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Bachelor Australia - Season 8 - Locky Gilbert - Discussion - Sleuthing Spoilers

Articles coming thick and fast from Now to Love toady. I think they've known about Locky for quite a while to be this prepared...

Meet The Bachelor Locky Gilbert's reality TV star ex-girlfriends
Well well well, looks like someone has a type!

Survivor heartthrob Locky Gilbert is about to have 20-odd stunning women throwing themselves at him on the upcoming season of The Bachelor.

But before the 27-year-old adventure guide can settle into his new role as the most coveted single man in Australia, we're going to rake through his romantic history with a fine-tooth comb and dredge up all the petty drama from his previous relationships.

Locky has had two major relationships in recent years, both with women who have starred on Australian reality TV shows.

Ex-Girlfriend #1: Meet Locky's Survivor co-star Brooke Jowett

Locky's most recent relationship was with his Australian Survivor: All Stars co-star Brooke Jowett.
The pair had chatted a bit on Instagram before they met in person in Fiji for the first time last year, but the second they locked eyes on each other, they knew their connection was serious.
"It was instant, like, you're my person," Brooke, 27, told TV WEEK on Monday, when asked about meeting Locky for the first time on the island.
"We'd chatted a bit through Instagram beforehand – nothing crazy, just talking about travel – but I thought he was cute too. As soon as we got there, we were joined at the hip."
The Melbourne-based personal trainer says she and Locky tried to keep their growing connection "on the downlow, but it was hard".
"I'd think, 'Does he like me? Or is just using me [in the game]?'" she said. "And he's thinking the same about me!"
She added: "But really, I trusted him from the start, and it was nice to have someone who made you feel good and not miss home so much."

But once filming wrapped, their relationship didn't translate into the real world, with the pair based on opposite sides of the country.
"He's in Perth and Bali, and I'm in Melbourne. His work means he'd want me to go to him, but I won't leave my family and my dog. I'm also really focused on my career," Brooke said.
"It's a lot more difficult in the real world than it was out there."
When asked about a possible reunion between herself and Locky by TV WEEK, Brooke seemed to think it could totally be a thing.
"It's still on the cards," she said.
"We haven't completely written it off, it's just very complicated with the distance. It's such an obstacle."
Even Locky himself says pair "still talk fairly often", the new Bachie told Perth Now last month, though he confirmed, "I am single".

But it seems Brooke was totally blindsided by new former beau's announcement that he would be dating 20-something women on national television.
Just hours before Channel 10 made the official announcement in early March, Brooke posted a loving tribute to Locky on Instagram, alongside a cute couple photo of the pair.
"Thankyou for being my ride or die and the greatest big manly blanket I could have asked for @locklangilbert #survivorau," she wrote.
Even Brooke's Instagram followers were confused by the photo.
"So does this mean you're going to be on The Bachelor? Because you could totally take those girls down ," one fan wrote, while another asked, "Are you guys a couple?"
A third person comment: "So, now you enter the Bachelor and win his heart again and complete the love story we all want to see?"
Australia is totally shipping these two!

And if Brooke's activity on Twitter is anything to go by, she is less-than-thrilled about Locky going on The Bachelor.
In response to a fan who tweeted, "Locky gets voted out of @Survivor_AU last night and this morning is announced as the new Bachelor. Poor Brooke", she posted a downcast GIF from The Simpsons of Millhouse attempting to throw a frisbee.

Me as of today pic.twitter.com/EJQImPg0W0
— Brooke Jowett (@brooke_survivor) March 3, 2020

And when fans took to Locky's own Instagram page to question the star about his relationship with Brooke - the comments section on his Bachie announcement post is peppered with "What about Brooke?" and "Brooke tho?" remarks - Brooke herself had the perfect response.
She wrote "She'll survive xx", and also responded to another comment with a withering rose emoji.

When asked about his relationship with Brooke just hours after being announced as the new Bachie, Locky seemed to suggest that his romance with Brooke was a Survivor-only type of fling.
"Yeah um, Brooke's an amazing girl, but the thing is, it was filmed like 5 months ago," he told KIIS FM's Kyle and Jackie O show.
"So, it was quite a while ago and on the show you just want to have that person that you can fully trust, and like, if you don't you can kind of lose your mind out there. So, me and Brooke just connected, we had lots to talk about. I think that really helped me in the game."
Interestingly, being used as part of the "game" of Survivor was a concern of Brooke's throughout their relationship.
She told TV WEEK the pair tried to keep their growing connection "on the downlow, but it was hard".
"I'd think, 'Does he like me? Or is just using me [in the game]?'" she said. "And he's thinking the same about me!"
She added: "But really, I trusted him from the start, and it was nice to have someone who made you feel good and not miss home so much."
Totally fair enough, we reckon.

Ex-Girlfriend #2: Love Island Australia S2 contestant Jordan Cayess

Before he went on Survivor for the very first time in 2017, Locky dated former Love Island Australia season 2 contestant Jordan Cayless.
The last time they were pictured together on Jordan's Instagram was January 2019, and a few months later in October 2019, Jordan was revealed as an intruder on Love Island Australia. Locky's last Instagram photo with Jordan was posted in December 2018.
FYI, she's now completely moved on from Locky and is dating a personal trainer in Perth, Gerard Majda.

