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Bachelor Australia - Season 10 - Felix - Jed - Thomas - *Sleuthing Spoilers*

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Norcalgal wrote:The 2 brunettes are nice looking! The shirtless tat guy does nothing for me, except he has the cahones to wear a very stylish suit! I may end up liking him best though!


Some of Jed's old Facebook comments have resurfaced from when he was 14/15. And they are disgusting to say the least.

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Absolutely abhorrent. In the era of #MeToo and in the wake of everything last year that pertains to this (the anger of which was highlighted by the Women’s March on parliament in March), this is a staggeringly tasteless and disrespectful choice for the franchise to continue with. “It happened a decade ago” isn’t going to cut it.
by iggy
on Thu May 26, 2022 6:08 am
 
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Bachelor In Paradise - Season 6 - Media SM - *Sleuthing Spoilers*

Mia_Leoni wrote:*I hope this isn't too political for this board. All just my personal views on sex and consent*

Just to be clear about my perspective here: I neither side with Blake, nor with Caelynn or Kristina in this situation. I personally believe that casual sex is generally a terrible idea, because of the consequences we now see unfold on this show.

In this time of #METOO, the flip side, imo, is that people need to take accountability when they do consent.

It's just not credible, imo to say: yes, it was casual,  yes we had sex before defining our relationship,  BUT this person disrespected me by having (casual) sex with someone else right afterwards.

This is the arrangement you agreed to, if you haven't discussed otherwise.  

And, again IMO, consenting perpetuates the disrespect and makes this arrangement "ok" as long as people continue to consent to it.  As long as these women are agreeing to sleep casually with Blake, why should he change his  behaviour? Why would he feel like he needs to commit when his partners consent to have sex with him, without setting boundaries?

Unless Blake outright lied about his intentions, and the women who agreed to sleep with him were lied to, manipulated, or forced in any way, it's unfortunate but they weren't "used".

This is very conflicting. It's not ok.  And yet, everyone who was a part of it needs to accept responsibility for their role in it.  Just my 2 cents on this topic. Very murky.

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Definitely murky. I agree that if a person has expectations other than sex when consenting to sex in a non-romantic relationship then they need to acknowledge that to themselves and not have casual sex. Some people are emotional equipped to separate a hookup from further expectation; some people are not. Both type of people need to be aware of each other’s POV and of themselves in a sexual context and make choices accordingly. In the Kristina/Blake/Caelynn scenario Blake had spent time previously with both but didn’t seem to know how having sex would effect either or how his relationship with either would be effected. Lots of missed communication by all involved in this situation.
by notarose
on Sat Aug 10, 2019 9:13 pm
 
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Bachelor In Paradise - Season 6 - Media SM - *Sleuthing Spoilers*

*I hope this isn't too political for this board. All just my personal views on sex and consent*

Just to be clear about my perspective here: I neither side with Blake, nor with Caelynn or Kristina in this situation. I personally believe that casual sex is generally a terrible idea, because of the consequences we now see unfold on this show.

In this time of #METOO, the flip side, imo, is that people need to take accountability when they do consent.

It's just not credible, imo to say: yes, it was casual,  yes we had sex before defining our relationship,  BUT this person disrespected me by having (casual) sex with someone else right afterwards.

This is the arrangement you agreed to, if you haven't discussed otherwise.  

And, again IMO, consenting perpetuates the disrespect and makes this arrangement "ok" as long as people continue to consent to it.  As long as these women are agreeing to sleep casually with Blake, why should he change his behaviour? Why would he feel like he needs to commit when his partners consent to have sex with him, without setting boundaries?

Unless Blake outright lied about his intentions, and the women who agreed to sleep with him were lied to, manipulated, or forced in any way, it's unfortunate but they weren't "used".

This is very conflicting. It's not ok.  And yet, everyone who was a part of it needs to accept responsibility for their role in it.  Just my 2 cents on this topic. Very murky.
by Mia_Leoni
on Sat Aug 10, 2019 8:05 pm
 
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Bachelorette 15 - Hannah Brown - Media - SM - *Sleuthing Spoilers* #9

bluwavz wrote:


Since, there's already previews of the episode going around, if RS has seen it and has not changed his spoilers, then it will play out as he spoiled.

See, Jed is already starting his lying discrediting Haley. I hope these girls have more receipts to throw these lying bastards under the bus. I hope the other girl (apart from Haley) comes out if Jed starts denying and discrediting girls. Hope this becomes similar to #metoo with women coming out of the woodwork.

