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Bachelor 24 - Peter Weber - Media SM - Sleuthing Spoilers #3

Astrobach wrote:
notarose wrote:
jen689 wrote:
ReneeM wrote:But like, Victoria really didn’t charm him? She did the absolute bare minimum with Peter imo.....

Why would Peter keep Victoria if all she does is the bare minimum. She knows what to say and how to act to get what she wants. She worked her "charm" in some way for Peter to keep her until F3 JMO

Peter saying something about what makes her who she is makes me think some type of past trauma may come out. If so, good for her if this show experience leads to her doing something to better herself or heal post-show. If that’s the case, the show needs to stop its agenda of casting troubled people on a show (it has psych screening and producers at casting that supposedly are good at reading people) because the show isn’t equipped for this and the Bach premise is supposed to be entertainment not some deep psychological documentary.
Should this be the case I could see why Peter would be supportive and not want to encourage trolling.
Just a possibility. I have no clue. Could be nothing much and Peter is just naive.

I’m not sure that qualifies as the ‘past trauma’ that Peter may know about Victoria, but apparently her biological father disappeared from their life early on and she now have a step dad. I’m sure it’s WASNT easy to deal with at the same time, the unfortunate truth is that MANY children face this abandon and cope with it somehow and become good, responsible and kind people. All qualities that Victoria seem to lack. I’ve said it before, she could benefit from a good long therapy but she’s prefers growing her IG followers instead of looking in IMO.
It’s also interesting that Kelsey had a similar back story and has a very different approach and maturity.

Sprite wrote:
notarose wrote:
atem wrote:
notarose wrote:
atem wrote:Didn't Peter say the public would love VF? Sorry, but Peter hasn't indicated anything negative towards VF.

He hadn’t slammed any of his cast. He sometimes points out a specific behavior as a negative but always also says something positive. I do believe he was raised to find the good in people and that is part of the problem with this group of girls because realistically IMO some have shown mean or manipulative behavior that outweighs giving them time based on their good bits.
Initially there were a lot of recappers at least liking Victoria and saying how relatable she was because she was nervous and overcoming her fears. Peeps seem to like the OTT types LOL.

He said people would love her. There's a difference between that and what he's said about others.

True.
I’m waiting for her permanent exit as she is my #1 least liked ever female contestant.

In my book she is tied with Demi for the most unlikable, most fake, most manipulative.

Yep, mine too. And as far as we know, Victoria has actually deliberately hurt people by her actions and irresponsible behavior.
Demi doesn’t have that background apparently.
All IMOAA

Re: bolded. I am soooo sick and tired of ~my parents got divorced~ being used as a ~trauma~ on this show. It's extremely common, practically the norm. Most people aren't walking around as broken people who bawl their eyes out telling someone on a first date about it. Yeah it sucks but you pick yourself up and move on. If you can't, you should probably be in therapy and avoid dating until you sort it out.

JMO

Bachelor 24 - Peter Weber - Media SM - Sleuthing Spoilers #3

notarose wrote:
jen689 wrote:
ReneeM wrote:But like, Victoria really didn’t charm him? She did the absolute bare minimum with Peter imo.....

Why would Peter keep Victoria if all she does is the bare minimum. She knows what to say and how to act to get what she wants. She worked her "charm" in some way for Peter to keep her until F3 JMO

Peter saying something about what makes her who she is makes me think some type of past trauma may come out. If so, good for her if this show experience leads to her doing something to better herself or heal post-show. If that’s the case, the show needs to stop its agenda of casting troubled people on a show (it has psych screening and producers at casting that supposedly are good at reading people) because the show isn’t equipped for this and the Bach premise is supposed to be entertainment not some deep psychological documentary.
Should this be the case I could see why Peter would be supportive and not want to encourage trolling.
Just a possibility. I have no clue. Could be nothing much and Peter is just naive.

