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Summerfun1980 wrote:
Bleiby527 wrote:
Summerfun1980 wrote:
Bleiby527 wrote:
Chgohighlife wrote:
Julie81 wrote:I don’t think for a minute Tyler was number 3 or number 4. Peter was purely physical and I just can’t even put into words what Luke was to her. I think he had a weird hold on her, but I don’t know how to categorize him on the number scale.

IMO, Luke was #1 for a looonnng time. That's why the other guys were so frustrated and also why he was such a jackazz. He knew it, tptb knew it (which is why they kept putting him back in her face) and the other guys did too. Don't ask me to explain why because he makes my skin crawl, just watch her behavior whenever she talks about him, defends him and cancels cocktail parties because she is hearing things she doesn't like about him from the others.
Jed, IMO was always #2. That's why she told him and him only, she was falling in love with him and even moreso, that's why even though his family practically each broke their backs waving, wearing, eating, singing RED FLAGS ---- Hannah totally ignored them.
If Peter is WM guy and he was always #4 ---- you interpret that however you like.

I interpret it as Hannah wanting to sleep with Peter in a windmill, and not having anything to do with any ranking? A lot of women can separate sex from love.

People keep saying this but she’s on a show looking to find a husband not love island or mtv’s are you the one?. Her screwing Peter just because doesn’t really fit the program she’s on. JMO

I think that "testing the merchandise" is fairly important when trying to find a husband?

But you said you don’t think Hannah wanted to do anything other than have sex in a windmill with Peter? That Peter was purely physical? That means he wasn’t in contention to be her husband? So why does she need to test his merchandise? Having sex with Peter wouldn’t build an emotional connection with him. It would be sex just to do it.

Because she didn't know where her head was at the time and wanted to be sure? We can see this looking back that her connection with Peter was solely physical but Hannah had to go through the process herself in order to discover it.

I also just can't see us having the same conversation about Ben Higgins, another Christian, who most likely had sex with his top 3 as well.

Bachelorette 15 - Hannah Brown - Media - SM - Sleuthing Spoilers #7

Summerfun1980 wrote:
Bleiby527 wrote:
Summerfun1980 wrote:
Bleiby527 wrote:
Chgohighlife wrote:
Julie81 wrote:I don’t think for a minute Tyler was number 3 or number 4. Peter was purely physical and I just can’t even put into words what Luke was to her. I think he had a weird hold on her, but I don’t know how to categorize him on the number scale.

IMO, Luke was #1 for a looonnng time. That's why the other guys were so frustrated and also why he was such a jackazz. He knew it, tptb knew it (which is why they kept putting him back in her face) and the other guys did too. Don't ask me to explain why because he makes my skin crawl, just watch her behavior whenever she talks about him, defends him and cancels cocktail parties because she is hearing things she doesn't like about him from the others.
Jed, IMO was always #2. That's why she told him and him only, she was falling in love with him and even moreso, that's why even though his family practically each broke their backs waving, wearing, eating, singing RED FLAGS ---- Hannah totally ignored them.
If Peter is WM guy and he was always #4 ---- you interpret that however you like.

I interpret it as Hannah wanting to sleep with Peter in a windmill, and not having anything to do with any ranking? A lot of women can separate sex from love.

People keep saying this but she’s on a show looking to find a husband not love island or mtv’s are you the one?. Her screwing Peter just because doesn’t really fit the program she’s on. JMO

Because she didn't know where her head was at the time and wanted to be sure? We can see this looking back that her connection with Peter was solely physical but Hannah had to go through the process herself in order to discover it.

I also just can't see us having the same conversation about Ben Higgins, another Christian, who most likely had sex with his top 3 as well.

I think that "testing the merchandise" is fairly important when trying to find a husband?

But you said you don’t think Hannah wanted to do anything other than have sex in a windmill with Peter? That Peter was purely physical? That means he wasn’t in contention to be her husband? So why does she need to test his merchandise? Having sex with Peter wouldn’t build an emotional connection with him. It would be sex just to do it.

Bachelorette 15 - Hannah Brown - Media - SM - Sleuthing Spoilers #7

Bleiby527 wrote:
Summerfun1980 wrote:
Bleiby527 wrote:
Chgohighlife wrote:
Julie81 wrote:I don’t think for a minute Tyler was number 3 or number 4. Peter was purely physical and I just can’t even put into words what Luke was to her. I think he had a weird hold on her, but I don’t know how to categorize him on the number scale.