It seems distance has always been a problem for Locky in his previous relationships.
In a 2017 interview with TV WEEK, Locky admitted the pair, who had been dating for a year at the time, were in a long-distance relationship.
"Our relationship has always been away from each other," Locky said of his relationship with Jordan, revealing the pair met at an Australia Day party in their hometown of Perth.
"This year, both of us have been on seven different trips and not one has been together."

Locky revealed that while Jordan was "secure" in their relationship, she was still concerned he'd be tempted to cheat.
"She's a little worried about me," he confessed on the Kyle and Jackie O show at the time.
"We watched a few Survivors together and she was like, 'Oh no you're going to have to cuddle people,'" Locky spilled.
"We had like a cuddling rule, like no touching at the waist and stuff."

And, when asked if he would want to spent the Survivor prize money on an engagement ring, Locky told TV WEEK: "She'd [Jordan] be pretty happy if I did, but I think it would go straight on adventure and starting up a company or something."
He said locking down a partner and settling down was tricky with his work.
"I know I definitely do [want a family], but the lifestyle I live is really hard," he explained at the time.
"I know once I have kids, I'm going to have to stop that."

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Bachelor 24 - Peter Weber - Discussion - NO SPOILERS - NO SLEUTHING

@albean99 and @veg_out I was with you girls on not watching WTA. Then there I was, sitting down at 10pm with nothing better to do. I thought why not check see if could get any insight as to what will be happening next week by way of previews. Just as I was getting ready to FF through most of the show I get some Chris Harrison commentary and then a "mini-episode" showing the RC we were robbed of the week prior.

Needless to say LOTS of waiting around for Madi and SURPRISE she showed; albeit not looking happy at all

For a bit I thought Peter might not give her a rose since she seems so hesitant and the last thing he wants is to be alone and the end of this. So HA gets the first rose (she is definitely F2 in his mind) and yup Victoria is on her way out. Madi is the one he wants, hands down, nervous heart beat could be heard through mic.

WTA was just as expected, however it seems this group of girls is truly young, they were arguing over each other and swearing up a storm on live TV. Since shortly thereafter we had a lecture from Rachel about online/SM bullying I am going to refrain from any negative comments. HOWEVER, please do not go on national television and be rude and insulting and call people names and expect not to get some backlash. You girls can't be civil to one another for more than an hour - please set a good example before preaching and looking for my pity. I get you are in face-to-face conflicts but those are what fuel some of the hate. Shame on you ABC for sending such mixed signals!!

Through all the emotional drama we got to see a fairly open side of Victoria. I almost think her and Peter could reconnect if all this doesn't work out. She was gracious to him and very sincere.

Nothing much I could tell from the previews, everyone looks to be having fun on their dates, then comes a bunch of tears. There is a scene where Peter is apologizing for something and it looks to be HA but I can't be sure. Chris Harrison tells us not a single person knows how this journey will end, not even Peter. If I take his comment literally that leads me to believe nothing will be settled until the live ATFR next week.

The biggest question for me was what we didn't see last night . . . . . Kelly was missing from WTA. Reason #1 - She has washed her hands of the franchise and is back to real life. Reason #2 - She is our big surprise in the end after Madi leaves and Peter send HA home. The only reason I don't see this happening is the deceiving preview of Peter's mom saying, "bring her home to us". Speaking of Peter's parents, I am voting them to host the Senior Edition of The Bachelor. They most definitely have bought into the spotlight

Bachelorette 16 - Clare Crawley & Tayshia Adams - Filming Schedule - NO Discussion - Sleuthing Spoilers

Opal wrote:People magazine has reported that season 16 will premiere May 18th, 2020.
https://people.com/tv/bachelorette-clare-crawley-interview-search-for-love/?utm_campaign=peoplemagazine&utm_source=twitter.com&xid=socialflow_twitter_peoplemag&utm_medium=social

From Hannah's season. We'll make changes as we go.

Aunties_Love wrote:This is a corrected filming schedule.

FILMING SCHEDULE - BACHELORETTE -15-----Hannah B
AIRING DATE: May 13/2019

from bachette 14 filming schedule

March 7-14 filming introduction in Hannah's HT Tuscaloosa alabama

Episode 1 – Los Angeles, CA (30 to 22)=====(Brian Bowles, Cameron Ayala, Chasen Coscia, Connor Jenkins, Connor Saeli, Daron Blaylock, Devin Harris, Dustin Kendrick, Dylan Barbour, Garrett Powell, Grant Eckel, Hunter Jones, Jed Wyatt, Joe Barsano, Joey Jones, John Paul Jones, Jonathon Saunders, Kevin Fortenberry, Luke Parker, Luke Stone, Matt Donald, Matt Spraggins, Matteo Valles, Mike Johnson, Peter Weber, Ryan Spirko, Scott Anderson, Tyler Cameron, Tyler Gwozdz)-----
3/16: Meet & Greet
3/17: move into mansion
ELIMINATED: JOE BARSANO(sm activity-followed someone), RYAN SPIRKO(Bachelor.Spoilers confirmed), CHASEN COSCIA, BRIAN BOWLES left on own either pre-filming or during the night, SCOTT ANDERSON(per reddit poster's coworker who's friends with scott and is active on ig but we don't have confirmation), MATT DONALD, HUNTER JONES
FIR: Luke Parker got FIR
NOTE: of the 33 guys released by ABC, Matt Dione, Joe Romeo, Thomas Stanton, never made it to filming as were cut before filming began.

