Bachelor 21 - Nick Viall - General Discussion - *Sleuthing Spoilers* #3

Whatever it is that they're talking about on IG if it's about Vanessa, then it just makes them out to be sore losers. At the end of the day its a reality show they all knew the outcome. They all went there for the same reason and knew one person was going to "win". It's ultimately up to Nick. If Vanessa's "crying for attention" annoyed them then they should've asked Nick why he fell for it then. If they didn't ask those type of questions during the show then they're obviously bitter now.

They were all out in Florida? or las Vagas? last week right? Could something have happen out there that we don't know about?

Sprite wrote:How did RS exactly put things? Corinne is the season's villain and Vanessa is a minor one?

If the main focus is on Corinne until she leaves at F4, the women are split up after that and only see one another at the RCs, I doubt it will be that big a deal. Yeah, they may have issues with her earlier, but the main focus sounds like it will be on Corinne.

I'll wait to see how the show deals with all this. As it stands, I find that RS usually over exaggerates so until I see it, I'm not going to worry too much. Nothing that I have seen from her shows her as the type of person that would annoy me so I am hopeful...Corrine on the other hand annoys me to no end, whether this is an act or not.

Plus if this whole fight thing happened after the volleyball date, Villain Corrine is literally on the same team with the two possible ette's. I don't know how they'll make that team look like angels with Corrine being there as well. But I'm sure they'll edit the crap out of that if their chosen ette is one of those 2 though.

Are they really talking sh*t in the comments on IG, that's mean and lame.

lleyki wrote:

OnePromise wrote:Can someone remember or post the "incorrect" spoiler regarding Vanessa from earlier this season?  The one that said she was causing trouble and was out much earlier than was expected? Might there be something to part of that?

Oh right, there was a spoiler about that when Vanessa hadn't even been fully identified. Interesting. I will say I think it's very odd that in the scene where Nick comes to talk to the women, we see Dani M., Corinne, Rachel and Raven but no Vanessa.

The CFA might not even stand for "crying for attention." We don't even know what the whole convo is all about, so how can we pass judgement on them based on our assumptions that could be wildly incorrect? It's weird.

Fair point. We could all be way off base and it means something entirely different. But speaking for myself, when I read it, the whole exchange read like shade throwing. So whatever CFA means, I don't think it's something positive. But we could all be wrong and reading too much into it the whole thing.

The girls in clip you are referring to include Kristina.  She was sitting beside Dani M and slipped into view for a second or 2.

I just want to point out that the screenshot of IG comments show the comments were made 2 weeks ago. Granted, that doesn't really make a difference if CFA refers to something that happened while they were filming. But to put it into context, it's a SM conversation that happened prior to the premiere and prior to the Florida trip.

lleyki wrote:Well Nick is polorazing no matter what he does and I didn't see that changing no matter who he picked. But honestly, unless Vanessa turns out to be a Vienna/Courtney like villain, I don't see them being that polarizing as a pairing. And with Corinne and her platinum vagine staying until F4, I don't see Vanessa emerging as this huge villain from the season. Not to mention that we don't know how things will be edited. Viewers might end up siding with Vanessa in whatever drama she's involved with.

You know this is an interesting point. Not Corinne's platinum vagine ... .... but rather by her being there till F4 the majority of the negative attention will be on her. She is let go at the point where all villains are seen as slightly "human" as they are separated from the girls/guys. While I think Corinne is a producer pick there, Nick would have had incentive to keep her around until required to keep that pressure off Vanessa. Which if RS is correct Nick knew for a while he was picking her, assuming the spoiler is correct.

Doesn't CFA mean a foreigner?

OnePromise wrote:Can someone remember or post the "incorrect" spoiler regarding Vanessa from earlier this season?  The one that said she was causing trouble and was out much earlier than was expected? Might there be something to part of that?

Oh let me tell you, I remember exactly.

On Nov 7th which was a Monday, I received an email telling me that they were close to Kristina's family. A good friend. They read our site and saw that we were having trouble confirming the F4. We were speculating that Vanessa had a good chance of being F1 due to the Life article, the people who supposedly saw them together and their body language. We knew Rachel was in, Blogger Boy, and sleuthers were choosing Raven in the F4  due to the rose tweeting activity by family and the number of roses that person was tweeting.

Speculation was then Rachel Raven Vanessa Whitney. Then Blogger Boy released Raven in the F4.

Rachel - Raven - speculating Vanessa Whitney and Kristina - Elizabeth changed her Linkedin so she was out - many speculating Vanessa may be F1

by Kels0012 on Mon Oct 31, 2016 12:28 pm
RS sure seems to respond directly to our discussions in here in his blog post considering he never reads the site supposedly.