IMO, Luke was #1 for a looonnng time. That's why the other guys were so frustrated and also why he was such a jackazz. He knew it, tptb knew it (which is why they kept putting him back in her face) and the other guys did too. Don't ask me to explain why because he makes my skin crawl, just watch her behavior whenever she talks about him, defends him and cancels cocktail parties because she is hearing things she doesn't like about him from the others.
Jed, IMO was always #2. That's why she told him and him only, she was falling in love with him and even moreso, that's why even though his family practically each broke their backs waving, wearing, eating, singing RED FLAGS ---- Hannah totally ignored them.
If Peter is WM guy and he was always #4 ---- you interpret that however you like.

I interpret it as Hannah wanting to sleep with Peter in a windmill, and not having anything to do with any ranking? A lot of women can separate sex from love.

People keep saying this but she’s on a show looking to find a husband not love island or mtv’s are you the one?. Her screwing Peter just because doesn’t really fit the program she’s on. JMO

I think that "testing the merchandise" is fairly important when trying to find a husband?

But you said you don’t think Hannah wanted to do anything other than have sex in a windmill with Peter? That Peter was purely physical? That means he wasn’t in contention to be her husband? So why does she need to test his merchandise? Having sex with Peter wouldn’t build an emotional connection with him. It would be sex just to do it.

Bachelorette 15 - Hannah Brown - Media - SM - Sleuthing Spoilers #7

Summerfun1980 wrote:
Bleiby527 wrote:
Chgohighlife wrote:
Julie81 wrote:I don’t think for a minute Tyler was number 3 or number 4. Peter was purely physical and I just can’t even put into words what Luke was to her. I think he had a weird hold on her, but I don’t know how to categorize him on the number scale.

IMO, Luke was #1 for a looonnng time. That's why the other guys were so frustrated and also why he was such a jackazz. He knew it, tptb knew it (which is why they kept putting him back in her face) and the other guys did too. Don't ask me to explain why because he makes my skin crawl, just watch her behavior whenever she talks about him, defends him and cancels cocktail parties because she is hearing things she doesn't like about him from the others.
Jed, IMO was always #2. That's why she told him and him only, she was falling in love with him and even moreso, that's why even though his family practically each broke their backs waving, wearing, eating, singing RED FLAGS ---- Hannah totally ignored them.
If Peter is WM guy and he was always #4 ---- you interpret that however you like.

I interpret it as Hannah wanting to sleep with Peter in a windmill, and not having anything to do with any ranking? A lot of women can separate sex from love.

People keep saying this but she’s on a show looking to find a husband not love island or mtv’s are you the one?. Her screwing Peter just because doesn’t really fit the program she’s on. JMO

I think that "testing the merchandise" is fairly important when trying to find a husband?

Bachelorette 15 - Hannah Brown - Media - SM - Sleuthing Spoilers #7

Bleiby527 wrote:
Chgohighlife wrote:
Julie81 wrote:I don’t think for a minute Tyler was number 3 or number 4. Peter was purely physical and I just can’t even put into words what Luke was to her. I think he had a weird hold on her, but I don’t know how to categorize him on the number scale.

IMO, Luke was #1 for a looonnng time. That's why the other guys were so frustrated and also why he was such a jackazz. He knew it, tptb knew it (which is why they kept putting him back in her face) and the other guys did too. Don't ask me to explain why because he makes my skin crawl, just watch her behavior whenever she talks about him, defends him and cancels cocktail parties because she is hearing things she doesn't like about him from the others.
Jed, IMO was always #2. That's why she told him and him only, she was falling in love with him and even moreso, that's why even though his family practically each broke their backs waving, wearing, eating, singing RED FLAGS ---- Hannah totally ignored them.
If Peter is WM guy and he was always #4 ---- you interpret that however you like.

I interpret it as Hannah wanting to sleep with Peter in a windmill, and not having anything to do with any ranking? A lot of women can separate sex from love.

People keep saying this but she’s on a show looking to find a husband not love island or mtv’s are you the one?. Her screwing Peter just because doesn’t really fit the program she’s on. JMO

Bachelorette 15 - Hannah Brown - Media - SM - Sleuthing Spoilers #7

Chgohighlife wrote:
Julie81 wrote:I don’t think for a minute Tyler was number 3 or number 4. Peter was purely physical and I just can’t even put into words what Luke was to her. I think he had a weird hold on her, but I don’t know how to categorize him on the number scale.