Episode 2 – LA 22-19 ( **Cameron Ayala, **Connor Jenkins, Connor Saeli(seen in epi 4), **Daron Blaylock, Devin Harris(seen in epi 4), **Dustin Kendrick(seen in epi 4), **Dylan Barbour(seen in epi 4), Garrett Powell(seen in epi 4), **Grant Eckel(seen in epi 4), **Jed Wyatt(seen in epi 4), **Joey Jones, **John Paul Jones(seen in epi 4), **Jonathon Saunders, Kevin Fortenberry(seen in epi 4), **Luke Parker(seen in epi 4), **Luke Stone(seen in epi 4), **Matt Spraggins, **Matteo Valles(seen in epi 4), **Mike Johnson(seen in epi 4), Peter Weber(seen in epi 4), **Tyler Cameron(seen in epi 4), **Tyler Gwozdz )
3/18: Group Date: PUBLIC DATE - 8 guys on date at Belasco Theatre/LA: Luke Parker, Luke Stone, John Paul Jones, Mike Johnson, Jonathon Saunders, Jed Wyatt, Dylan B, Grant Eckel=====JED GOT GDR
3/19: 1-on-1 Date: HELI INVOLVED San Diego company(per sdmom)- per Fleiss tweet - TYLER G per poster on REDDIT
3/20: Group Date: PUBLIC DATE - Roller Derby - 5 on 5 with green team winning- Joey Jones, Dustin, Cam, Matteo, Tyler C, Daron, Connor J ====Dustin was injured but not taken in ambulance(per someone at date on reddit) ======
3/21: 2nd Rose Ceremony: ELIMINATED: CONNOR J, MATT SPRAGGINS, JONATHON SAUNDERS, DARON BLAYLOCK

** MEANS THAT WE ABSOLUTELY KNOW THEY ARE THERE BE IT IN A PIC AT MANSION OR ON A DATE.

Episode 3 – 19-15 (**Cameron Ayala, Connor Saeli(seen in epi 4), Devin Harris(seen in epi 4), **Dustin Kendrick(seen in epi 4), **Dylan Barbour(seen in epi 4), Garrett Powell(seen in epi 4), **Grant Eckel(seen in epi 4), **Jed Wyatt(seen in epi 4), **Joey Jones, **John Paul Jones(seen in epi 4), Kevin Fortenberry(seen in epi 4), **Luke Parker(seen in epi 4), **Luke Stone(seen in epi 4), **Matt Spraggins, **Matteo Valles(seen in epi 4), **Mike Johnson(seen in epi 4), Peter Weber(seen in epi 4), **Tyler Cameron(seen in epi 4), **Tyler Gwozdz )
3/22: Group Date: PUBLIC DATE
3/23: 1-on-1 Date:
3/24: Group Date: Tyler G,
3/25: 3rd Rose Ceremony; ELIMINATED: JOEY JONES, TYLER G....ELIMINATED ON GD PER SM ACTIVITY. CAMERON ELIMINATED AT ROSE CEREMONY PER SM ACTIVITY.

TRAVEL

Episode 4 – 15 TO 12 (Connor Saeli, Devin Harris, Dustin Kendrick, Dylan Barbour, Garrett Powell, Grant Eckel, Jed Wyatt, John Paul Jones, Kevin Fortenberry, Luke Parker, Luke Stone, Matteo Valles, Mike Johnson, Peter Weber, Tyler Cameron )----NEWPORT, RHODE ISLAND AND NEW ENGLAND - possible filming locations: Belcourt Castle in Newport, R.I.------GURNEY'S RESORT PER RS ( )
3/26-27: travel/'B' roll filming
3/28 1 on 1 Date: JED: in Boston; Quincy Market/Cheers Bar, Basketball, Carey Mansion for dinner
3/29: Group Date: PUBLIC Fort Adams State Park - Rugby - 13 guys there, only 12 playing - stripes vs green, stripes won; 6 on 6 - green team: Luke S, Garrett, Kevin F,Connor S, Mike Johnson, Dylan Barbour - Stripe team: John Paul Jones, Peter, Matteo, Devin Harris, Luke Parker, Grant Eckles
3/30: 1 on 1 Date: PUBLIC: JANE PICKENS THEATRE: Tyler Cameron - Jake Owen
3/31: RC - ELIMINATED: JOHN PAUL JONES, LUKE STONE(self eliminated per bachelor.spoilers IG acct), MATTEO VALLES
LOCATIONS PER ARTICLE IN BOSTON.COM
wish list includes the Cliff Walk, Fort Adams State Park and its Eisenhower House, Belle Mer, Narragansett Bay, White Horse Tavern, Belcourt Castle, and outside of Gurney’s Newport Resort and Marina. Producers also would like the cast to walk around historic Bannister’s Wharf and stop into two restaurants: The Black Pearl and Clarke Cooke House. They highlighted the Jane Pickens Theater as a place for “a musical performance/private concert.” alternate locations of interest should some of the previously mentioned spots not pan out. Those include Toppa Field and Carey Mansion, and spots outside of Newport such as Bristol’s Linden Place and Blithewold Mansion, Gardens, and Arboretum, and Providence’s Lippitt House Museum.

