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Bachelorette 15 - Hannah Brown - Media - SM - Sleuthing Spoilers #7

Chgohighlife wrote:
Julie81 wrote:I don’t think for a minute Tyler was number 3 or number 4. Peter was purely physical and I just can’t even put into words what Luke was to her. I think he had a weird hold on her, but I don’t know how to categorize him on the number scale.

IMO, Luke was #1 for a looonnng time. That's why the other guys were so frustrated and also why he was such a jackazz. He knew it, tptb knew it (which is why they kept putting him back in her face) and the other guys did too. Don't ask me to explain why because he makes my skin crawl, just watch her behavior whenever she talks about him, defends him and cancels cocktail parties because she is hearing things she doesn't like about him from the others.
Jed, IMO was always #2. That's why she told him and him only, she was falling in love with him and even moreso, that's why even though his family practically each broke their backs waving, wearing, eating, singing RED FLAGS ---- Hannah totally ignored them.
If Peter is WM guy and he was always #4 ---- you interpret that however you like.

Hi. Even if you believe in your “ranking,” which I personally do not... Hannah said herself she was “right there” with all of her final men. They kept fluctuating, depending who she was with. That’s probably actually how it is for a lot of leads, in this artificial environment building connections with people with limited time and information. I don’t think it’s unreasonable AT ALL that once in the real world, watching all of this back and gaining clarity on the entire situation, she realized, and realized pretty fast imo, that Tyler was her guy. JMO.

Bachelorette 15 - Hannah Brown - Media - SM - Sleuthing Spoilers #7

Summerfun1980 wrote:
Bleiby527 wrote:
Summerfun1980 wrote:
Bleiby527 wrote:
Summerfun1980 wrote:
Bleiby527 wrote:
Chgohighlife wrote:
Julie81 wrote:I don’t think for a minute Tyler was number 3 or number 4. Peter was purely physical and I just can’t even put into words what Luke was to her. I think he had a weird hold on her, but I don’t know how to categorize him on the number scale.

IMO, Luke was #1 for a looonnng time. That's why the other guys were so frustrated and also why he was such a jackazz. He knew it, tptb knew it (which is why they kept putting him back in her face) and the other guys did too. Don't ask me to explain why because he makes my skin crawl, just watch her behavior whenever she talks about him, defends him and cancels cocktail parties because she is hearing things she doesn't like about him from the others.
Jed, IMO was always #2. That's why she told him and him only, she was falling in love with him and even moreso, that's why even though his family practically each broke their backs waving, wearing, eating, singing RED FLAGS ---- Hannah totally ignored them.
If Peter is WM guy and he was always #4 ---- you interpret that however you like.

I interpret it as Hannah wanting to sleep with Peter in a windmill, and not having anything to do with any ranking? A lot of women can separate sex from love.

I would. I wasn’t on here back then. But there will be more conversations in this case because Hannah chose to explic

People keep saying this but she’s on a show looking to find a husband not love island or mtv’s are you the one?. Her screwing Peter just because doesn’t really fit the program she’s on. JMO

I think that "testing the merchandise" is fairly important when trying to find a husband?

But you said you don’t think Hannah wanted to do anything other than have sex in a windmill with Peter? That Peter was purely physical? That means he wasn’t in contention to be her husband? So why does she need to test his merchandise? Having sex with Peter wouldn’t build an emotional connection with him. It would be sex just to do it.

Because she didn't know where her head was at the time and wanted to be sure? We can see this looking back that her connection with Peter was solely physical but Hannah had to go through the process herself in order to discover it.

I also just can't see us having the same conversation about Ben Higgins, another Christian, who most likely had sex with his top 3 as well.

Ok. I thought you were saying she knew at the time she just wanted to have sex with Peter. Misunderstanding on my part.

I would but can’t speak for others re Ben. Also did Ben explicitly state who he had sex with and where? We wouldn’t be having this discussion if Hannah had chosen to de discrete, like I’m sure Ben and other did, because we wouldn’t know what she did. There’s no way Hannah didn’t know we would be having this discussion, when she said what she said to Luke, so why can’t we have it. She invited it.

