".

That is the reason why he didn't get a rose from her on the date. She said he should think once again about it until the rose ceremony, if he wants really to be on the project for her.

Nasar is a slim-bag. He stole the date from Ihor.

On a random note when Ksenia was asked who she thinks she going on a date with she said she thinks it is Sasha.

Never mind Nasar hijacked Ksenia. The thing is Ksenia had no idea with whom she is going on a date and thought that the whole hijack plan was a part of the date and that she is going on the date with Nasar. So they went bungee jumping and later he brought his kid to the date.
Here is a pre story with Nasar. He positioned himself to Ksenia as literally the best father in the world. And I know from certain sources that he was actually seeing his son only like literally three times in the whole time since his son was born. There are also cord records, and I saw them they are public, where he wanted to pay less alimony for his son. Further one his child is a result from a one night stand. So he married another woman but had a one night stand before that. So now he is divorced because as he told to Ksenia his ex-wife is a nasty woman. But again regarding the court records it is his wife who filed for the divorce and he didn't wanted the divorce, he even asked for a second chance.
Now back to his date. He brings his child to the first date and makes him a tool to manipulate Ksenia. Interesting thing his son is not calling him dad he is calling him by his name. During the date Nasar was whispering to that poor boy instructions for example "take Ksenia`s hand". All in all it was disgusting. His son asked him for a slice of pizza and Nasar declined to buy him one because Ksenia is a vegetarian and the pizza was with meat. Ksenia was watching that situation and I am sure she had second thoughts. She said during her ITM that if it was her child who was asking for that pizza he would have bought him that pizza. Long story short he is a disgusting person and soon he is going to be exposed.

Regarding Ihor he was disappointed. And even more so when he saw that Ksenia gave Nasar a rose. Nasar came back and was bragging and feeding the guys lies that they were very intimate on the date together. He kinda was hinting that they maybe even kissed and he told Ihor that he told Ksenia about the hijacking thing and she still decided to give him a rose because of his initiative. Ihor got disappointed with Ksenia and they had later a talk where they get things straight. I am gonna bring that video snippet and translate it. It was a good one.

Oh Sasha that poor, poor man. I mean on the one side it is hilarious to watch him but on the other side I am feeling so sorry for him. That poor man is losing himself every time when he is alone with Ksenia. Like you wrote he is like a shy schoolboy who fell in love for the first time with the most beautiful girl in his class. And now he is struggling.
I mean he is literally in physical pain because for the help of God he can't even form a proper sentence when he is speaking with her. He is stumbling over his own words and he has no control over his body. He is a mess. In one of his ITM`s he said: "MMMM....MMMMM..I am trying to form a sentence in my mind but everything what is getting out of my mouth doesn't make sense at all. I don't understand what is happening with me. I am pretty sure Ksenia is seeing it too but she is just too polite to mention anything so I don`t feel even more insecure."
During their conversation she asked him as well regarding his behavior on the first party and told him that she took it personal. He was shocked and apologized. She asked him how old he is and if he was married. He told her right from the start the he was married twice. He said he was married the first time in 2007, the second time in 2014 so if she wants the marriage to work out they should not marry in 2021. She laughed. He told her that he has a 12 years old daughter. Ksenia asked him if his daughter knows that he is participating in the project. He answered of course. He said he showed his daughter a picture of her and his daughter liked her. Ksenia said that she it is a plus that he has obviously a close relationship with his daughter.

At the end of their conversation Ksenia said in her ITM "I saw how nervous he was, and shy and ho he was fighting for words, and how he is avoiding to watch me in the eyes and suddenly the whole picture made sense to me why he was behaving the way he behaved on the first party".

At the end of the rose ceremony the Sasha thing. Yes it is a flirt game I would say. There is a thing going on between those two. She is teasing him purposely.


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Post by Sprite on Sun Nov 01, 2020 9:47 pm

Thanks for the explanation @natik. I can't wait to watch.


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Post by natik on Sun Nov 01, 2020 9:48 pm

@Sprite wrote:Thanks for the explanation @natik. I can't wait to watch.

It was a very good episode. It was so easy and flawless to watch. Hope you are going to enjoy it as well.

Can't wait for your comments.


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Post by Idlemess on Sun Nov 01, 2020 10:56 pm

@natik thanks! Smiley

There's a good flow in the episodes that I'm able to follow although lost in translation.
I know that @Sprite asked about Konstantin. He's a really tall guy and there are instances when he seems older and others a bit youthful. Is he part of the "manly crew" or is he a gentle giant?