IMO, Luke was #1 for a looonnng time. That's why the other guys were so frustrated and also why he was such a jackazz. He knew it, tptb knew it (which is why they kept putting him back in her face) and the other guys did too. Don't ask me to explain why because he makes my skin crawl, just watch her behavior whenever she talks about him, defends him and cancels cocktail parties because she is hearing things she doesn't like about him from the others.
Jed, IMO was always #2. That's why she told him and him only, she was falling in love with him and even moreso, that's why even though his family practically each broke their backs waving, wearing, eating, singing RED FLAGS ---- Hannah totally ignored them.
If Peter is WM guy and he was always #4 ---- you interpret that however you like.

I interpret it as Hannah wanted to sleep with Peter in a windmill, and not having anything to do with any ranking? A lot of women can separate sex from love.

Bachelorette 15 - Hannah Brown - Media - SM - Sleuthing Spoilers #7

Julie81 wrote:I don’t think for a minute Tyler was number 3 or number 4. Peter was purely physical and I just can’t even put into words what Luke was to her. I think he had a weird hold on her, but I don’t know how to categorize him on the number scale.

IMO, Luke was #1 for a looonnng time. That's why the other guys were so frustrated and also why he was such a jackazz. He knew it, tptb knew it (which is why they kept putting him back in her face) and the other guys did too. Don't ask me to explain why because he makes my skin crawl, just watch her behavior whenever she talks about him, defends him and cancels cocktail parties because she is hearing things she doesn't like about him from the others.
Jed, IMO was always #2. That's why she told him and him only, she was falling in love with him and even moreso, that's why even though his family practically each broke their backs waving, wearing, eating, singing RED FLAGS ---- Hannah totally ignored them.
If Peter is WM guy and he was always #4 ---- you interpret that however you like.

Bachelorette 15 - Hannah Brown - Comparisons - SLEUTHING SPOILERS

sbolduc wrote:
Just Looking wrote:@Lucas15 It’s sounding more and more like a very manipulated show, which I didnt fully realise until Colton’s season. It is emotionally destructive IMO

Yep.

Not sure if this is the right spot for this post so mods please move if necessary. After last episode I keep feeling this season was incredibly manipulated by the producers and they were true puppet masters, not that they aren't in other seasons but this one especially. And they might just pull off an incredible ending. In looking at both Luke and Jed's storylines, I think the producers knew exactly what they were dealing with.

In terms of Luke, as others said they wanted him to make it to FS to get the blow out. But, I am more amazed by the Jed/Tyler storyline. I think the producers knew 100% about Jed and his girlfriend back home. The way that Jed's hometown date was filmed was eery, it was clear everyone (Jed's family) knew what was going on and was confused, the way it was edited and filmed it was almost "too on the nose". If they (TPTB) didn't know there is no way producers filmed that and didn't think "what the f*ck is going on here". As the girls on Here to Make Friends said it almost had a "Get Out" vibe. Where everyone in the main cast knows what is happening but are putting up smoke and mirrors to try and trick the audience but the audience is "kind of" in the know. This isn't to mention the number of times Jed is playing his damn guitar - again too "on the nose", TPTB were building a story arc for Jed and did it through what appears are his own actions on the show.

In contrast with Tyler - you have a guy who on the outset comes across as a cocky, jock, playboy, model. Someone who you aren't sure is ready for marriage. TPTB definitely played into that with Hannah. She has said on multiple occasions she isn't sure he is ready and thinks he might be a player. Vs. Jed who she "trusts", he is soft spoken and comes across much more honest and trustworthy than Tyler on the outset.

The storyline this season IMO is the growth of Hannah B from girl to woman. For her to be able to move past the true toxic relationships (i.e. Luke) and be able to recognize a person beyond their exterior layers (i.e. Tyler). For her to truly choose someone who chooses her "everyday" and chooses the real Hannah. I think TPTB knew about Jed, his GFs and his true reason for going on the show. I think they had a storyline where Jed in reality was everything she thought Tyler was and why she wouldn't pick Tyler. When in reality Tyler was the the teen movie leading man, the Peter Kavinsky character, popular, attractive, smart, kind, honest, charismatic, smooth etc. The one she was afraid to fall for because she didn't fully trust him. If you look at his (Tyler's) story arc he came across cocky on night 1, saying all the right things in episode 2 and 3. But in episode 4 he starts to step up, being a supportive man to Hannah's emotional distress and then continues to by standing up for her to the guys (situations that Hannah has no idea are happening).