4/1-4/2: Travel

Episode 5 – INVERNESS, SCOTLAND - Achnagairn Estate and Castle(sleuthed by @Aunties_Love) - 12 TO 9 (Connor Saeli, Devin Harris, Dustin Kendrick, Dylan Barbour, Garrett Powell, Grant Eckel, Jed Wyatt, Kevin Fortenberry, Luke Parker, Mike Johnson, Peter Weber, Tyler Cameron )
4/3: 1-on-1 Date: Hootananny Restaurant - Inverness.
4/4: Group Date: Highland Games Public date- Inverness
4/5: 2-on-1 Date: Inverness
4/6: 5th Rose Ceremony ELIMINATED: DEVIN, GRANT, KEVIN

4/7-8============= TRAVEL

Episode 6 – 9 TO 6 LATVIA(via @bachelor.spoilers IG acct) - ACCOMMODATIONS: Pullman Hotel, Riga, Latvia(via RS) (Connor Saeli, Dustin Kendrick, Dylan Barbour, Garrett Powell, Jed Wyatt, Luke Parker, Mike Johnson, Peter Weber, Tyler Cameron )
4/8: B-Roll filming GARRETT AND PETER GET ID'S
4/9: 1-on-1 Date: Bungee jumping:
4/10: Group Date: CONNOR S, DUSTIN, DYLAN, JED, LUKE, MIKE, TYLER C
4/11: 1-on-1 Date:
4/12: 6th Rose Ceremony: ELIMINATED: DUSTIN KENDRICK, DYLAN BARBOUR, CONNOR S

4/13: Travel

Episode 7 – 6 TO 4 HOLLAND, NETHERLANDS also SCHEVENINGEN staying at: Grand Hotel Amrath Kurhaus(via RS) (Luke Parker, Tyler Cameron, Jed Wyatt, Peter Weber, Mike Johnson, Garrett Powell) STILL NEED 2 MORE
4/14: DAY OFF: :
4/15: 1-on-1 Date: JED : Beach date
4/16: 1-on-1 Date: TYLER C(per RS): pic'd looking at horses - horseback ride?
4/17: 1-on-1 Date: MIKE: eliminated on date
4/17: Group Date: PETER, LUKE AND GARRETT - Peter got the third htd rose. drama ensued between Garrett and Luke and Garrett was eliminated
4/18: 7th Rose Ceremony: ELIMINATED: MIKE AND GARRETT

4/18-19: Travel

Episode 8 - HTDs (4 - 3) TYLER, JED, LUKE, PETER GETTING HTD'S-----dates given per RS
4/20: HTD #1: LUKE PARKER- GAINESVILLE GEORGIA: Curt's cafeteria/meet friends
4/21: Travel
4/22: HTD #2 : TYLER CAMERON- JUPITER FLORIDA: snorkeling on Jupiter sandbar; square grouper tiki bar
4/23: Travel
4/24: HTD #3: JED WYATT- SEVIERVILLE, TENNESEE
4/25: Travel
4/26: HTD #4: PETER WEBER - LA, CA
4/27: 8th Rose Ceremony: ELIMINATED:

4/28-30: Travel - GREECE

Episode 9 - FDs (3 - 2)
5/1: FD1:
5/2: day off
5/3: FD2 :
5/4: day off
5/5: FD3:
5/6: 9th Rose Ceremony: ELIMINATED:

IF they are changing locales, then add a day or two onto the next portion of the schedule

Episode 10 - MTPs/LCDs/FRC (2 - 1)
5/8: MTP #1 -
5/9: MTP #2 -
5/10: LCD #1 -
5/11: LCD #2 -
5/12: Final Rose Ceremony

https://www.bachandbachettefans.net/t5119p12-bachelorette-15-hannah-brown-filming-schedule-no-discussion-sleuthing-spoilers

Bachelor 24 - Peter Weber - S/Caps - Sleuthing Spoilers #2

HavaDrPepper wrote:
Bobette wrote:
HavaDrPepper wrote:
Astrobach wrote:
Hope that helps clarify a bit, taken from p. 3 off this thread . @HavaDrPepper

Nope, doesn't help at all. What I really would like to see is an overall map with a pin at each location, not the driving directions to each location. These also don't show the FSD overnight location or Madison's day time portion.

Thanks for trying.