I’m not sure that qualifies as the ‘past trauma’ that Peter may know about Victoria, but apparently her biological father disappeared from their life early on and she now have a step dad. I’m sure it’s WASNT easy to deal with at the same time, the unfortunate truth is that MANY children face this abandon and cope with it somehow and become good, responsible and kind people. All qualities that Victoria seem to lack. I’ve said it before, she could benefit from a good long therapy but she’s prefers growing her IG followers instead of looking in IMO.
It’s also interesting that Kelsey had a similar back story and has a very different approach and maturity.

Sprite wrote:
notarose wrote:
atem wrote:
notarose wrote:
atem wrote:Didn't Peter say the public would love VF? Sorry, but Peter hasn't indicated anything negative towards VF.

He hadn’t slammed any of his cast. He sometimes points out a specific behavior as a negative but always also says something positive. I do believe he was raised to find the good in people and that is part of the problem with this group of girls because realistically IMO some have shown mean or manipulative behavior that outweighs giving them time based on their good bits.
Initially there were a lot of recappers at least liking Victoria and saying how relatable she was because she was nervous and overcoming her fears. Peeps seem to like the OTT types LOL.

He said people would love her. There's a difference between that and what he's said about others.

True.
I’m waiting for her permanent exit as she is my #1 least liked ever female contestant.

In my book she is tied with Demi for the most unlikable, most fake, most manipulative.

Yep, mine too. And as far as we know, Victoria has actually deliberately hurt people by her actions and irresponsible behavior.
Demi doesn’t have that background apparently.
All IMOAA

Bachelor 24 - Peter Weber - Media SM - Sleuthing Spoilers #3

notarose wrote:
atem wrote:
notarose wrote:
atem wrote:Didn't Peter say the public would love VF? Sorry, but Peter hasn't indicated anything negative towards VF.

He hadn’t slammed any of his cast. He sometimes points out a specific behavior as a negative but always also says something positive. I do believe he was raised to find the good in people and that is part of the problem with this group of girls because realistically IMO some have shown mean or manipulative behavior that outweighs giving them time based on their good bits.
Initially there were a lot of recappers at least liking Victoria and saying how relatable she was because she was nervous and overcoming her fears. Peeps seem to like the OTT types LOL.

He said people would love her. There's a difference between that and what he's said about others.

True.
I’m waiting for her permanent exit as she is my #1 least liked ever female contestant.

In my book she is tied with Demi for the most unlikable, most fake, most manipulative.

Bachelor 24 - Peter Weber - Media SM - Sleuthing Spoilers #3

atem wrote:
notarose wrote:
atem wrote:Didn't Peter say the public would love VF? Sorry, but Peter hasn't indicated anything negative towards VF.

He hadn’t slammed any of his cast. He sometimes points out a specific behavior as a negative but always also says something positive. I do believe he was raised to find the good in people and that is part of the problem with this group of girls because realistically IMO some have shown mean or manipulative behavior that outweighs giving them time based on their good bits.
Initially there were a lot of recappers at least liking Victoria and saying how relatable she was because she was nervous and overcoming her fears. Peeps seem to like the OTT types LOL.

He said people would love her. There's a difference between that and what he's said about others.

True.
I’m waiting for her permanent exit as she is my #1 least liked ever female contestant.

Bachelor 24 - Peter Weber - S/Caps - Sleuthing Spoilers #2

[mention]Astrobach[/mention] wrote:{@=16468}gabriele{/@} Thanks, I’m pretty aware of the thread since I’ve posted quite a it and I just re-read the whole thread {#}1{/#} and didn’t find a map that contains the locations I mention.
I also know that rolling girl S/C - Victoria IMO - is taken at the Songbird . BUT she stayed with the crew at Sanctuary before and possibly after that date with Peter. I’m trying to trace a timeline that makes sense of ALL the info we have now.
JMOAA

Gah! It’s all so confusing. That sleuthingbach IG link was the wrong Rainforest hotel so that date on their post of the 8th may well be wrong. My brain is

right now trying to follow all this.

