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Bachelorette 15 - Hannah Brown - Media - SM - Sleuthing Spoilers #3

GuardianAngel wrote:
whit90 wrote:Just curious but why does Hannah not promote her season like every lead has done ?

I posted that a few days ago as well. I don't think she promotes her season like others have. She fell asleep during last week's epi. I understand it's gruelling, but she's #15 not #1. It's not like the others weren't exhausted.

IMHO she is the 'ette. We should be seeing much more of her in SM out and about.

Hannah is starting to bug me.

Bachelorette 15 - Hannah Brown - Media - SM - Sleuthing Spoilers #3

whit90 wrote:Just curious but why does Hannah not promote her season like every lead has done ?

I posted that a few days ago as well. I don't think she promotes her season like others have. She fell asleep during last week's epi. I understand it's gruelling, but she's #15 not #1. It's not like the others weren't exhausted.

IMHO she is the 'ette. We should be seeing much more of her in SM out and about.

Bachelorette 15 - Hannah Brown - SHV's - Discussion - Sleuthing Spoilers #2

HEA wrote:

I agree that RS spoilings are not fun. I personally prefer not to be spoiled and I have been in the no spoilers threads a few times and enjoyed myself way more. RS has been wrong a couple of times so he is not 100% all the time correct.

This season, it took him way longer to announce his spoiled F1 and he said that it took him a 2nd proof to be certain. This in itself is questionable IMO. Prods know very very well RS. Lately, they changed many things so RS got less credit such spoiling all the contestants prior the premiere or changing the teasers etc. Prods it seems want to be ahead of RS. RS is not very established in the bachelor nation and everyone is giving him datas, right or wrong. so he can be right like most of the time he is... or not. and prods since they changed the crew may have decided to be smarter than they did in the past and play with him thru social medias.

The scenario I see is Tyler as F1... eye candy to friend to best friend to lover to fiance. Pros: modeling (both), Faith, adventurous (that is he way I see him) Cons: not ready to marry yet (still party with friends -boat, DJs), place to live unknown (NYC seems to be his goal but who knows?)

The scenario I see with Jed as F1... South connection that only Southern people have with each other (difficult to explain but real). Pros: Country music love. Nashville love. Faith. Husband material. Cons: country music may be his priority and that could definitely pull away Hannah who wants to be #1.

both have pros and cons. I see Hannah more attracted to Tyler in the long run only because of his focus on her, his dedication. This may change but this is how I feel right now.

JMO

It didn't take RS way longer to announce the spoiler this season. It always varies. I think people have become so used to his spoilers, we are becoming more and more impatient and want results ASAP and it just seems longer. This was about average and as for waiting for the second source, that too is standard. Ever since the Des disaster, he tries to have multiple sources, so that too is normal operating procedure.

I don't know what you mean by RS not being very established in bachelor nation. Many of the cast have admitted to knowing about him, read him and plenty speak to him...even before their contract runs out. Look at how many have come on his podcast. Yes, some have fed him false spoilers over the years, but others were in cahoots with him during their seasons. (Not that they would ever admit it that, but there have been seasons when it was pretty clear who his sources were.) Also, that is why he got sued...twice. TPTB have figured out by now that he won't be going anywhere so yes, they do things to steal his thunder, but for the most part IMO they have realized that he is just another tool that promotes their show and any publicity is good publicity.

As for list of pros and cons for Tyler and Jed, I really don't understand how why you keep saying one is husband material and ready for marriage and one isn't...unless you knew them both personally? They are just about the same age, both work in fields where there is plenty of opportunity to sow their wild oats, they both go out with their friends...to bars and otherwise. Both seem to have faith in their lives which is clearly important to Hannah. To me it is a toss up. Maybe one is ready and not the other, maybe both are ready and waiting to find the right person, maybe neither is....including Hannah. They are all so young, I hope who ever it is has a long engagement.

I personally prefer Hannah with Tyler. IMO she is a different person with him. I would also prefer Tyler for myself...if I wasn't old enough to be his mother! That said, it is her choice and from what we have been shown thus far on the show, she could do well with either...or Peter for that matter. Now if we could just skip over all the Luke drama and get to the finish!

Bachelorette 15 - Hannah Brown - SHV's - Discussion - Sleuthing Spoilers #2

[mention]Dahling[/mention] wrote:I agree that something seems different this season.

I think that because Tyler has already been spoiled as F1, they don't need to hide Jed. They probably need to actually show him so it'll make sense in the end. I also think that RS and the TPTB may actually be working together this time. Doesn't RS help promote other shows?