In this journey I think TPTB wanted her to choose Jed, even knowing what they know (about Haley, career, Barbie). I think they wanted her to choose him to find all this out. I think they knew that she wouldn't put her guard down with Tyler but if she did she would have been truly torn. They wanted her to know that Jed had a bunch of skeletons, Tyler who you would think would have skeletons had none. Tyler is the guy that should be F1 based on the storyline we are being sold by TPTB as the right person for Hannah through his actions (standing up for her to the guys) and choosing her (saying he wants the real Hannah, never really questioning her choices always saying she is doing what is best for her) etc. etc. With Jed, Hannah will be his #2, his #1 will be his music (per his HTD). With Tyler, Hannah is always #1, he always recognizes she is the lead and he is her supporting cast member (i.e. when he says "this is her journey", "I want to be your arm candy", "she is so strong", "I want that woman [the one that yelled at the guys]")

If Tyler and Hannah end up together I truly think TPTB were trying to make this happen from mid way through the season. The edit and the actions of the contestants and family members this season is way too "on the nose" otherwise.

All IMO.

I just had to bump this. Such a great post. I am waiting patiently for the show to catch up to real life and so curious to see how it all ends.

Bachelorette 15 - Hannah Brown - Comparisons - SLEUTHING SPOILERS

Just Looking wrote:@Lucas15 It’s sounding more and more like a very manipulated show, which I didnt fully realise until Colton’s season. It is emotionally destructive IMO

Yep.

Not sure if this is the right spot for this post so mods please move if necessary. After last episode I keep feeling this season was incredibly manipulated by the producers and they were true puppet masters, not that they aren't in other seasons but this one especially. And they might just pull off an incredible ending. In looking at both Luke and Jed's storylines, I think the producers knew exactly what they were dealing with.

In terms of Luke, as others said they wanted him to make it to FS to get the blow out. But, I am more amazed by the Jed/Tyler storyline. I think the producers knew 100% about Jed and his girlfriend back home. The way that Jed's hometown date was filmed was eery, it was clear everyone (Jed's family) knew what was going on and was confused, the way it was edited and filmed it was almost "too on the nose". If they (TPTB) didn't know there is no way producers filmed that and didn't think "what the f*ck is going on here". As the girls on Here to Make Friends said it almost had a "Get Out" vibe. Where everyone in the main cast knows what is happening but are putting up smoke and mirrors to try and trick the audience but the audience is "kind of" in the know. This isn't to mention the number of times Jed is playing his damn guitar - again too "on the nose", TPTB were building a story arc for Jed and did it through what appears are his own actions on the show.

In contrast with Tyler - you have a guy who on the outset comes across as a cocky, jock, playboy, model. Someone who you aren't sure is ready for marriage. TPTB definitely played into that with Hannah. She has said on multiple occasions she isn't sure he is ready and thinks he might be a player. Vs. Jed who she "trusts", he is soft spoken and comes across much more honest and trustworthy than Tyler on the outset.

The storyline this season IMO is the growth of Hannah B from girl to woman. For her to be able to move past the true toxic relationships (i.e. Luke) and be able to recognize a person beyond their exterior layers (i.e. Tyler). For her to truly choose someone who chooses her "everyday" and chooses the real Hannah. I think TPTB knew about Jed, his GFs and his true reason for going on the show. I think they had a storyline where Jed in reality was everything she thought Tyler was and why she wouldn't pick Tyler. When in reality Tyler was the the teen movie leading man, the Peter Kavinsky character, popular, attractive, smart, kind, honest, charismatic, smooth etc. The one she was afraid to fall for because she didn't fully trust him. If you look at his (Tyler's) story arc he came across cocky on night 1, saying all the right things in episode 2 and 3. But in episode 4 he starts to step up, being a supportive man to Hannah's emotional distress and then continues to by standing up for her to the guys (situations that Hannah has no idea are happening).

In this journey I think TPTB wanted her to choose Jed, even knowing what they know (about Haley, career, Barbie). I think they wanted her to choose him to find all this out. I think they knew that she wouldn't put her guard down with Tyler but if she did she would have been truly torn. They wanted her to know that Jed had a bunch of skeletons, Tyler who you would think would have skeletons had none. Tyler is the guy that should be F1 based on the storyline we are being sold by TPTB as the right person for Hannah through his actions (standing up for her to the guys) and choosing her (saying he wants the real Hannah, never really questioning her choices always saying she is doing what is best for her) etc. etc. With Jed, Hannah will be his #2, his #1 will be his music (per his HTD). With Tyler, Hannah is always #1, he always recognizes she is the lead and he is her supporting cast member (i.e. when he says "this is her journey", "I want to be your arm candy", "she is so strong", "I want that woman [the one that yelled at the guys]")

If Tyler and Hannah end up together I truly think TPTB were trying to make this happen from mid way through the season. The edit and the actions of the contestants and family members this season is way too "on the nose" otherwise.

All IMO.