Bachelor 24 - Peter Weber - S/Caps - Sleuthing Spoilers #2

@gabriele Thanks, I’m pretty aware of the thread since I’ve posted quite a bit and I just re-read the whole thread #1 and didn’t find a map that contains the locations I mention.
I also know that rolling girl S/C - Victoria IMO - is taken at the Songbird . BUT she stayed with the crew at Sanctuary before and possibly after that date with Peter. I’m trying to trace a timeline that makes sense of ALL the info we have now.
JMOAA

Bachelor 24 - Peter Weber - S/Caps - Sleuthing Spoilers #2

[mention]Astrobach[/mention] wrote:Paging {@=14544}Bobette{/@} So now that we have the room we’re Victoria had her night portion ( most likely) with Peter I need a visual, being quite lost in the various locations.
So question {#}1{/#}. How far is O’Reilly’s from Sanctuary Cove and / from Tamburine Mountain . {#}2{/#} There’s is a Fall at O’Reily’s as well isn’t it? Let’s assume she was at the Sanctuary Cove, gets picked up by helicopter with Peter where they go to the Falls ( whichever makes more sense and closer to Tamburine. where they meet up in the evening until she is picked up in the morning again to be with her producers. Thoughts? TYIA for visual aid!

Check out the sleuthed info thread:

https://www.bachandbachettefans.net/t5414-bachelor-24-peter-weber-sleuthed-information-sleuthing-spoilers-no-discussion.

ETA: It isn’t O’Reilly’s Rainforest Retreat but the Songbirds Rainforest Retreat where the rolling girl on bed is. I looked on google maps and I don’t think it would make any real difference as distance from the Songbirds or Gold Star to the Moran Falls where VF FD hike was.

Yup. Still think rolling girl is Madi. jmo

Bachelor 24 - Peter Weber - S/Caps - Sleuthing Spoilers #2

Paging @Bobette So now that we have the room we’re Victoria had her night portion ( most likely) with Peter I need a visual, being quite lost in the various locations.
So question #1. How far is O’Reilly’s from Sanctuary Cove and / from Tamburine Mountain . #2 There’s is a Fall at O’Reily’s as well isn’t it? Let’s assume she was at the Sanctuary Cove, gets picked up by helicopter with Peter where they go to the Falls ( whichever makes more sense and closer to Tamburine. where they meet up in the evening until she is picked up in the morning again to be with her producers. Thoughts? TYIA for visual aid!

Bachelorette New Zealand - Season 1 - Dr Lesina Nakhid-Schuster - Lily McManus - Media SM - Discussion - Sleuthing Spoilers

Batmouth wrote:@karina I question Lesina’a motives for being on the show. I think she’s in it for the fame. I’ll admit I’ve mainly come to this conclusion from viewing her instagram. Can’t trust someone who only has photos of #1. It’s weird!

What was the hashtag they used during Honey Badger season? Something about women supporting women? Feels like the same narrative from the interviews Lily and Lesina have done. Neither picking anyone explains why they would Did that press piece with Jordan.... sending the message that not picking anyone is okay/better than tossing a coin/don’t settle for less than you deserve/independent women etc

@Batmouth: You have brilliantly articulated what I also have observed and concluded.

Bachelor 24 - Peter Weber - F1-F4 - Discussion - Sleuthing Spoilers

Credit to Reality Steve for the info.