I personally think we're having this discussion because society views women and sex differently than it views men and sex. Perhaps for good reason, as there are more serious consequences of sex for women - pregnancy. But that said, Hannah is being held to a different standard than any Bachelor would be who had sex with multiple contestants. JMO.

Bachelorette 15 - Hannah Brown - Media - SM - Sleuthing Spoilers #7

Bleiby527 wrote:
Summerfun1980 wrote:
Bleiby527 wrote:
Summerfun1980 wrote:
Bleiby527 wrote:
Chgohighlife wrote:
Julie81 wrote:I don’t think for a minute Tyler was number 3 or number 4. Peter was purely physical and I just can’t even put into words what Luke was to her. I think he had a weird hold on her, but I don’t know how to categorize him on the number scale.

IMO, Luke was #1 for a looonnng time. That's why the other guys were so frustrated and also why he was such a jackazz. He knew it, tptb knew it (which is why they kept putting him back in her face) and the other guys did too. Don't ask me to explain why because he makes my skin crawl, just watch her behavior whenever she talks about him, defends him and cancels cocktail parties because she is hearing things she doesn't like about him from the others.
Jed, IMO was always #2. That's why she told him and him only, she was falling in love with him and even moreso, that's why even though his family practically each broke their backs waving, wearing, eating, singing RED FLAGS ---- Hannah totally ignored them.
If Peter is WM guy and he was always #4 ---- you interpret that however you like.

I interpret it as Hannah wanting to sleep with Peter in a windmill, and not having anything to do with any ranking? A lot of women can separate sex from love.

I would. I wasn’t on here back then. But there will be more conversations in this case because Hannah chose to explic

People keep saying this but she’s on a show looking to find a husband not love island or mtv’s are you the one?. Her screwing Peter just because doesn’t really fit the program she’s on. JMO

I think that "testing the merchandise" is fairly important when trying to find a husband?

But you said you don’t think Hannah wanted to do anything other than have sex in a windmill with Peter? That Peter was purely physical? That means he wasn’t in contention to be her husband? So why does she need to test his merchandise? Having sex with Peter wouldn’t build an emotional connection with him. It would be sex just to do it.

Because she didn't know where her head was at the time and wanted to be sure? We can see this looking back that her connection with Peter was solely physical but Hannah had to go through the process herself in order to discover it.

I also just can't see us having the same conversation about Ben Higgins, another Christian, who most likely had sex with his top 3 as well.

Ok. I thought you were saying she knew at the time she just wanted to have sex with Peter. Misunderstanding on my part.

I would but can’t speak for others re Ben. Also did Ben explicitly state who he had sex with and where? We wouldn’t be having this discussion if Hannah had chosen to de discrete, like I’m sure Ben and other did, because we wouldn’t know what she did. There’s no way Hannah didn’t know we would be having this discussion, when she said what she said to Luke, so why can’t we have it. She invited it.

Bachelorette 15 - Hannah Brown - Media - SM - Sleuthing Spoilers #7

Summerfun1980 wrote:
Bleiby527 wrote:
Summerfun1980 wrote:
Bleiby527 wrote:
Chgohighlife wrote:
Julie81 wrote:I don’t think for a minute Tyler was number 3 or number 4. Peter was purely physical and I just can’t even put into words what Luke was to her. I think he had a weird hold on her, but I don’t know how to categorize him on the number scale.

IMO, Luke was #1 for a looonnng time. That's why the other guys were so frustrated and also why he was such a jackazz. He knew it, tptb knew it (which is why they kept putting him back in her face) and the other guys did too. Don't ask me to explain why because he makes my skin crawl, just watch her behavior whenever she talks about him, defends him and cancels cocktail parties because she is hearing things she doesn't like about him from the others.
Jed, IMO was always #2. That's why she told him and him only, she was falling in love with him and even moreso, that's why even though his family practically each broke their backs waving, wearing, eating, singing RED FLAGS ---- Hannah totally ignored them.
If Peter is WM guy and he was always #4 ---- you interpret that however you like.

I interpret it as Hannah wanting to sleep with Peter in a windmill, and not having anything to do with any ranking? A lot of women can separate sex from love.

People keep saying this but she’s on a show looking to find a husband not love island or mtv’s are you the one?. Her screwing Peter just because doesn’t really fit the program she’s on. JMO

I think that "testing the merchandise" is fairly important when trying to find a husband?