I'm really liking Ksenia's style and her maintaining control of the show. What did she say to Artem (obviously she disapproved of his behaviour towards Sergej) but that was some intense eye contact with him. Of course he liked it!

How does Ksenia feel about kissing/ intimacy? The guys are almost following her cues it seems... Is it because of her celebrity?

Okay, I got the Ellert (Sasha) eclair joke laugh out loud I think. That was such a sweet moment with them. Seems the guys have caught on or have they? Maybe they think Sasha is safe because he jokes around !!!
Maybe he'll get a date soon.

Are the guys really talking back and forth during the Rose ceremony? The more I watch this project, the more I like the concept and production.


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Post by natik on Mon Nov 02, 2020 12:17 am

@Idlemess wrote:@natik thanks! Smiley

There's a good flow in the episodes that I'm able to follow although lost in translation.
I know that @Sprite asked about Konstantin. He's a really tall guy and there are instances when he seems older and others a bit youthful. Is he part of the "manly crew" or is he a gentle giant?

I'm really liking Ksenia's style and her maintaining control of the show. What did she say to Artem (obviously she disapproved of his behaviour towards Sergej) but that was some intense eye contact with him. Of course he liked it!

How does Ksenia feel about kissing/ intimacy? The guys are almost following her cues it seems... Is it because of her celebrity?

Okay, I got the Ellert (Sasha) eclair joke laugh out loud I think. That was such a sweet moment with them. Seems the guys have caught on or have they? Maybe they think Sasha is safe because he jokes around !!!
Maybe he'll get a date soon.

Are the guys really talking back and forth during the Rose ceremony? The more I watch this project, the more I like the concept and production.

Konstantin is part of the "bad boys" group. Andrej and Sasha are the most liked among the other men. Ilja said during the rose ceremony, when only Andrej and Sasha left, that he is feeling sorry for them because those two are the most decent guys in the house. They are not aggressive or unfair and they are not talking crap about the others.

She spoke at first to both of them but the guys didn't wanted to share the details they said a woman doesn't have to know those things. Ksenia said that both are guilty the one was provoking and the other was violant.

On the rose ceremony she asked Artem: "Are you sure that in the future you can control yourself?" He answered that he is sure.

After that she said in her ITM: "I gave Artem a chance because I think that everyone makes mistakes and deserves another chance. But only one and not more."

Regarding Ksenia: I am a straight woman but OMG I am in love with her. What a gorgeous, sophisticated, witty, intelligent, deep, wise and pure woman. She is not pushing the guys, she is not acting self absorbed or childish or hysterical. She is trying to be fair and respectful to each one of them. She can easy hold a conversation no matter what topic it is. She is considering the feelings of the guys, she is trying to understand why they are behaving the way they behave. She is talking the misunderstandings with the guys through. She is making everything she can to make them feel comfortable with her. And they are opening up with her very quickly. She is such a joy to watch. She laid the bar very high for the next Bachelorette. I don't even know if you can top her in the future.

In one of her interviews she said that obviously there will not going to be sex on the project. About kissing she said that she is going to follow her heart and intuition, and if she is going to feel the desire to kiss a guy, she will kiss him.
Most of the guys are infatuated with her and they also respect her that is the reason why they are not making a move yet on the first dates.

About the eclair joke: At the first rose ceremony she said to Sasha during the party something happened with him and he seemed not there anymore, he seemed far away. Sasha answered that it was not him but his, like you know a comedian image on scene named eclair. I know that his best friends are calling him eclair it is his nick. So he promised her that eclair will not gonna shown up again. And this time during the conversation he kept his promise. So at the rose ceremony she gave him the eclair symbolically and said that she wants for him to promise her that eclair will be gonna because she liked the conversation with Sasha a lot. And by eating the eclair he should be gone.

The guys were nervous for Sasha they wanted for him to stay.

Yes they really talking back and forth during the rose ceremony.

So far I am enjoying the project. The episodes are three hours long but time flies so quick. Everything is on point, it is interesting, intriguing and nothing is stressing you out.
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Post by GuardianAngel on Mon Nov 02, 2020 11:07 am

I'm so far behind, so thank you everyone for all the updates!

@natik thank you as always for translating and answering questions!


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Post by Idlemess on Tue Nov 03, 2020 3:51 pm

Thank you @natik for taking the time to answer the questions and satisfying curiosity.

With everything that's going on, watching this particular show is a form of escapism. The project is done remarkably well without the juvenile sex infused focus like the US production.
I always want to know more after each episode and it's not just for translation but for the inside scoops and for me, being able to understand (not the language) the emotions.



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