What I can report to you today after trying to get this confirmed over the last couple months is this: Peter does have sex in the overnight dates. Shocker, I know. However, Madison doesn’t find this out because Peter tells her, but from Victoria F. and Hannah Ann. There is a girl chat that happens during overnight date week (presumably after all the overnights happen), where they are the ones to tell Madison that sex happened with Peter. One or both, I don’t know for sure, but since both women are the ones to tell Madi, I’m going to assume it was both of them. Immediately I know you have questions. Most notably, “How and when did this happen?” Because as we know, once final 4 hits, these women are always separated from each other and the only time they even see each other are at rose ceremonies, and you don’t get to chit chat about anything. All I know is that Madison first heard about Peter having sex in the overnights during a girl chat with Victoria F. and Hannah Ann. We’ve seen an ITM of Victoria F saying, “I can’t believe she waited this long to tell him she’s a virgin,” so that helps us in knowing that surely Peter didn’t Victoria F. on their overnight that Madison is a virgin. Which means she must’ve heard it from Madison during the girl chat. Trust me, there are a lot of voiceovers, coupled with ITM’s that we’ve seen that I’ve literally been going over for 2 months. But bottom line is, Madison has a girl chat with the other two during overnight date week and that’s when she first learns Peter had sex on the overnights.

We also know that Victoria F. is eliminated at the final 3 rose ceremony, meaning Hannah Ann and Madison are the final two. As I reported, Victoria F. has nothing to do with the finale. We don’t see her again, she doesn’t pop up and talk to Peter about anything, and there is no debate she was sent home at the overnight date rose ceremony. Once we’re down to our final 2, that’s who meets Peter’s family, then each get one last date with Peter, and then the final rose ceremony. In a normal season. This isn’t a normal season. What I can also report is what many people have suspected this season:

Madi self-eliminates this season.

But again, I’m not sure exactly at what point this happens. We know it has to happen after the overnight date rose ceremony, because that’s where Victoria F. is eliminated. But does it happen before she meets Peter’s parents? It seems like it does, but I don’t have confirmation on that. Another thing I can report to you, and reiterate again because I said this at the beginning of the season, is that Chris Harrison’s speech to Peter on final rose ceremony day, is NOT to tell him Madison just left. That’s a bigger conversation than, “I just thought you should know,” which is what Chris says at the end of that speech. That speech from Chris has nothing to do with Madison.

The other aspect about Madison’s elimination becomes this: when she left, did she actually leave the country and go home, or, did she leave like Cassie did last season and take herself off the show, but was still there. My money is on she is still there, because I don’t think they would send her home. Lets for arguments sake say when Madison self-eliminated, she literally was allowed to get on a plane and they sent her home. Well, that means only one woman would be there on final rose ceremony day, and that would be Hannah Ann. If Peter always wanted to be with Hannah Ann, and she was his #1 choice, and that’s who he was all set to be with on final rose ceremony day, wouldn’t that make that final day of filming one of the easier final rose ceremonies ever? One of the two women aren’t even there. Sweet. Don’t have to break her heart and send her home on the last day, Hannah Ann is here, she’s the one I want, and in the words of Becca Kufrin, “Lets do the damn thing.” But we know this is not a normal ending and there’s craziness on final rose ceremony day. So I don’t think once Madi self-eliminated she left the country, and she’s still “there” in Australia on the day of the final rose ceremony. Will we see her? I don’t know.

Knowing now that Madison eliminated herself at some point during the final week of filming, surely the obvious next conclusion to make is that’s who Peter’s mom is talking about when she says to “Don’t let her go…bring her home to us.” Because why would she be saying that about Hannah Ann? SHE’S STILL THERE. And if your response is, “Well maybe his mom is saying that post-filming and that doesn’t happen before final rose ceremony,” then I guess my question in return would be, “If she’s saying to Peter ‘don’t let her go…bring her home’ post-filming, yet he had a chance to pick Hannah Ann on that final rose ceremony day, how could the mom be referring to Hannah Ann?” It doesn’t make sense for Peter’s mom in that clip to be referring to anyone other than Madison. Do I know 100% she’s referring to Madison? No. I’m just thinking out loud with the things I know versus what we’ve been shown.