But you said you don’t think Hannah wanted to do anything other than have sex in a windmill with Peter? That Peter was purely physical? That means he wasn’t in contention to be her husband? So why does she need to test his merchandise? Having sex with Peter wouldn’t build an emotional connection with him. It would be sex just to do it.

Because she didn't know where her head was at the time and wanted to be sure? We can see this looking back that her connection with Peter was solely physical but Hannah had to go through the process herself in order to discover it.

I also just can't see us having the same conversation about Ben Higgins, another Christian, who most likely had sex with his top 3 as well.

Bachelorette 15 - Hannah Brown - Media - SM - Sleuthing Spoilers #7

Summerfun1980 wrote:
Bleiby527 wrote:
Summerfun1980 wrote:
Bleiby527 wrote:
Chgohighlife wrote:
Julie81 wrote:I don’t think for a minute Tyler was number 3 or number 4. Peter was purely physical and I just can’t even put into words what Luke was to her. I think he had a weird hold on her, but I don’t know how to categorize him on the number scale.

IMO, Luke was #1 for a looonnng time. That's why the other guys were so frustrated and also why he was such a jackazz. He knew it, tptb knew it (which is why they kept putting him back in her face) and the other guys did too. Don't ask me to explain why because he makes my skin crawl, just watch her behavior whenever she talks about him, defends him and cancels cocktail parties because she is hearing things she doesn't like about him from the others.
Jed, IMO was always #2. That's why she told him and him only, she was falling in love with him and even moreso, that's why even though his family practically each broke their backs waving, wearing, eating, singing RED FLAGS ---- Hannah totally ignored them.
If Peter is WM guy and he was always #4 ---- you interpret that however you like.

I interpret it as Hannah wanting to sleep with Peter in a windmill, and not having anything to do with any ranking? A lot of women can separate sex from love.

People keep saying this but she’s on a show looking to find a husband not love island or mtv’s are you the one?. Her screwing Peter just because doesn’t really fit the program she’s on. JMO

Because she didn't know where her head was at the time and wanted to be sure? We can see this looking back that her connection with Peter was solely physical but Hannah had to go through the process herself in order to discover it.

I also just can't see us having the same conversation about Ben Higgins, another Christian, who most likely had sex with his top 3 as well.

I think that "testing the merchandise" is fairly important when trying to find a husband?

But you said you don’t think Hannah wanted to do anything other than have sex in a windmill with Peter? That Peter was purely physical? That means he wasn’t in contention to be her husband? So why does she need to test his merchandise? Having sex with Peter wouldn’t build an emotional connection with him. It would be sex just to do it.

Bachelorette 15 - Hannah Brown - Media - SM - Sleuthing Spoilers #7

Bleiby527 wrote:
Summerfun1980 wrote:
Bleiby527 wrote:
Chgohighlife wrote:
Julie81 wrote:I don’t think for a minute Tyler was number 3 or number 4. Peter was purely physical and I just can’t even put into words what Luke was to her. I think he had a weird hold on her, but I don’t know how to categorize him on the number scale.

IMO, Luke was #1 for a looonnng time. That's why the other guys were so frustrated and also why he was such a jackazz. He knew it, tptb knew it (which is why they kept putting him back in her face) and the other guys did too. Don't ask me to explain why because he makes my skin crawl, just watch her behavior whenever she talks about him, defends him and cancels cocktail parties because she is hearing things she doesn't like about him from the others.
Jed, IMO was always #2. That's why she told him and him only, she was falling in love with him and even moreso, that's why even though his family practically each broke their backs waving, wearing, eating, singing RED FLAGS ---- Hannah totally ignored them.
If Peter is WM guy and he was always #4 ---- you interpret that however you like.

I interpret it as Hannah wanting to sleep with Peter in a windmill, and not having anything to do with any ranking? A lot of women can separate sex from love.

People keep saying this but she’s on a show looking to find a husband not love island or mtv’s are you the one?. Her screwing Peter just because doesn’t really fit the program she’s on. JMO

I think that "testing the merchandise" is fairly important when trying to find a husband?