Really hard to get all these locations on one map and it didn't even recognise some of the addresses so this is the best I can do:

https://www.mapcustomizer.com/map/bach2020

The map is interactive so if you click on the above link you should be able to zoom in on the places. Here is a rough screenshot:

Thanks. I guess I wasn't clear enough. I was only concerned about the locations around the FSD's and F3RC. I realized that FRC was at a completely different location and not close to where the FSD week was spent and more than likely MTP and LCD's are closer to that location (but we have no screencaps of them yet). I just wanted a visual for where Peter was spending his week of FSD's.

@havadrpepper

#1 is F3RC

#2 and #8 on the map is Victoria's FSD date

#3 is where Hannah Ann and Peter stay at the Gold Star Casino and Hotel

#4 is where Madison's day time portion on the date is.

Not sure how much more information we can give you...

Bachelor 24 - Peter Weber - S/Caps - Sleuthing Spoilers #2

[mention]Astrobach[/mention] wrote:Paging {@=14544}Bobette{/@} So now that we have the room we’re Victoria had her night portion ( most likely) with Peter I need a visual, being quite lost in the various locations.
So question {#}1{/#}. How far is O’Reilly’s from Sanctuary Cove and / from Tamburine Mountain . {#}2{/#} There’s is a Fall at O’Reily’s as well isn’t it? Let’s assume she was at the Sanctuary Cove, gets picked up by helicopter with Peter where they go to the Falls ( whichever makes more sense and closer to Tamburine. where they meet up in the evening until she is picked up in the morning again to be with her producers. Thoughts? TYIA for visual aid!

Check out the sleuthed info thread:

https://www.bachandbachettefans.net/t5414-bachelor-24-peter-weber-sleuthed-information-sleuthing-spoilers-no-discussion.

ETA: It isn’t O’Reilly’s Rainforest Retreat but the Songbirds Rainforest Retreat where the rolling girl on bed is. I looked on google maps and I don’t think it would make any real difference as distance from the Songbirds or Gold Star to the Moran Falls where VF FD hike was.

Yup. Still think rolling girl is Madi. jmo

Bachelor 24 - Peter Weber - S/Caps - Sleuthing Spoilers #2

Paging @Bobette So now that we have the room we’re Victoria had her night portion ( most likely) with Peter I need a visual, being quite lost in the various locations.
So question #1. How far is O’Reilly’s from Sanctuary Cove and / from Tamburine Mountain . #2 There’s is a Fall at O’Reily’s as well isn’t it? Let’s assume she was at the Sanctuary Cove, gets picked up by helicopter with Peter where they go to the Falls ( whichever makes more sense and closer to Tamburine. where they meet up in the evening until she is picked up in the morning again to be with her producers. Thoughts? TYIA for visual aid!

Bachelorette New Zealand - Season 1 - Dr Lesina Nakhid-Schuster - Lily McManus - Media SM - Discussion - Sleuthing Spoilers

Hi Everyone

Well .. who ever wanted Lily as the bachelorette just may get what they wish for

Clue #1 new bachelorette! Clue #2 I'm very sure the Voiceover Chick dropped some innuendo saying "the surpise started with L" and clue #3 is this article in the NZ herald today.. not sure how long she will be on there ..

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment/news/article.cfm?c_id=1501119&objectid=12304506

Bachelorette New Zealand - Season 1 - Dr Lesina Nakhid-Schuster - Lily McManus - Sleuthing Spoilers

Astrobach wrote:@AllAboutLove @Bobette Ladies, I am dizzy with all these back and forth theories!
A thought, we know they are lurking around here... and maybe they are changing their style to prevent too many spoilers?
Also, another thought, it sort of reminds me of Hannah B with Tyler, he had a strong presence but was kind of hidden in the first few episodes, and that’s because when he was with her it was so obvious, that they had chemistry, they needed to pace the progression to not obliterate the REAL F1 who, no one really saw that much going on with.
So, maybe the communication and body language is so natural and good, that they have to hide some of it to continue the show and exploit the various characters. I’ll watch the #2 tonight and see what I think then.

@Astrobach

I'm having fun with it. So much more fun without RS, no spoilers, no betting agencies. I already said Kurt for F1 pre-season so not much more to do if I just stick with that. So trying to figure out all the pieces.

It could be similar to US, but this is a first season for Bette NZ. I would assume they'd want an obvious F1 that audiences in NZ will get behind the lead and couple (otherwise it's not good for the show at all). Keep in mind that this is the first time they have a Bette and it's been some time since they had a bachelor show at all, so I don't see the need for NZ Bette to misdirect or anything like later seasons (the US show, or even Aussie recent seasons). If anything, the seem to be MORE transparent, and realistic than even their Bach NZ counterpart.