Let the s**tstorm begin! Exciting!!!
by SarahD
on Mon Jul 29, 2019 3:30 pm
 
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Bachelorette 15 - Hannah Brown - July 29 & 30 - Finale - *Sleuthing Spoilers*

Not sure who to answer first, but here is a few ideas about Peter's journey...
It had been mentioned that he had been scouted for the show.  So I would think he would be on a producer's or casting person's radar, because of his being a pilot, and them knowing his story.  Plus his social media, probably made for a good storyline, and where his values were directed.  His commitment issues all the better for the storyboard/arc they are creating around Hannah. And they wanted to see how far he would go with Hannah. he looks good on paper. Did he care about Hannah?
I am sure that he had fallen in love/lust with her in the bachelor bubble,  but I didn't really see their personality matching over the long haul.  

Of players and their girlfriends, this probably being one of her biggest fears, of how she treated Tyler, and how the lead is given the journey of overcoming their biggest fears.  And it could of been one of the reasons they chose her to be bachelorette; and to stay socially relevant with the #metoo movement.  Bring along Jed's story, whether they knew at the beginning, or expected him to bow out somewhere along the line, this played into their narrative.  Ben Higgins had mentioned how he had disrespected the franchise by going all the way to the end of the process.  So that was why the season had to be reedited half way through.

They want to portray her as a strong, independent woman who makes her own decisions, and wants to love fiercely and be loved fiercely.  So they decided to play off this dynamic through out the season, knowing she would have her ups and downs, and not allow anyone to walk on her, without not her putting on her steel towed boots, and guaruntee? she would have an answer for that.   I know this to be true, as I have a daughter just like Hannah, who has a heart of gold, but will not take crap from any man.  And she has learned that vulnerability through strength, and courage, and owning your mistakes, that is not always your fault, that men act the way they do.  Also, her portrayal of her "inner Brene' Brown" of showing vulnerability through strength, and not sharing your journey/person with those who do not deserve to be a part of your journey.  What she said about the fantasy suites was so true.  I am so proud of Hannah and how far she has come in her journey from when we first saw her on Colton's season to now, and how much she strives to grow and live her best life, with scars, beauty, generosity, and kindness.  Wishing her all the best.

Not sure if this was what your asking for, but this is what came to mind at the moment, tomorrow it may be something different.... Smiley
by violetstoo
on Tue Jul 23, 2019 6:46 am
 
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Bachelorette 15 - Hannah Brown - General Discussion - *Sleuthing Spoilers* #3

HEA wrote:This is my understanding of the MeToo movement and has nothing to do with Jed for me


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Absolutely! The #MeToo movement origin story is one of supporting survivors and interrupting/stopping sexual violence. But to be able to do that, women needed to be heard, treated equally, respected in ways that we currently are not because of political, social, and economic structures. IMO. That's all that I was trying to say. For #MeToo to be successful, we need to tackle these other problems too and the main one, to me, is equality. Just my two cents!

ETA: Also, want to add that I wasn't trying to equate Jed's recent behavior (either alleged IRL or on the show) on par with sexual abuse. Not all. But I do believe that discounting and diminishing women, viewing them as less than, and manipulating for your benefit is worrisome behavior and shouldn't be tolerated by anyone. And if we treated people equally and treated them with human decency, there would be lots more hurt in this world!
by North
on Sun Jul 07, 2019 4:36 pm
 
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Bachelorette 15 - Hannah Brown - General Discussion - *Sleuthing Spoilers* #3

IMO the #metoo movement was/is important because it shines a spotlight on how men (sometimes women) in positions of authority misuse that power particularly in the workforce due to sexual intent. That’s why so many actors and models have come forward with casting couch type stories. Do this sexual fav if you want the job... or I get to caress your butt every time I talk beside you if you want to keep your job.
Being a slime in a bar or DMing an explicit selfie or writing I wanna FU on some guy’s shirtless IG pic could be sexual harassment but IMO not what #metoo as a movement was originally focused on.
by notarose
on Sun Jul 07, 2019 4:35 pm
 
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Bachelorette 15 - Hannah Brown - General Discussion - *Sleuthing Spoilers* #3

Hawaii Girl wrote:JMO but I really, really hate the idea that it’s fine and normal for guys to be assholes to women until they meet “the one”. You should treat people you date with basic respect even if they’re not the person you’re meant to end up with. It’s honestly just human decency. And I would never want to be with someone who treated women the way Jed did, but then treats me well because I’m “special” and “the one”. Clearly Hannah feels the same since she broke up with him as more evidence of his actions surfaced.


