Nick Viall - Bachelorette 11 - *Spoilers - Sleuthing* - Discussion #6

Seabear wrote:Andi and Kaitlyn are both very self involved.  If you cross them or question them they are angry and mean.  I think trying to blame Nick on both their parts is ridiculous.  I believe Andi's smug behavior caused Nick to act out of emotion at ATFR last year.  I am certain after all the backlash and hatred he "learned his lesson."  I personally did not find his remarks shaming or offensive.  One thing I see very clearly in Nick is his intellect. He also is self reflective and owns his actions.  I am certain he will be prepared for this years ATFR.  What some find calculating and manipulative, I see as smart and witty.  To each his own.  I truly think, pun intended, that at the end of this ATFR Nick will walk away "smelling like a rose" and that will be "refreshing."

mysthelma wrote:Nick has never been one to not take responsibility and blame anyone not Andi, Kaitlyn, the producer regardless of how the edit him. He owns up to his part in putting himself out there and at the mercy of the producer

Brill wrote:

nannymargie wrote:We all deal with breakups differently and I totally get that.  But I think Nick forgets that there is someone else in the picture that she could have strong feelings for.  He gets too over confident  which he has admitted himself.  That is his where the problem comes in because you just don't know how she is really feeling about that other person.  Not choosing him should tell him everything he needs to know.  There is nothing that he could have done or said that could of changed anything.  In the end her heart belonged to someone else.  End of story.

Re the bolded!!! Boy thinking back to when I was dating, when reading that, had me laugh out loud and sorry about that.  So if you are dating someone and they tell you they've met someone else and the relationship is done and they don't or can't give you a reason what happened between the two of you, means that you step back and think a minute and say gee well I wish you both all the best, goodbye!!!

Who does that??? I can think of one time in my own life that I asked the same question and the person couldn't or wouldn't answer either.  I must be like Nick because I didn't take it very well either and I wasn't on any TV show.  If the person leads someone on and lets them think by words and actions they love you, has sex with you and then dump you the next day, get engaged to the other person that day and then tell the world you loved the other person from day 1, you are to just grin and wish them the best????

I can see that happening, if no feelings/emotions aren't involved!!! How about the pride within, thinking how did I miss read this so badly and wanting to know why??  Now I could see the anger towards him if he just let it all slide and then blast this out at the ATFR!! Yes I could!!! He did try and want to see her for a few minutes away from the cameras and she wouldn't have it!!! Now Meandi skates free and doesn't take any responsibility for any of this????  Sorry not in my books and maybe not in Josh's either.

Kaitlyn isn't worth my for being all about Shawn from day 1 and yet let Nick get down on his knee to propose!!!  That's where I draw the line in any respect I could ever have for her!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Maybe if no one had done this and she didn't have the guts (let's not forget that she is a 30 YEAR OLD GROWN A$$ WOMAN, likes she keeps trying to tell the world) to spare him his dignity on TV yet!!!  (Kind of funny when she asked this same thing of Chris S.)  That's been done and she could have done that if she wanted.  Yep he was a friend all right!!  Man I sure wouldn't want to have a friend like her!!!  You are good enough to friend on SM but then kick you to curb when she get's what she wanted.  What does that say about her????  Did she really say she is 30??? Is that how they act now a days???  Shameful she is!!!
I believe in the saying what goes around, comes around!!!    TV Show or not!!!     As my signature says at the bottom that this is all IMO only.

Seabear wrote:Andi and Kaitlyn are both very self involved.  If you cross them or question them they are angry and mean.  I think trying to blame Nick on both their parts is ridiculous.  I believe Andi's smug behavior caused Nick to act out of emotion at ATFR last year.  I am certain after all the backlash and hatred he "learned his lesson."  I personally did not find his remarks shaming or offensive.  One thing I see very clearly in Nick is his intellect. He also is self reflective and owns his actions.  I am certain he will be prepared for this years ATFR.  What some find calculating and manipulative, I see as smart and witty.  To each his own.  I truly think, pun intended, that at the end of this ATFR Nick will walk away "smelling like a rose" and that will be "refreshing."

Montaname wrote:

Seabear wrote:Andi and Kaitlyn are both very self involved.  If you cross them or question them they are angry and mean.  I think trying to blame Nick on both their parts is ridiculous.  I believe Andi's smug behavior caused Nick to act out of emotion at ATFR last year.  I am certain after all the backlash and hatred he "learned his lesson."  I personally did not find his remarks shaming or offensive.  One thing I see very clearly in Nick is his intellect. He also is self reflective and owns his actions.  I am certain he will be prepared for this years ATFR.  What some find calculating and manipulative, I see as smart and witty.  To each his own.  I truly think, pun intended, that at the end of this ATFR Nick will walk away "smelling like a rose" and that will be "refreshing."

I happen to think that what Nick said to Andi at the ATFR was angry and mean.  It is kind of hard to tell by the expression on his face cuz he always kind of looks smug, but he knew exactly what he was doing when he made his notorious comment.  Most of the people I know who watch the show will never think he "smells like a rose."  Most think he is an attention seeking scumbag.  

Since this is K's season maybe we should get back on topic and forget what happened last year.

Reality TV World: How did you feel about Nick going into the finale? You said in your blogs early on you were really skeptical of him, but he really did nothing wrong to justify those concerns. And then towards the end, I believe you said Nick sort of won you over in that you were pretty convinced he's just a guy who falls for a girl hard and fast.

Chris Harrison: Yes.  I mean, I've just been thinking about the reaction to Nick and why everybody dislikes him so much -- and not everybody -- that's not fair, but why -- a lot of the guys and some of the people in social media have been, you know, harsh on him.  And I started thinking about it.  

You know, what's he really ever done?  He came on the show and fell in love with Andi and, yes, he kind of took that parting shot in that awkward memorable final rose moment, but, save that, he comes into this season because he likes Kaitlyn and he came on and fell in love with her and he's head over heels in love with Kaitlyn.

So it's hard to be too angry at him considering all he's done is come on our show for love and has fallen in-love twice.  But, you know, what is it that just rubs people the wrong way?  Because there has to be something that the guys, you know, don't like.  And is it just jealousy?  Is it something else?

So, you know, again, to your point, it's hard to fault the guy for coming on our show and doing what it's made to do, and that's fall in love.  I do think he is just that guy that has open heart.  He wants this very badly, he wants to find love and he has.  And so, I don't know.  I'm -- I go both ways.  It's a tough situation where someone is so disliked in many ways, but all he's done is fallen in love with a girl.

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