I also think that TPTB may have spoiled RS with Tyler because they knew he could carry a lot of interest to the end, while Jed (sorry Jed) may not be as interesting. People may not tune in if they knew it was Jed in the end. It's all about the ratings - right?

I was unaware of the music that they typically play for F! - I'll have to think about this.

BTW I would love for it to be Tyler at the end, but I would immediately be concerned for her.

I agree that RS spoilings are not fun. I personally prefer not to be spoiled and I have been in the no spoilers threads a few times and enjoyed myself way more. RS has been wrong a couple of times so he is not 100% all the time correct.

This season, it took him way longer to announce his spoiled F1 and he said that it took him a 2nd proof to be certain. This in itself is questionable IMO. Prods know very very well RS. Lately, they changed many things so RS got less credit such spoiling all the contestants prior the premiere or changing the teasers etc. Prods it seems want to be ahead of RS. RS is not very established in the bachelor nation and everyone is giving him datas, right or wrong. so he can be right like most of the time he is... or not. and prods since they changed the crew may have decided to be smarter than they did in the past and play with him thru social medias.

The scenario I see is Tyler as F1... eye candy to friend to best friend to lover to fiance. Pros: modeling (both), Faith, adventurous (that is he way I see him) Cons: not ready to marry yet (still party with friends -boat, DJs), place to live unknown (NYC seems to be his goal but who knows?)

The scenario I see with Jed as F1... South connection that only Southern people have with each other (difficult to explain but real). Pros: Country music love. Nashville love. Faith. Husband material. Cons: country music may be his priority and that could definitely pull away Hannah who wants to be {#}1{/#}.

both have pros and cons. I see Hannah more attracted to Tyler in the long run only because of his focus on her, his dedication. This may change but this is how I feel right now.

JMO

Bachelorette 15 - Luke Parker - Sleuthing Spoilers

Imo prods had nobody else to incorporate drama they love so much. Cam and Luke S went too quickly, they had to edit something somehow someone. This reminds me of Jordan with jojo. I know it is partly a different crew but they edit him to be more disliked.

His faith was a major barrier with the other guys. It is hard to explain but some people are breathing faith in everything they do, every minute of the day. I met some in my life. They are ordinary people, no worse or better than anyone but everything is faith related.

So if a person is mixed for weeks with other guys who have faith but not as much passion, add to that Hannah who have interest to Luke, plus I think Luke is completely convinced he is doing the right thing...

I do not believe Luke is a villain at all. I believe he is bothering everyone on the show because his faith is {#}1{/#} in every aspect, every minute of the day.

But this is in my opinion only one part... I think he thought God chose Hannah to become his wife and everything who doesn’t go in this happy ending direction becomes an obstacle that he doesn’t cope well or doesn’t understand how to resolve. In his mind Hannah should push aside everything and everyone... but she doesn’t.

Again, I met few Luke in my life. They want perfection in every aspect of their life, they know they are imperfect themselves but they aim to live and breathe Jesus' words.

I am sure he rubbed the guys the wrong way. No doubt. Those people are often very judgmental and annoying because they hardly respect boundaries and especially if the person in front of them are believers but live their faith differently. For them, some need salvation and some are ignored because non believers.

The best way to describe him is thinking of him of an Amish (yes! Faith is completely different I know!) outside his community. Or a Christian orthodox amongst Catholics. Or Protestant amongst Catholics. Nobody is better or worse but the inner faith is lived differently... therefore the person can react or be perceived differently because misunderstood ... add to that his character, his personality... AND the edits...

For me, he is very human. Too intense for my taste. Too rigorous. Too much. I tend to stay away from those characters because they are exhausting, never admitting they can be wrong. But they have also qualities such loyalty, honesty (they believe what they say is true), helpful. But overall kinda annoying

So no villain but totally out of place in this franchise.

All here is JMO

Bachelorette 15 - Hannah Brown - SHV's - Discussion - Sleuthing Spoilers #2

HEA wrote:@teamfiercelove I am. Because I do not see much people defending Jed. It seems to me that the poor guy is judged because he is a singer and I find it unfair. I also think that it it is very difficult to be neutral and many times I have seen the “other” guy trashed unnecessary. I am always on the side of the minority. My point is that when someone is fan of #1, it is very rare this person will follow as closely #2. Therefore it is easy to be biased and not have all the facts in hands. I will give the benefice of the doubt because some members here are incredible with sleuthing SHV. But when someone says she knows he is in Nashville and hardly moved, then I am questioning how this someone can be 100% certain. Nothing wrong with that right?