I can't like this statement enough. Human decency. Period. And Jed doesn't have much of it right now. Maybe he'll grow and learn from this experience but not holding him accountable for his decisions and his actions is, quite frankly, not acceptable. Women since the beginning of time have excused men, suffered hardships, played second fiddle, ignored issues, and unfortunately, torn down other women. We should all expect and DEMAND better from men but women too. That's what the #MeToo movement is about -- it isn't only about r*pe and abuse but it is about the systematic social, political, and economic structures that force women into this secondary role...afraid to ask for raises, punished for speaking up, ridiculed for their beliefs, made to feel inferior, forced to "stand by their man," etc... #MeToo is about striving toward equality across the board for everyone. It makes me sad when it is minimized and placed in brackets with qualifiers. Equality benefits everyone. All IMO

I don't think Jed should be tarred and feathered or driven from town with pitchforks. He needs to acknowledge that his recent treatment of Hannah and Hayley was unacceptable and selfish. And most importantly, he needs to learn how to treat women better, be honest and open.  All IMO

Want to date around? Fine, be honest about. Seems like his hook-up girl knew the score and didn't mind the FWB situation, even cheating on Hayley. Do that Jed, hook up with FWB girls who don't care that you are a cheater. Don't play with others who are looking for more. Hayley was complicit in his premeditated scheme and that's on her, but she believed the man that she loved and unfortunately that didn't work out for her. Hannah didn't know the score and that's what makes it all the more painful.  IMO

OFF TOPIC (mods delete if necessary) The US Women's National Soccer team just won their 4th World Cup and will be paid $200,000 each as champions. If the men had won it would've been 1.1 million each. hmmm hmmm hmmm
by North
on Sun Jul 07, 2019 3:19 pm
 
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Bachelorette 15 - Hannah Brown - General Discussion - *Sleuthing Spoilers* #3

HEA wrote:
LoveDovez wrote:
sosleepy wrote:
HEA wrote:Well I care because Haley shows a side of herself that is not pretty. And if hell has to fall on Jed’s head, then I’d like to know if she will fall with him, victim or revengeful bleach. For me, it lacks total tact to use her pseudo ex misfortune fame for her own if this is the case. So yeah, who is the douche here? That’s what I care to know. Jmo


*edited* I just don’t understand the logic here. Girl falls for boy. Girl gets comfortable enough to tell boy she loves him, something she self admittedly has never done. Girl meets boys parents. Girl gets charmed into thinking Bachelorette is an ok idea (listen to her interviews, Jed is good. I may have fallen for it too.), Girl pays for boy to go on a pretty sweet vacay. Girl gets cheated on, with boy texting side girl right next to her. Girl gets played on national television, watching boy she loves literally game and get engaged to  someone else. Girl gets ghosted, and an awkward “cheers” with no further explanation during an accidental meeting. But somehow girl is the douche?*edited*

Our society needs to make the MeToo movement an even bigger deal than it already is, apparently. **edited** Oh Bachelor, pointing out subtle flaws in our society, left and right. IMO



The part that was left out was Girl went along with plan to dupe another woman. IMHO she is not one bit better than Jed to go down for this and is so far away from what a MVP is that I find it laughable...


For the record the #metoo movement is about rapes and abuse. It has nothing to do with Jed situation. And by the way this movement works both genres, just saying... And although I am very supportive of women who were traumatized, using this movement in Jed situation is not appropriate, far from it IMO
As I shared, Jed is used as a symbol and women use him for personal vendettas and revenges from women he never met or sins he never committed. I find this disturbing and ridiculous. It blows completely out of proportion. Jed has definitely issues to solve but Haley is using him for her benefit IMO. I hope she’ll enjoy her name known for it and nothing for her music. JMO
Oh dear... :thud :drama


You are so right, @HEA.
If people are going to try to elevate every incidence of a man who lies to the level of the egregious behavior the Me Too movement has been built to fight, then we all look foolish and childish and absurd and the movement will lose its credibility, IMO. People who support this movement should understand and protect and support it and stop trying to make it a bandaid for everything that happens that hurts between men and women.
It is not protection from every bad judgement, slight, disregard and pain of poor decision.

Woman up! This world and no movement is here to coddle naïveté and lack of discernment. Any woman who can’t recover from the most common lies men tell, just stay home because no movement or, whining or daily indictment of Jed is guaranteed protection for you.