The guesses that 90% of you have had of “Oh, well Madison leaves because Peter has sex and he chases her down,” yeah, that might be the gist of all this, but how it happens and when is still unknown. When people have said “chases her down,” what exactly does that mean? Where? Because we don’t know for sure if she left Australia or was still “there” even after self-eliminating. I keep coming back to this point of if Hannah Ann was the only woman still present on final rose ceremony day, and Hannah Ann was the woman Peter wanted, seems to me it’s a pretty easy ending. He picks her, and they’re together. I just don’t see it happening that way. You might relate this to the Des/Chris ending where she was all distraught over Brooks, then moved on with Chris. Hey, maybe Peter does do that. I just don’t believe that is the case this season. HOWEVER, since I don’t 100% know who Peter is with right now, it’s still a possibility.

Which then brings us to, “Well, what if he left Australia single, and was dating both women post-show,” or, “he’s not gonna make his final decision until the ATFR.” Again, I don’t think that’s the case because of the clip I posted on page 2 where Peter was specifically told a theory he was single, and responded with “I haven’t heard the actual ending yet though.” So I do not believe any final decision is coming at the ATFR. I also think that what happened on that final day in Australia doesn’t necessarily mean is what is happening in real time. Chris Harrison and Robert Mills (and Mills said it again yesterday in in this interview if you didn’t read on page 1 that “I would say even now the roller coaster hasn’t ended and it won’t end until After the Final Rose”) have been promoting and teasing all season things like “it might still not be over” and “we’ve seen in recent seasons, it’s technically always still going” so yeah, some finality will be had at the ATFR. Mills is very strategic in his answers. He’s not going to flat out lie. If there was one set couple that came out of this show and everything has been rainbows and daffodils since Australia, he wouldn’t say “the roller coaster hasn’t ended and it won’t end until After the Final Rose.”

I know, it’s a lot to take in. Mostly because I have bits and pieces to things I know happened, but without knowing exactly when they happened, it’s only telling parts of the story. And I have no solid confirmation, nor has there been any given in clips, that Madison is even part of final rose ceremony. Hell, there’s still a possibility once she leaves, she’s gonzo for good, Peter struggles but eventually gets there with Hannah Ann, and they’re a couple. I don’t think that’s what happened, but I guess it’s still a possibility. My biggest thing has been trying to find out what happened on final rose ceremony day. Nothing on social media post show is going to tell me that. And you hear bits and pieces from sources and try to figure out what’s right and what isn’t.

I have heard from numerous sources “Madison is with Peter. They are dating but not engaged.” If you’re holding a gun to my head and forced me to give you my opinion of how this all plays out, I’d say that would be my guess at this point. But that’s just it. A guess. I don’t know for sure. If I did, I’d tell you. I’m telling you that that’s what people have told me, but I haven’t had the solid confirmation I need to 100% believe it. But yeah, if you’re asking me what I think Peter’s current dating situation is, I’d go with that. They are together, definitely not engaged, and they are working on their relationship because this definitely hasn’t been easy on Madison from all accounts. That answer however doesn’t explain how they technically even got to that point, which is why I’ve been so hesitant to even offer that up as opinion. Because I don’t know how they got there.

When did Madison leave – before or after she was supposed to meet the parents?
Did Madison show up at the final rose ceremony at some point?
Is she even in the country still on the day of the final rose ceremony?
If she was there, how did it play out?
If she wasn’t there, did he chase her down back in the states?
If she was there, but didn’t show up on final rose ceremony day, did filming take place after final rose ceremony day, but STILL in Australia?

There’s a laundry list of questions I’ve been asking for the last 2 months, trust me, but I’d say these are the most important ones. And they all have to do with filming from the time the overnight date rose ceremony ended until final rose ceremony day. I have convos about this with people literally every single day. I don’t know the answers to those questions. If I did, this season would be so much easier to spoil. But the two main things I did share with you today, that Madison found out Peter had sex on the overnights came from a girl chat with Victoria F. and Hannah Ann, and that Madison self-eliminated, I hope at least gives some clarity to things you can work with from here since now these aren’t guesses, they are facts.