To be honest, I think Tyler has more chances to be F1. I think he is more tune with Hannah. They are both playful. But I think it will be long engagement. They are not ready imo which is ok, they are very young. I truly like Tyler. I just think he is a bit less mature than Jed.

I love Jed. He's hawt!

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Tyler is...meh.

I like that Tyler and Jed are exchanging words on IG. They seem cool with one another being F2 and F1. And Jed is NOT Robby 2.0. Robby is so...what's the word? Slimy.

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Bachelorette 15 - Hannah Brown - SHV's - Discussion - Sleuthing Spoilers #2

{@=16292}teamfiercelove{/@} I am. Because I do not see much people defending Jed. It seems to me that the poor guy is judged because he is a singer and I find it unfair. I also think that it it is very difficult to be neutral and many times I have seen the “other” guy trashed unnecessary. I am always on the side of the minority. My point is that when someone is fan of {#}1{/#}, it is very rare this person will follow as closely {#}2{/#}. Therefore it is easy to be biased and not have all the facts in hands. I will give the benefice of the doubt because some members here are incredible with sleuthing SHV. But when someone says she knows he is in Nashville and hardly moved, then I am questioning how this someone can be 100% certain. Nothing wrong with that right?

To be honest, I think Tyler has more chances to be F1. I think he is more tune with Hannah. They are both playful. But I think it will be long engagement. They are not ready imo which is ok, they are very young. I truly like Tyler. I just think he is a bit less mature than Jed.

Bachelorette 15 - Hannah Brown - General Discussion - Sleuthing Spoilers

I think at this point, she is sexual with her top 4. Luke will come later.

When a woman says she does not care if she messes her cocktail dress in order to kiss... it is as sexual as moving on top the poll or take one on the bed

Hannah said it herself in interviews that her {#}1{/#} was luke

Bachelorette 15 - Hannah Brown - Media - SM - Sleuthing Spoilers #3

That interview was done after episode 2. Yes, at that point Luke P was her #1, but things started changing even during that episode. When Jed caught them making out, I think she realised that she had to give others a chance. The next episode she told Luke to back off and to wait while she talked to other guys, so I would say things started changing even more at that point. With each episode, as more and more of the guys accosted her about Luke, I think things went down hill between them. On top of that, she started building connections with the others...Jed, Peter and Tyler...and that further deteriorated the relationship. So, by the end of episode 4, I would say that for me, yes she actually was falling for Jed and Tyler and really questioning her connection to Luke.

Bachelorette 15 - Hannah Brown - Media - SM - Sleuthing Spoilers #3

not sure if this was already shared but I found it very interesting. Especially when she said that Luke P was {#}1{/#} and the chemistry was mindblowing.

she explained very well that she had to take some steps back in order to give some chances to the other guys. So for me, at episode 4, she was not falling for Tyler or Jed. I cannot wait to know what will trigger the rejection.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjXg6bPudvE#action=share&ytbChannel=null

Bachelorette 15 - Jed Wyatt - Sleuthing Spoilers

I am very surprised that Jed do not have much attention as a potential F1. I understand RS said that Tyler is F1 but I do not rely 100% as he was wrong in the past, can be wrong this season too.

At episode 4, I think the position are Luke {#}1{/#} Jed {#}2{/#} and Tyler just upgrade {#}3{/#}. Peter is for me the future bachelor if his exit is teary enough.

Luke is her crush IMO. She is so much looking to be passionately loved that she made her fairy tale with Luke and cannot let go yet (ep4). However, she is starting to take some steps back because of so many red flags. She loved the idea that Luke is a Christian and always tells her he is falling in love. She wants that, desperately and she is a sponge to his love words. I believe Luke is genuine BTW. I also believe this show was not for him at all. His passion aka obsession with Hannah as well as the first rose and obviously Hannah's interest put him on the villain side. I do not think he is a villain. I think he felt lonely and the show brought all the bad side of himself: jealousy and temper. But outside the show in a normal environment, I am pretty sure he is okay. I have this image of an animal tracked by wolves. I do not like him particularly. I find him over the top but again the cuts and bits the prods decided to show us portrayed him crazier than reality... my opinion. Does he have a chance to be F1? no.

Tyler just upgraded in episode 4 from a friend zone. Meaning that Hannah discovered a sweet guy, funny, kind. She did not crush on him before. She did not express love interest before. She thought IMO that he was a smooth operator (picnic at the mansion). However, I loved their 1on1 date. He is very layback. I believe he is genuine. I see Hannah falling for him. F1 or F2 for sure.