Hannah has handled her business and she’s paying the tab her stubborn, relentless pursuit of losers always costs. Paying in a big way but from what I can see, paying with a combination of grace and b—lls. IMO she doesn’t need to be coddled like a weakling wuss. She made a bad choice, put on her beautiful game face and continued her journey. That —- I can respect. HANNAH WILL BE FINE!, IMA. This “he done me wrong” whine fest is making me gag. IMA, it’s disgusting. Hayley agreed to pretend she and Jed broke up. Well, guess what??
by Chgohighlife
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Bachelorette 15 - Hannah Brown - General Discussion - *Sleuthing Spoilers* #3

[mention]LoveDovez[/mention] wrote:
[mention]sosleepy[/mention] wrote:
[mention]HEA[/mention] wrote:Well I care because Haley shows a side of herself that is not pretty. And if hell has to fall on Jed’s head, then I’d like to know if she will fall with him, victim or revengeful bleach. For me, it lacks total tact to use her pseudo ex misfortune fame for her own if this is the case. So yeah, who is the douche here? That’s what I care to know. Jmo


*edited* I just don’t understand the logic here. Girl falls for boy. Girl gets comfortable enough to tell boy she loves him, something she self admittedly has never done. Girl meets boys parents. Girl gets charmed into thinking Bachelorette is an ok idea (listen to her interviews, Jed is good. I may have fallen for it too.), Girl pays for boy to go on a pretty sweet vacay. Girl gets cheated on, with boy texting side girl right next to her. Girl gets played on national television, watching boy she loves literally game and get engaged to  someone else. Girl gets ghosted, and an awkward “cheers” with no further explanation during an accidental meeting. But somehow girl is the douche?*edited*

Our society needs to make the MeToo movement an even bigger deal than it already is, apparently. **edited** Oh Bachelor, pointing out subtle flaws in our society, left and right. IMO



The part that was left out was Girl went along with plan to dupe another woman. IMHO she is not one bit better than Jed to go down for this and is so far away from what a MVP is that I find it laughable...


For the record the {#}metoo{/#} movement is about r*pes and abuse. It has nothing to do with Jed situation IMO. And by the way this movement works both genres, just saying... And although I am very supportive of women and men who were traumatized, using this movement in Jed situation is not appropriate, far from it IMO
As I shared, Jed is used as a symbol and women use him for personal vendettas and revenges from women he never met or sins he never committed. I find this crucifixion disturbing and ridiculous. It blows completely out of proportion. Jed has definitely issues to solve but Haley is using him for her benefit IMO. I hope she’ll enjoy her name known for it and nothing about  her music. JMO

[mention]Chgohighlife[/mention] wrote:IMO this whole Jed situation is 100% overblown
[mention]chgohighlife[/mention] wrote:. He didn’t kill anyone, he didn’t r*pe anyone, he didn’t assault anyone. He lied. He had a girlfriend. He went on a reality show and didn’t admit it. He’s got no kids and no wives. No one knows how sincere his proposal was. Arie proposed to Becca and slept with her for two months and dumped her for Lauren. He wasn’t executed at dawn. People do fall in love quite unexpectedly. Who knows??

Hannah dumped him. Good for her. This daily indictment of him is tiresome, IMO.

I AM SOOOO OVER IT! deadhorse deadhorse deadhorse :crazed



Thank you for saying out loud what I think  :claphands   yes

Oh dear... :thud :drama
by Guest
on Sun Jul 07, 2019 8:34 am
 
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Bachelorette 15 - Hannah Brown - General Discussion - *Sleuthing Spoilers*

Sharnee wrote:
SarahD wrote:TPTB definitely knows. That's why Scott was a story line at the beginning and Chris Harrison bringing up Scott again during their fake Scotland sit down. Obviously it's in LA and they're already creating the story line that Hannah will get through this and find her love story.

Ugh, which means she will stick with him.



Maybe this is where her family comes in. He can’t support her with no steady job unless he strips full time and takes on side gigs. I think with these private months anything can happen . Jed might have duped her like he could have duped Haley to come on the show. If so then it’s on her . Wonder if they can forego the press tour after? All will be asking about Jed’s past. Tho he’ll probably try to pacify them with a Bible quote.


Totally agree, Hannah says she wants real and unfiltered, but from the very beginning she has gone after the most manipulative men. I can see no difference between Jed and Luke, maybe that is why they don't like each other so much because they put out the same vibe.  Luke's may seem a little more Christian, but still just as passive/aggressive/controlling as Jed leading his girlfriend along with "all the right things to say", and having her pay his way to a good time.  At least Luke seems to have a little more pride than that.  They both speak volumes of why the #metoo movement is a real thing, and women, ie Hannah needs to call them both out, and send them packing.  Jed has looked untrustworthy from day one, and Luke has looked just like Penn from YOU from day one as well, both psycho/serial manipulators. Hopefully, she can see the truth sooner than later. deadhorse Topics tagged under metoo on bachandbachettefans.net 3552228123
by violetstoo
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Bachelorette 15 - Hannah Brown - General Discussion - *Sleuthing Spoilers*

Jed-ouche is in a chit pile plain and simple . Not even talking about Haley . Jed might have inspired a {#}metoo{/#} movement right here on this show . Whatever the case, Patrick seems interested and I applaud him for that no matter the result. To start the show with a Scott and end with a Jed is irony at it’s best.
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