I’m sure you’ll all have your theories and speculations going forward, but I’m pretty sure it’ll be damn near impossible to nail down every detail of how the season plays out. The basics of “Madi leaves, Peter chases after her” I don’t think are the main issues at stake here, even though ultimately I think that might be the overarching storyline of where we’re at. But even that doesn’t fill in how it all played out in Australia. We’re still a month away from the finale airing, so there’s still time for me to get more info or pieces to the puzzle. When/if I hear anything else, I’ll let you know. Until then, enjoy this craziness…

Source: Reality Steve

Bachelorette New Zealand - Season 1 - Dr Lesina Nakhid-Schuster - Lily McManus - Media SM - Discussion - Sleuthing Spoilers

@karina I question Lesina’a motives for being on the show. I think she’s in it for the fame. I’ll admit I’ve mainly come to this conclusion from viewing her instagram. Can’t trust someone who only has photos of #1. It’s weird!

What was the hashtag they used during Honey Badger season? Something about women supporting women? Feels like the same narrative from the interviews Lily and Lesina have done. Neither picking anyone explains why they would Did that press piece with Jordan.... sending the message that not picking anyone is okay/better than tossing a coin/don’t settle for less than you deserve/independent women etc

Bachelorette New Zealand - Season 1 - Dr Lesina Nakhid-Schuster - Lily McManus - Episodes - Sleuthing Spoilers

blueblues wrote:Some thoughts on episode 8:

I wonder how the offing of Glenn was postponed until the next morning. Definitely a producer stunt. Did they only bring back the mole for debriefing that day?
Steve’s smoking became a thing because of how Lesina reacted, and called him out I front of the others (understandable, she is a doctor after all). It didn’t help that Steve was egged on for a good hour by the others before he talked to Aaron. I bet at least Marc did that on purpose.
Flynn, Conor and Jonathan are basically there only for the sightseeing at this point.
Kurt leaving was a shocker, and everyone seemed sad to see him go.
Lily seems to have a hard time dumping people. She has a big heart beneath that “crusty” exterior (as she would say).

JMO

Yep, Glenn was definitely producer driven but him staying as long as he did was producer driven too imo.

That episode made it clear to me that Aaron is the only contender for Lesina. She was talking to Aaron about their lives after the show and Aaron saying he’d move to Auckland ASAP! Also, on the group date, in front of everyone Lesina told Aaron that the most butterflies/spark she has had is with Aaron. Mark was there and so was Tavita and Jonathan as she said this in front of them all on the group date (it was like a date between Lesina and Aaron and the rest of them just tagging along). Lesina made it super obvious Aaron was her #1 and so Mark was no doubt trying to pot stir with Steve. Because it’s them all that feel insecure way more and jealous. They know that Aaron is the frontrunner (first rose at first rose ceremony, first date, 3 times given the Rose first at rose ceremonies, Lesina and him having lots of one on one time together and lesina taking him for one on one time at cocktail parties, sitting by Aaron and then her straight up saying in front of the other guys the most she has felt is with Aaron). Even Art’s reaction of “wow!” when Lesina told him she and Aaron were talking about where they would live after all this and making plans for the future was very telling. Lily and Art were like “stick a fork in it, Aaron is the one!”

The whole smoking thing and Steve saying “game on” made him look like he’s just competing and it’s a game. Same with Mark and Tavita. Like Lesina said and Lily said, the ONLY one that had only eyes for Lesina and smitten with her is Aaron. The guys are looking petty and immature when it’s Lesina making it clear what she wants. I’m here for the love story and that’s what I see with Aaron and Lesina and I’m loving it

Regarding Kurt. Both Lily and Lesina said he is so lovely and a wonderful man. He himself said he is super shy. I owe him an apology because he’s not a jock at all. He’s just a super fan of the warriors. That’s not a dumb or arrogant jock type whatsoever and he seems just lovely and hopefully he finds his best friend. From what I’ve sleuthed of his public Facebook, he is beloved by his friends and family and seems like a good and genuine guy.