Jed for me is the hidden F1. I had this nagging feeling from start when the cameras zoomed on him on episode 1. But episode 2 and 3, I felt that the moments with Hannah were more hidden. I feel that Hannah never put jed in the friend zone IMO. The fact that she loves country music, from the south was a huge attraction factor IMO. During the dinner portion, Hannah asked him a direct question: where will I stand versus your music. She needed to be reinsured that he will not tour and she left alone behind. Legitimate question. He answered very well. We saw less physical contact but IMO it was voluntary cut by prods, as we can see the teaser when Hannah was kissing Jed passionately on top of the stairs. A teaser was also cut from episode when Hannah was raising her hands in the sky making fireworks sounds (during Jed 1on1). For me, I felt she was explaining how she felt with Jed. Their photobooth moment was adorable and I saw 2 people extremely happy together.

The interesting thing is both Tyler and Jed have very calm personalities. They are both gentlemen. They focus on her at all times. South men are often that way. I think they are both Christians but I forgot. I think Jed is but Tyler? This is very important for Hannah. She will want one marriage at church. guy will have to ask her dad's permission. Traditional engagement. Hannah wants a man, not a boy. I think both fit this category although I see Jed a bit more mature somehow. But Tyler looks also mature. Hannah was raised in the South for what is worth I think it is important (gentleman, opinionated women, southern belle, tradition, Christians).

I like both very much. I think either would be a great husband for Hannah. But I try to put Tyler F1 and I keep thinking that Jed is in the back of my mind like a bee buzzing my ear. Right now it looks very much to me the same scenario as Bryan/Peter thing or Roberto/Chris. Prods are editing Hannah as a very sexual bachelorette. I also remember some bachelorettes saying that when they had nothing to say, they kissed. eh Luke? eh Peter?

Overall, I like Hannah very much. I am eager to see her love story... regardless of Tyler or Jed, I am fine with either. I think she cannot go wrong with either.

JMO

Bachelorette 15 - Joey Jones - Sleuthing Spoilers

Credit to RS for the tea:

Real interesting first couple of pages today before we get to your “Reader Emails.” I told you at the beginning of the season I had a couple stories on a few of Hannah’s guys this season. This is story #1. It’s about Joey Jones (no, not John Paul Jones), who was eliminated during the rose ceremony of Monday night’s episode. A lot of your response now might be, “Who?” And you’d be right. The guy got basically no air time in 3 episodes, so I don’t expect many of you to immediately know who I’m talking about. But this story first came to my attention 2 ½ months ago right after filming began and it was revealed Joey was a contestant on the show. Two of his exes, Ashley & Melanie, both reached out to me to tell me their stories. At the time, I told them lets see how this plays out and see how long he lasts before we dive into it. Joey was a non-factor this season. And in the past, it’s become a thing where I’ve heard plenty of negative stuff about contestants that don’t last long on the show and I’ve chosen not to share it. But this time was just a little different to me. I felt these women needed to share what happened with them because the amount of lies, BS, and player mentality that Joey showed these women is appalling – all while keeping both of them from each other. It’s all kinds of messed up if you ask me.

One insistence I had with both of these women is that they’d attach their name to it, I needed to see some proof, and that they provided pictures. With Ashley (whose account you will read first), she presented her story in a timeline fashion breaking everything down from the time they met, til the last communication they had, which was Feb. 23rd, roughly 3 weeks before he left for filming. Melanie’s account of what happened (Page 2), I just told her to write everything out, don’t hold anything back, and let people know how you feel. And she did just that. It’s long. But I feel she needed to include everything so everyone could gain a perspective on the lengths he went to to impress a girl, only to be playing her behind her back. Getting a couple paragraphs from both of these women I’m sure a lot of you would’ve blown off. “Pssshhh, get over it.” “You’re just jealous.” “Move on, woman.” Trust me, they already know what naysayers will say today. But they still wanted to speak because they felt it was important, and I agree. I wanted them to make it as detailed as possible so everyone had a clear picture of what went on here. I think they did just that.