Trying to figure it all out but without screencaps of Kurt and Lesina it's making it difficult. It's probably the first season I've sleuthed/watched where the speculated F1 is NOT shown a lot in the season preview and in Kurt's case, there's NO screencaps of him and Lesina whatsoever for future eps. That's a first and I've never seen that before for any franchise

Any other season I'd say the screencaps are saying he doesn't go far. So this means I am putting more credibility on everything else sleuthed (stats, SM, media, first ep edit) rather than season preview screencaps. That's new for me. I want to make sure I don't misdirect myself. There have to be screencaps of them together, otherwise it's not likely F1 (as would be what I'd say for any other season). Will keep sleuthing

Bachelorette New Zealand - Season 1 - Dr Lesina Nakhid-Schuster - Lily McManus - Sleuthing Spoilers

@AllAboutLove @Bobette Ladies, I am dizzy with all these back and forth theories!

Topics tagged under 2 on bachandbachettefans.net - Page 13 3806527698

A thought, we know they are lurking around here... and maybe they are changing their style to prevent too many spoilers?
Also, another thought, it sort of reminds me of Hannah B with Tyler, he had a strong presence but was kind of hidden in the first few episodes, and that’s because when he was with her it was so obvious, that they had chemistry, they needed to pace the progression to not obliterate the REAL F1 who, no one really saw that much going on with.
So, maybe the communication and body language is so natural and good, that they have to hide some of it to continue the show and exploit the various characters. I’ll watch the #2 tonight and see what I think then.

Bachelor 24 - Peter Weber - Jan 27th - Discussion - Sleuthing Spoilers

Mistake #2 happening now.

Bachelor 24 - Peter Weber - S/Caps - Sleuthing Spoilers

Bobette wrote:

@TrishB also sleuthed that the day portion of Madison and Peter's Peru date is at Chorrillos Port on the Green Coast.

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I had that in there under #2 in the Peru section

2) Peter and Madison on their 1-on-1 date in Peru at the Chorrillos Port, in Lima’s Green Coast. https://servimg.com/view/20068468/282 https://servimg.com/view/20068468/172

Bachelor 24 - Peter Weber - Media SM - Sleuthing Spoilers #2

Credit to Reality Steve:

So a lot of stuff to get to today, but right off the bat, I’m going to tell you immediately that what I know you want the answer to, I will help with it, but I have nothing definitive. I’ll go over all of that later, but I know many of you were expecting all your answers to everything about the ending this season today, and I don’t have them. But I will fill in some blanks that hopefully will clear up a couple things. I know we’re 4 days away from the premiere and you don’t know the ending yet and it’s really never happened before since I started spoiling the “Bachelor.” Even if my initial spoiler was wrong, I had always released a “winner” before the first episode aired. Not gonna happen this season. Not because I don’t want to, or not because I don’t feel like it, or whatever rabid conspiracy theory you can come up with. The bottom line is I don’t have the ending yet, but I’m pretty sure there’s a good reason why I don’t. We’ll get to that in a little bit. First, some things to go over.

Today’s podcast is basically what you’re reading in the column. Although I can’t possibly remember every detail and every word I said in today’s roughly 35 minute podcast, I wanted to have it in written form as well. Next week, we’re back on the regular schedule here on the site. Tuesday’s with the recaps, Wednesday’s “Reader Emails,” and Thursday with the podcast and sometimes “Dr. Reality Steve” if I have some. That will never change. Because I didn’t write much the last 3 ½ months doesn’t mean anything is changing. In season, the schedule is always the same. I haven’t written much in the offseason the past 3 or 4 years, so I’m not sure why people automatically assume I just stopped writing. Same ol, same ol. You’re back to regularly scheduled programming next week.

You know for the last 20 or so seasons, I’ve been able to view the first episode of the season early as it’s given to the media to write their reviews with no spoilers. Of course, I’m not an approved media site but I have my ways to watch the episode early despite it being username and password protected. For whatever reason with the premiere only 4 days away, ABC hasn’t posted the first episode yet to their media site, so I haven’t seen it yet. I can’t review it if I haven’t seen it and honestly, I don’t know if it’s going up before the premiere. If it does, I’ll watch it and have your detailed episode 1 spoilers up on Monday. If not, then you’ll just get your episode-by-episode spoilers on Monday, and the night 1 stuff will just be the basics. It won’t have the order of the limo entrances or who got intro videos, etc. like I do every season. So either way, you’re getting all your spoilers on Monday in written form, and if episode 1 gets released before then, that’ll be a little more detailed.

Also a clarification to make when I say “episode-by-episode spoilers.” What I should say is “rose-ceremony-by-rose-ceremony” spoilers, since it’s impossible for me to predict how ABC is going to lay out their episodes. We already know that Monday’s premiere is 3 hrs and it will cover what we always see on the first night (intro videos, limo entrances, cocktail party, rose ceremony) but then it’s going to start in with what we would normally see in episode 2. You will see all 3 of the beginning dates in episode 1 – the “flight school” group date, Madison’s 1-on-1 to Peter’s parents wedding vow renewal, and the “sex” date planned by Hannah Brown. All my spoilers this season will also be on my IG feed and my IG stories as well, as I’ve gotten someone to do that for me. But they will say “Rose Ceremony #1 Spoilers” and that means everything you will see up through the first rose ceremony. Then “Rose Ceremony #2 Spoilers” will be everything up through the end of the second rose ceremony. It’ll continue on through each rose ceremony, and since not every episode will end with a rose ceremony, saying “episode-by-episode spoilers” not knowing what ABC is choosing to air in each episode will just confuse people. So just know all spoilers will be on the site Monday and on my IG feed and IG stories.