But you said you don’t think Hannah wanted to do anything other than have sex in a windmill with Peter? That Peter was purely physical? That means he wasn’t in contention to be her husband? So why does she need to test his merchandise? Having sex with Peter wouldn’t build an emotional connection with him. It would be sex just to do it.

Bachelorette 15 - Hannah Brown - Media - SM - Sleuthing Spoilers #7

Summerfun1980 wrote:
Bleiby527 wrote:
Chgohighlife wrote:
Julie81 wrote:I don’t think for a minute Tyler was number 3 or number 4. Peter was purely physical and I just can’t even put into words what Luke was to her. I think he had a weird hold on her, but I don’t know how to categorize him on the number scale.

IMO, Luke was #1 for a looonnng time. That's why the other guys were so frustrated and also why he was such a jackazz. He knew it, tptb knew it (which is why they kept putting him back in her face) and the other guys did too. Don't ask me to explain why because he makes my skin crawl, just watch her behavior whenever she talks about him, defends him and cancels cocktail parties because she is hearing things she doesn't like about him from the others.
Jed, IMO was always #2. That's why she told him and him only, she was falling in love with him and even moreso, that's why even though his family practically each broke their backs waving, wearing, eating, singing RED FLAGS ---- Hannah totally ignored them.
If Peter is WM guy and he was always #4 ---- you interpret that however you like.

I interpret it as Hannah wanting to sleep with Peter in a windmill, and not having anything to do with any ranking? A lot of women can separate sex from love.

People keep saying this but she’s on a show looking to find a husband not love island or mtv’s are you the one?. Her screwing Peter just because doesn’t really fit the program she’s on. JMO

I think that "testing the merchandise" is fairly important when trying to find a husband?

Bachelorette 15 - Hannah Brown - Media - SM - Sleuthing Spoilers #7

Bleiby527 wrote:
Chgohighlife wrote:
Julie81 wrote:I don’t think for a minute Tyler was number 3 or number 4. Peter was purely physical and I just can’t even put into words what Luke was to her. I think he had a weird hold on her, but I don’t know how to categorize him on the number scale.

IMO, Luke was #1 for a looonnng time. That's why the other guys were so frustrated and also why he was such a jackazz. He knew it, tptb knew it (which is why they kept putting him back in her face) and the other guys did too. Don't ask me to explain why because he makes my skin crawl, just watch her behavior whenever she talks about him, defends him and cancels cocktail parties because she is hearing things she doesn't like about him from the others.
Jed, IMO was always #2. That's why she told him and him only, she was falling in love with him and even moreso, that's why even though his family practically each broke their backs waving, wearing, eating, singing RED FLAGS ---- Hannah totally ignored them.
If Peter is WM guy and he was always #4 ---- you interpret that however you like.

I interpret it as Hannah wanting to sleep with Peter in a windmill, and not having anything to do with any ranking? A lot of women can separate sex from love.

People keep saying this but she’s on a show looking to find a husband not love island or mtv’s are you the one?. Her screwing Peter just because doesn’t really fit the program she’s on. JMO

Bachelorette 15 - Hannah Brown - Media - SM - Sleuthing Spoilers #7

Chgohighlife wrote:
Julie81 wrote:I don’t think for a minute Tyler was number 3 or number 4. Peter was purely physical and I just can’t even put into words what Luke was to her. I think he had a weird hold on her, but I don’t know how to categorize him on the number scale.

IMO, Luke was #1 for a looonnng time. That's why the other guys were so frustrated and also why he was such a jackazz. He knew it, tptb knew it (which is why they kept putting him back in her face) and the other guys did too. Don't ask me to explain why because he makes my skin crawl, just watch her behavior whenever she talks about him, defends him and cancels cocktail parties because she is hearing things she doesn't like about him from the others.
Jed, IMO was always #2. That's why she told him and him only, she was falling in love with him and even moreso, that's why even though his family practically each broke their backs waving, wearing, eating, singing RED FLAGS ---- Hannah totally ignored them.
If Peter is WM guy and he was always #4 ---- you interpret that however you like.

I interpret it as Hannah wanted to sleep with Peter in a windmill, and not having anything to do with any ranking? A lot of women can separate sex from love.

Bachelorette 15 - Hannah Brown - Media - SM - Sleuthing Spoilers #7

Julie81 wrote:I don’t think for a minute Tyler was number 3 or number 4. Peter was purely physical and I just can’t even put into words what Luke was to her. I think he had a weird hold on her, but I don’t know how to categorize him on the number scale.