So whether you like Joey or not. Whether you even care about Joey and who he is or not. I just ask you to read their accounts of their relationship with him, and then make a decision from there. Don’t dismiss it because you don’t even remember him from the show or care. That’s not the point. They have a story they wanted to share, and here are both of them unedited. This is Ashley’s account, followed by Melanie’s account on Page 2:

“Hey Steve, my name is Ashley ******** and here is a timeline of my relationship with Joey:

-We started talking in April 2017, dated, and he broke up with me over the phone July 3, 2018

He had another (asian) girlfriend by the end of August but likes my photo on Hinge in October while still in a relationship. He tells me he misses me, loves me, wants to be with me–I fall for it. He cheats on her, breaks up with her, rekindles things with me:

-Between Oct 2018-Feb 2019, he continually tells me that he loves me and “can’t live without me,” yet hesitates to make it official. One attached screenshot shows him putting a date on us becoming official, which was very strange. He said he wanted to take things slow because he wanted us to work towards marriage, and though I agreed that there was no rush, I got frustrated with him being active on dating apps. Now I know that he was avoiding a relationship title because he was waiting for updates on his candidacy for the show (and messing with other girls). He would also gaslight and tell me that he isnt sure if im happy and ready to be in a relationship, and essentially try to make it seem like it was my fault that he had hesitations to make things official

-He matches with a girl on Hinge (Melanie) on 12/10. He buys her plane tickets on 12/14 to fly her out to Maryland to spend the weekend with him from 12/20-12/23. He introduces her to all of his friends and tells her that she feels like his girlfriend, and makes future plans to hang out with her again. I was completely unaware of her existence until I came across her post on reddit after the new list of contestants for the bachelorette was released. I knew right away that her story was real.. all the details about him crying (he cried both times he ended things with me), and the things he would say to her in his texts about having “real” feelings for her were all too familiar. I had called him on 12/21 but he didn’t pick up (he told me he was mad at me because I had never responded to his last text, but the truth is that he didn’t pick up because he was with Melanie all weekend). He texted me two days later on 12/23, the day she had left, and he invited me to spend both Christmas Eve and Christmas day with him and his family. He literally spent the entire weekend wining and dining this other girl, feeds her bullcrap about wanting something serious with her, then immediately spends the next two days back to back with me and feeds me bs about how he is so in love with me. Scum. Again, I had no idea about Melanie until March when the guys were released by ABC or I would’ve never been back with him.

-1/12/19 – he goes behind my back and contacts the girl again from Hinge (Melanie)

-Joey leaves for a trip to Sydney, and the night before he is supposed to return, he tells me that he has to go to LA last minute for work on 1/29. I pick him up from the airport after his trip and he still acts like he is very much in love with me (screenshot attached). I now know that he had lied because he knew he was flying to LA for the final casting all along since it was planned in advance. I also just recently found out through the grapevine that he had told everyone in Sydney (back in January) that we were over and that he was going on the bachelorette— he was just leading me on the entire time because the producer told me that by December, he definitely knew he would be on the show.

-2/14 – We spend Valentines day together and everything is normal..

-2/23 – He calls me and out of nowhere, tells me that he thinks I need to let him go. He says that he needs to work on himself. He sends me an email reiterating that he needs time to be alone and isn’t ready for a relationship. This is a screen shot of the email:

Remember, that email was sent to me on Feb. 23rd. The “Bachelorette” started filming, when? Mid March? So he knew he was going on the show at that point and still wrote me that? I’m disgusted reading that now.

-3/14 – I am stunned to find out that he is a contestant on the show. I never knew he had applied for the show, and it is obviously for all the wrong reasons. I also find out that he cheated on an ex gf with two other asian girls. He is egotistic and a clear narcissist. It’s during this time I became aware of Melanie through online posts, we shared stories, realized our timelines overlapped, and began to piece together how Joey played both of us. Melanie had gotten the number of a producer from someone who knew him, so we contacted him, shared our stories together, and he wanted us to confront Joey in person when they got to Rhode Island and make a big storyline out of it. Melanie didn’t want to do it, and Joey was eliminated in episode 3 before it could happen. I’m sure us not agreeing to come on the show played a role in his exit.

Joey is manipulative, dishonest, and a pathological liar. He isn’t just a guy who had a girlfriend before the show, or a guy who cheated on one girl. He has a history of cheating, and intentionally and methodically preys on women. He feeds lie after lie, playing a sensitive and emotional guy who wants something serious. He did this to me for the past year, while applying for this show and also messaging other girls behind my back. He always plays the nice guy, and all of his friends, colleagues, and family believe that he is a standup guy- yet he is far from that. He is a hypocrite that hates on his close friends and family who lie or cheat… even on the show, he tells Hannah that he is sorry for “what she just went through” when another contestant is caught having a girlfriend, but he is the worst of them all: he is deceitful, conniving, and playing everyone around him.”

Here are a couple pictures of us together that kinda make me sick now just looking at them:

Melanie’s account of her relationship with Joey on Page 2…

Source: Reality Steve