So on Tuesday, this is what I put out on Twitter:

I will answer as much as I can on Thursday’s podcast and column. I will also address what Peter said here in his https://t.co/cEd3t75Rsi interview yesterday: pic.twitter.com/PIePpojLOp
— RealitySteve (@RealitySteve) December 31, 2019

Certainly never something we’ve heard a lead say before his season ever. No one’s ever said this will be “the first unspoiled season in a while” and “there’s a reason no one’s gonna find out.” First off, lets make one thing clear. He’s talking about the ending. Peter, your season is not spoiler free. Far from it. Everything about your season has been spoiled up through the final 2, and most of it was spoiled in real time. So what he’s saying is that no one will know the ending because “there’s a reason for that.” I know this perked everyone’s ears up on Monday since so many of you sent to me, but what I can tell you now is I’ve heard this exact same thing behind the scenes since Thanksgiving. Hence the reason for the last month, anything I did hear, I weighed it against the “this ending isn’t gonna be spoiled and there’s a reason for it.” When I first heard it, I took it like I take everything else, which is a wait and see approach. And over the last five weeks, it’s proven to be true. Then once Peter said it publicly on Monday, I knew what I’d heard behind the scenes 5 weeks earlier was legit, although over the course of the last 5 weeks, it was becoming clearer and clearer that something was different about this season.

A couple weeks ago I told you I didn’t have the ending, but the only thing I did know about this season was that it wasn’t a normal ending. Meaning it wasn’t “here’s two women, choose one, dump the other, and leave the final rose ceremony as a couple.” So on Nov. 17th in Australia when the finale was filmed, that’s not what happened. However, what DID happen I’m not fully sure of. On any given season, there’s essentially six possible outcomes when you get to the end. For the sake of this season, this is how this season could possibly end:

1) He’s with Madison, but they’re not engaged
2) He’s with Madison and they’re engaged
3) He’s with Hannah Ann, but they’re not engaged
4) He’s with Hannah Ann and they’re engaged
5) He’s single a la Brad Womack where he got to the end and told both women he wasn’t interested and rejected both of them and he’s single and plans on staying that way
6) He’s single but that doesn’t mean he’ll be single either by the time the ATFR rolls around
Two other things to take into consideration when contemplating the ending is this:

1) Peter alluded to it in that People.com interview that he “couldn’t be happier” with how the season played out.

2) Chris Harrison did an interview with “Good Morning America” and in it he specifically says “you truly aren’t gonna know how it’s going to end until the very end” and “It’s possible it’s still not over.” Factually speaking, one person in this history of this franchise went through a whole season, got to the end, and said, “Nah, I’m good. I’m choosing no one and I’ll just stay single. Bye.” And that was Brad Womack’s first season. I understand that all the leads are coached in what to say in interviews, and essentially we hear some form of “I’m very happy with how things turned out” every single season, but I honestly don’t think Peter is telling America he “couldn’t be happier now” if back on Nov. 17th in Australia he told both Madison and Hannah Ann thanks but no thanks, I’m just gonna continue being single. I don’t think that happened. I don’t buy that.

What I can tell you now though are two specific things to help with the puzzle:

1. Peter did not get engaged to anyone on final rose ceremony day. Doesn’t mean he won’t be by the ATFR or ON the ATFR. But what I do know is that there was no engagement on final rose ceremony day in Australia.

2. Madison’s dad did not give Peter his blessing to marry his daughter during his hometown date visit. Could he have gotten it later? Sure. Have I heard that he did? No, I haven’t. But doesn’t mean he didn’t. The extent of that information in particular ends at the hometown date where Madison’s dad didn’t give Peter permission to marry his daughter. So I’m sure that played a role on final rose ceremony day as well.

Now there are other things I’ve heard about things that happened on or around final rose ceremony time, but none of those are 100% confirmed, so I don’t wanna throw them out there since it’ll only muddy the waters. But those two above I know to be accurate, so those may (or may not) help with this puzzle about what happened at the end. I don’t think there’s any easier answer. When it comes down to it, and when you combine what Peter and Chris Harrison have said post show, I pretty much have the same feeling a lot of you do. And that’s that there was no “finality” on the day of the final rose ceremony. I don’t really know any other explanation of how I’ve heard twice that the ending won’t be spoiled and there’s a reason why – and that’s because the ending hasn’t happened yet. I can’t spoil something that hasn’t happened yet. In all my years doing this, even if I initially had the ending wrong, you had a spoiler for the “Bachelor” usually within a week or so of filming ending. All I can tell you is that if the ending of the season happened on Nov. 17th in Australia, I would’ve found out about it by now. But I believe it’s not over and that’s why Peter and Chris are teasing that there’s a reason it won’t be spoiled. Pretty bold to claim that if you just think I might not hear something over the next two months. So that’s the good news. Today is only January 2nd. We have about 10 weeks until the finale and ATFR. I’m sure more will come out during that time, and when I hear stuff that I can confirm, I will share it with you.