A little set up - after this info, of course we would speculate that yes, perhaps Vanessa leaves or is let go.

by Duke702 on Mon Oct 31, 2016 12:34 pm

-Also, RS wrote all the questions he is going to answer "eventually" in his column today "who is Vanessa?" "is she still on the show" "if not , how or when did she go home" "who's the villain" --so yea very likely Vanessa could be gone because we have no way of knowing.

sdmom on Mon Oct 31, 2016 12:57 pm
We already correctly guessed Raven is in f4 days before RS realeased his spoiler today.

1st clue and I'm sorry I didn't remember this.

Californiaqueen on Wed Nov 02, 2016 3:49 pm
I have info that Whitney did not make it to final 4, she logged onto Facebook, didn't post anything but was seen available in chat. Her hometown date would have been yesterday but as we know it was at Raven's instead.

In that same email they told me they saw this post but it's producer driven, because RS said they are cracking down on SM and they felt he's right about that.

by MonicaJM2001 on Thu Nov 03, 2016
i've had Kristina discounted for a couple weeks as I read in onevof the threads about her having SM fluctuations. Perhaps I am mistaken though

In that same email they told me that they overheard, Kristina and Whitney were the other two who got hometown dates. They knew this because they were friends of Kristinas family and they were so excited for her. They also told me they thought I was right on the Vanessa girl (the one I found in NY or wherever she was from) that was the same girl in the Life Mag, but she was difficult to deal with and was let go. That's all the info they had but begged several times not to tell anyone they gave me this info. I thanked them, and they replied asking if anyone else gave me the Kristina Whitney info because they felt uncomfortable sharing. I replied that no I had not received that info. They replied again saying they heard Raven was let go, 99.9% sure If I wanted to share that go ahead, they couldn't tell me where they heard that from. Shortly after, another eamail, confirming that it was Raven.

I shared all that on the forum.

GuardianAngel on Mon Nov 07, 2016 2:58 pm
I've been told Whitney and Kristina get HTD's!

Thanks to the person who shared that with me, much appreciated!

GuardianAngel on Mon Nov 07, 2016 6:17 pm
I've been told Kristina is in the F3. It's believed Raven was let go, not completed confirmed, but at this point a high possibility.

Sleuthing continues!

They also tell me they had a feeling Kristina was going to win because the people on the HTD said they were really into each other and that Whitney will probably be the next ette. I said if she wins, I'd be happy for her. I like Nick, he's a good guy. No response to my opinion of Nick.

We are quoted by Inquisitor, people reading here are telling RS the F4 have already been revealed, Kristina Raven Rachel and Whitney are in the F4.

Later that evening, I noticed a member online. The name for some reason stuck out in big neon flashing lights. Thank you Universe. It has no meaning to me at all, however it caught my eye. I checked further into that username, and the email provided for registration purposes was the same email from the person who gave me that info. That person is constantly online. They are constantly in Nick Viall's threads. That person has never been in any other thread but Nicks.

The location of that person is known to me. I know exactly where they are.

On Nov 10th Blogger Boy included this in his blog when he revealed the other two as  Corrine and Vanessa and that Vanessa was the F1.

I’ve been tweeted at ever since Monday I believe, along with being sent an article from some website that the final 4 was already spoiled. Let me tell you, it’s been awfully hard not to laugh out loud at that report the last few days. I’ve loved it when people have tweeted and emailed saying, “We already know the final 4! It was spoiled already by so-and-so.” Warms the cockles of my heart I tell ya’. I feel I say this every season, and I will say it again. I absolutely do not care what anyone else says in regards to the spoilers of this show. I report what my sources tell me. Always have, and always will. You know this. So when I’ve been reading for three days that Whitney and Kristina are being reported as the other 2 girls in the final 4, it cracks me up. No, they’re not. Not sure where, why, and how that was reported and what they’re basing it off of, but it couldn’t be more wrong. So yeah, I don’t bother with stuff like that. Especially when it’s dead wrong. I’m sorry to those of you who were led to believe that over the last few days. Lesson learned I guess.

On Nov 10 after RS posts his blog, I sent an email.

RS says Kristina never got a HTD

I did not get a response. I sent another email.

I suppose when you've accomplished what you set out to do, you have nothing further to say?
Trust me, I will post and expose everything on the forum with proof that you purposely tried to make our forum look foolish, and sway us in the wrong direction.

They responding by saying they were confused and I was a horrible person if I shared on the forum what happened

I sent this.

You've messed with the wrong person. Last time I checked, it would be difficult to over hear anything from Frisco Texas all the way to Kentucky.

They said they told me what they knew and it turned out to be wrong.

I can't post what my response was.

@GuardianAngel Thanks for the details. Sorry that some people ruin the fun for all. So all the "info" was bogus. Well that makes me feel even better about the ending we are suspecting.

@GuardianAngel thank you for all you do for this forum!

@GuardianAngel

He is disgusting. Enough said.