IMO, Luke was #1 for a looonnng time. That's why the other guys were so frustrated and also why he was such a jackazz. He knew it, tptb knew it (which is why they kept putting him back in her face) and the other guys did too. Don't ask me to explain why because he makes my skin crawl, just watch her behavior whenever she talks about him, defends him and cancels cocktail parties because she is hearing things she doesn't like about him from the others.
Jed, IMO was always #2. That's why she told him and him only, she was falling in love with him and even moreso, that's why even though his family practically each broke their backs waving, wearing, eating, singing RED FLAGS ---- Hannah totally ignored them.
If Peter is WM guy and he was always #4 ---- you interpret that however you like.

Bachelorette 15 - Hannah Brown - Comparisons - SLEUTHING SPOILERS

sbolduc wrote:
Just Looking wrote:@Lucas15 It’s sounding more and more like a very manipulated show, which I didnt fully realise until Colton’s season. It is emotionally destructive IMO

Yep.

Not sure if this is the right spot for this post so mods please move if necessary. After last episode I keep feeling this season was incredibly manipulated by the producers and they were true puppet masters, not that they aren't in other seasons but this one especially. And they might just pull off an incredible ending. In looking at both Luke and Jed's storylines, I think the producers knew exactly what they were dealing with.

In terms of Luke, as others said they wanted him to make it to FS to get the blow out. But, I am more amazed by the Jed/Tyler storyline. I think the producers knew 100% about Jed and his girlfriend back home. The way that Jed's hometown date was filmed was eery, it was clear everyone (Jed's family) knew what was going on and was confused, the way it was edited and filmed it was almost "too on the nose". If they (TPTB) didn't know there is no way producers filmed that and didn't think "what the f*ck is going on here". As the girls on Here to Make Friends said it almost had a "Get Out" vibe. Where everyone in the main cast knows what is happening but are putting up smoke and mirrors to try and trick the audience but the audience is "kind of" in the know. This isn't to mention the number of times Jed is playing his damn guitar - again too "on the nose", TPTB were building a story arc for Jed and did it through what appears are his own actions on the show.

In contrast with Tyler - you have a guy who on the outset comes across as a cocky, jock, playboy, model. Someone who you aren't sure is ready for marriage. TPTB definitely played into that with Hannah. She has said on multiple occasions she isn't sure he is ready and thinks he might be a player. Vs. Jed who she "trusts", he is soft spoken and comes across much more honest and trustworthy than Tyler on the outset.

The storyline this season IMO is the growth of Hannah B from girl to woman. For her to be able to move past the true toxic relationships (i.e. Luke) and be able to recognize a person beyond their exterior layers (i.e. Tyler). For her to truly choose someone who chooses her "everyday" and chooses the real Hannah. I think TPTB knew about Jed, his GFs and his true reason for going on the show. I think they had a storyline where Jed in reality was everything she thought Tyler was and why she wouldn't pick Tyler. When in reality Tyler was the the teen movie leading man, the Peter Kavinsky character, popular, attractive, smart, kind, honest, charismatic, smooth etc. The one she was afraid to fall for because she didn't fully trust him. If you look at his (Tyler's) story arc he came across cocky on night 1, saying all the right things in episode 2 and 3. But in episode 4 he starts to step up, being a supportive man to Hannah's emotional distress and then continues to by standing up for her to the guys (situations that Hannah has no idea are happening).

In this journey I think TPTB wanted her to choose Jed, even knowing what they know (about Haley, career, Barbie). I think they wanted her to choose him to find all this out. I think they knew that she wouldn't put her guard down with Tyler but if she did she would have been truly torn. They wanted her to know that Jed had a bunch of skeletons, Tyler who you would think would have skeletons had none. Tyler is the guy that should be F1 based on the storyline we are being sold by TPTB as the right person for Hannah through his actions (standing up for her to the guys) and choosing her (saying he wants the real Hannah, never really questioning her choices always saying she is doing what is best for her) etc. etc. With Jed, Hannah will be his #2, his #1 will be his music (per his HTD). With Tyler, Hannah is always #1, he always recognizes she is the lead and he is her supporting cast member (i.e. when he says "this is her journey", "I want to be your arm candy", "she is so strong", "I want that woman [the one that yelled at the guys]")

If Tyler and Hannah end up together I truly think TPTB were trying to make this happen from mid way through the season. The edit and the actions of the contestants and family members this season is way too "on the nose" otherwise.