Bachelorette 15 - Hannah Brown - General Discussion - Sleuthing Spoilers #3

blueblues wrote:@Lucas15 Not impossible. They could make him think that it would look better if it was shown that he came clean with Hannah right away, since things were bound to come out sooner or later. Of course, production probably knew of Haley as an ex, but not that the relationship was still on. The People article and the following breakup happened much later, when Haley decided to come forward.

One thing that supports this idea is Jed’s tendency to stick his head in the sand. Ghosting Hannah was not just morally wrong, it was unbelievably stupid. So would he really have “come clean” with Hannah unless a producer pushed him in that direction?

I hope this is true, so we can watch him dig his own grave, lie by lie.
JMO

@Lucas15 and @blueblues
Arghhh! So much to unpack. Some many possible scenarios! Can the ATFR get here already?

There's only so much time on ATFR #2 -- they've got MTP, LCD, Proposal, couch time w/ Hannah, couch time w/ Jed & Hannah, couch time w/ Tyler. Would they really want to go all-in on Jed and the break-up if they are pitching a possible H&T reunion? Would that even work? @Lucas15 - I think you used the word "Whiplash" in another post and it certainly would be!

Based on Jed's tweet "Scott sucks" after episode 1 -- I'm betting they didn't film his "girlfriend reveal." He couldn't be that stupid, right? To be jumping on the Scott hate when he was filmed revealing to his fiance that he still had a girlfriend at home when he came on to promote his music.

At that point (tweet), seems like Jed was still confident the girlfriend info wasn't going to come out. I'd bet, that after receiving a big fat Neil Lane engagement ring -- Hannah was willing to give Jed the benefit of the doubt, a bit of leeway. I don't know if I buy the current theory that she immediately regretted her decision -- that would be a great storyline for her now but we've seen her fight for bad relationships and broken men so I wouldn't be surprised if she just hit "pause" and processed everything. Thought about Jed's original intentions reveal, thought about every time he brought out his guitar, thought about that HTD, etc... And then the rumors probably started to hit her (or her friends and family) and then the heads-up that People had an exclusive with Haley. I pray to the heavens that they got BOTH their reactions to the People exclusive. That would be gold.

If Hannah immediately regretted her decision and wanted to break-up with Jed and/or pursue Tyler. None of Jed's shenanigans would really matter -- it would be background noise. A few posts back, I strategized that if I was Jed, I'd be begging Hannah to spin it this way. That Hannah really never got over Tyler and things went south fast -- win for Hannah and gets Jed, somewhat, out of the hot seat.

And can someone, anyone, talk about Jed's time as a stripper? I want to know if the guys knew, when did Hannah know, details please!

Also, since TPTB isn't gifting the happy couple with a fabulous vacation trip -- can TPTB send Hayley a new guitar case.?

Bachelorette 15 - Hannah Brown - July 8 - Epi 8 - Sleuthing Spoilers

GypsySarah wrote:IMO, this has always been Luke’s to lose and nothing I saw last night changed my mind. She had made excuse after excuse for him, canceled cocktail parties that only punished the other guys and refused to see him for what he was and instead saw him for what she wanted him to be. Fail #1.
And then there’s Jed, the next in line, offering her the Nashville lifestyle she seems to want. Fail #2.
Then there’s Tyler defending her now much the same as she defended Luke all season. Please Tyler, you can do so much better!

I so agree with you ! I see nothing romantic about Hannah going after Tyler right now. I find it insulting. Luke was her F1 ... despite all her efforts .... she finally couldn't ignore what a jerk he is ... then gives him ...one more chance!! That too is a bust ... so let's move on to second favourite ...Jed. post show he proves to be a big loser too..... now let's move on to 3rd choice...and fan favourite ... poor old Tyler. I just want the guy to run ... fast. Sure hope he doesn't buy any ..it was always you crap ... Cuz that's all it is.. crap ..for her to save face and have someone sitting beside her on the couch at the ATFR. Hannah needs to own her mistakes and leave the poor guy alone. I hope his family can talk some sense into him. Tyler and his family deserve better than Hannah, under the circumstances

Bachelorette 15 - Hannah Brown - July 8 - Epi 8 - Sleuthing Spoilers

IMO, this has always been Luke’s to lose and nothing I saw last night changed my mind. She had made excuse after excuse for him, canceled cocktail parties that only punished the other guys and refused to see him for what he was and instead saw him for what she wanted him to be. Fail #1.
And then there’s Jed, the next in line, offering her the Nashville lifestyle she seems to want. Fail #2.
Then there’s Tyler defending her now much the same as she defended Luke all season. Please Tyler, you can do so much better!