One story that popped up last week I want to address is something that happened on Tik Tok of all places. And I want to address it because it directly involved me. A woman named Lilly Sitver went on Tik Tok and shared a story about she was in an Acai bowl place in TN, Hannah Ann Sluss was there, and Lilly claimed she heard her facetiming with a guy (presumably Peter) and they were talking about apartments in LA together. This made the rounds to me last week as numerous people sent it. I was already aware since Lilly emailed me back on Dec. 12th, the day this happened in the Acai bowl place. There was a reason I never tweeted this story, never wrote about it, and never mentioned it in a podcast. Because to me, it was, well, not a whole hell of a lot. Anytime someone gives me any information, I have a list of questions about their information and based on how they answer them is how I gauge how legit the info is. Not saying Lilly is lying or making this up, but all I have is her word that she thought Hannah Ann was talking to Peter on that Facetime. She had no pics or videos of who she was talking to, nor did she have any audio recording of the voice. So there really wasn’t a whole hell of a lot to do with that information.

I appreciate Lilly coming to me thinking she may have had something. A lot of people do. But the way I work, and how I post spoilers, all centers around what proof you can provide other than “I’m hearing this,” or “word around town,” or “I swear this is true,” etc. That’s just not good enough for me. I know it is for the IG accounts who pretty much run with everything they hear as fact so as to try and be on top of spoilers, but that’s not the way I do business. If I posted every single thing told to me, whether it be this season or any other season, you’d be getting stuff practically every other day. I don’t and I won’t just throw every rumor out there hoping one sticks just to say “See! I told you.” When I feel confident in a spoiler then I release it. That confidence has to go through a few levels of digging before it gets to that point, and unfortunately Lilly’s info, while it’s possible that’s maybe exactly what happened and Hannah Ann happened to spoil her season sitting in an Acai bowl place in Tennessee on Dec. 12th, is not enough for me to go off. If you choose to believe Lilly’s story, that’s great. Then you know how the season ends up. That info wasn’t strong enough for me because there was no proof behind it, so I keep digging.

I know that this wasn’t the answer you were looking for, and we can sit here and speculate until the end of time exactly what happened on final rose ceremony day, or analyze everything that Madion and Hannah Ann post on social media to try and get an answer to things, but I don’t think you’ll get anything there. Because anyone can create any narrative they want when it comes to social media. Madison takes a selfie where she’s smiling and it’s “oh my god, she looks so happy! She must be engaged!” But then if you’re in the camp of “Peter is with Hannah Ann,” you’d make the same case if you saw a picture of Hannah Ann smiling. So that’s an effort in futility to me. Pointless. I’ve heard bits and pieces of things here and there behind the scenes that I’m trying to confirm and hopefully that’ll shed light on some things. But the bottom line to all this is whatever happened on final rose ceremony day isn’t over yet, the “ending” of this season hasn’t technically happened yet, and that’s why there’s nothing to spoil as of now.

I’ve been asked is it frustrating and the answer is no. Will it be annoying when I inevitably get asked 14,873 times in the next two months “Hey, who did Peter choose?” Of course. But I’m just gonna refer them to this column. I laid everything out there for you that I have for now. Hey, maybe it’ll be kind of cool to go into the finale not knowing what the ultimate ending of the season is. This show’s biggest gripe with me has always been about spoiling the ending. Sure, I’m guessing they don’t like everything else being spoiled, but, when you film hometown dates in public, you’re essentially giving out who your final 4 are, so they clearly don’t care THAT much. But Chris Harrison even said in an interview about a year ago that he wishes the ending didn’t get out. What better way for the ending not to get out than to not film it in advance? Is this going to be a one-time occurrence or will this how it is every season from here on out? Tough to answer. We won’t know until the “Bachelorette” rolls around.

So lets enjoy the season. Yes, I know it’s different, and yes I understand a lot of you are impatient and have to have your answers to everything 14 seconds after it happens, but unfortunately, that’s just not the case this season. They’ve changed things up. There are plenty of things I don’t know about what happened. I tried to give you today what I do know. I’m sure it will lead to speculation and crazy theories and people claiming they know what happens, but just keep in mind what Peter and Chris Harrison are selling post show. I really don’t think the “ending” has happened yet because I think they truly do want a season where the ending can’t be spoiled. And the only way to absolutely guarantee that is to not film it in advance. So we’ll see what that leads to. We’ve got 2 ½ months still, so I’ll fill you in on anything I get.

Your rose-ceremony-by-rose-ceremony spoilers will be up on Monday, and if ABC posts the first episode online to the media, I’ll update that for you as well. I’m looking forward to more and more info going forward. Should be interesting. I’ve already heard basically variations of every ending possible and, well, we know only one of those can be right. Just a matter of which one. I would think by the time the finale and ATFR rolls around, I will have a good idea of what went down and what to expect. I’d be pretty surprised if I didn’t. But yeah, this is going to a wild two months of speculation, theories, and crazy stories about this season. Buckle up.

Source: Reality Steve