All IMO.

I just had to bump this. Such a great post. I am waiting patiently for the show to catch up to real life and so curious to see how it all ends.

Bachelorette 15 - Hannah Brown - Comparisons - SLEUTHING SPOILERS

Just Looking wrote:@Lucas15 It’s sounding more and more like a very manipulated show, which I didnt fully realise until Colton’s season. It is emotionally destructive IMO

Yep.

Not sure if this is the right spot for this post so mods please move if necessary. After last episode I keep feeling this season was incredibly manipulated by the producers and they were true puppet masters, not that they aren't in other seasons but this one especially. And they might just pull off an incredible ending. In looking at both Luke and Jed's storylines, I think the producers knew exactly what they were dealing with.

In terms of Luke, as others said they wanted him to make it to FS to get the blow out. But, I am more amazed by the Jed/Tyler storyline. I think the producers knew 100% about Jed and his girlfriend back home. The way that Jed's hometown date was filmed was eery, it was clear everyone (Jed's family) knew what was going on and was confused, the way it was edited and filmed it was almost "too on the nose". If they (TPTB) didn't know there is no way producers filmed that and didn't think "what the f*ck is going on here". As the girls on Here to Make Friends said it almost had a "Get Out" vibe. Where everyone in the main cast knows what is happening but are putting up smoke and mirrors to try and trick the audience but the audience is "kind of" in the know. This isn't to mention the number of times Jed is playing his damn guitar - again too "on the nose", TPTB were building a story arc for Jed and did it through what appears are his own actions on the show.

In contrast with Tyler - you have a guy who on the outset comes across as a cocky, jock, playboy, model. Someone who you aren't sure is ready for marriage. TPTB definitely played into that with Hannah. She has said on multiple occasions she isn't sure he is ready and thinks he might be a player. Vs. Jed who she "trusts", he is soft spoken and comes across much more honest and trustworthy than Tyler on the outset.

The storyline this season IMO is the growth of Hannah B from girl to woman. For her to be able to move past the true toxic relationships (i.e. Luke) and be able to recognize a person beyond their exterior layers (i.e. Tyler). For her to truly choose someone who chooses her "everyday" and chooses the real Hannah. I think TPTB knew about Jed, his GFs and his true reason for going on the show. I think they had a storyline where Jed in reality was everything she thought Tyler was and why she wouldn't pick Tyler. When in reality Tyler was the the teen movie leading man, the Peter Kavinsky character, popular, attractive, smart, kind, honest, charismatic, smooth etc. The one she was afraid to fall for because she didn't fully trust him. If you look at his (Tyler's) story arc he came across cocky on night 1, saying all the right things in episode 2 and 3. But in episode 4 he starts to step up, being a supportive man to Hannah's emotional distress and then continues to by standing up for her to the guys (situations that Hannah has no idea are happening).

In this journey I think TPTB wanted her to choose Jed, even knowing what they know (about Haley, career, Barbie). I think they wanted her to choose him to find all this out. I think they knew that she wouldn't put her guard down with Tyler but if she did she would have been truly torn. They wanted her to know that Jed had a bunch of skeletons, Tyler who you would think would have skeletons had none. Tyler is the guy that should be F1 based on the storyline we are being sold by TPTB as the right person for Hannah through his actions (standing up for her to the guys) and choosing her (saying he wants the real Hannah, never really questioning her choices always saying she is doing what is best for her) etc. etc. With Jed, Hannah will be his #2, his #1 will be his music (per his HTD). With Tyler, Hannah is always #1, he always recognizes she is the lead and he is her supporting cast member (i.e. when he says "this is her journey", "I want to be your arm candy", "she is so strong", "I want that woman [the one that yelled at the guys]")

If Tyler and Hannah end up together I truly think TPTB were trying to make this happen from mid way through the season. The edit and the actions of the contestants and family members this season is way too "on the nose" otherwise.

All IMO.