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Bachelorette 15 - Hannah Brown - General Discussion - Sleuthing Spoilers #3

[mention]Floridian1990[/mention] wrote:
[mention]Summerfun1980[/mention] wrote:I really think it’s as simple as Hannah trusted Peter going into FS week and did not trust Tyler and Peter was the first FD. Peter went into FS ranked above Tyler because she thought hotTyler was just in it for sex or whatever and didn’t really want to be with her. JMO

This!

I think she didn’t want to sleep with peter in FS.
I think she got overwhelmed and it happened with peter
I think Jed FD came after peter and it solidified her choice with him
I think Luke FD was third as he mentioned before him and after
I think Tyler FD was last and she said no sex because of all the previous FD

Peter was an oupsy in my opinion. The only one she wanted in her mind was her F1 and in my opinion she set her choice on Jed. BUT in my opinion she discovered Tyler on a completely different light during FD and she was then conflicted between Peter and Tyler. How could she reject Peter when she gave him all the green lights he was the one. That was very cruel. Yet, she loved what Tyler told her and she discovered a new genuine sweet guy. Maybe she never met a guy like Tyler before? But IMO her religious background put a stop on sex with Tyler. Maybe she tested him but I think she started dinner as platonic friend zone relationship. By morning she realized Tyler was totally genuine and in love with her but her heart was elsewhere. I am sure at one point she thought Tyler {#}2{/#} would be easier.

MY opinion

Bachelorette 15 - Hannah Brown - SHV's - Discussion - Sleuthing Spoilers #5

Been out most of the day but here is an update from what I seen today.

Tyler is still in Florida at a pool in West Palm Beach. Jed seems to still be in Tennessee and in this friend's IG stories.
https://www.instagram.com/thejoedenny/

After Hannah's IG stories she really hasn't been on social media and her music hasn't updated in 2 days.

I know someone ask in the previous thread how far a part where Jed and Hannah's Fathers Day IG stories where during what was suspected to be SHV #2 for them. They where within 30 minutes to an hour apart from what I remember.

Bachelorette 15 - Hannah Brown - ScreenCaps - Sleuthing Spoilers - #2

Lucas15 wrote:
Hotmomma wrote:@Lucas15 I think it could be a Mesnink moment!
@HEA it could be.. # 2 showed up she let him go...#1 showed up she let him go.. on her way back alone to her hotel she realized ... I wanted # 2 back???
Her hair is a mess. Her makeup is not fresh... if it would be on her way to the FRC.. to me it looks like it’s after ..JMO

How about this small tweak?

#2 shows up, she lets him go
#1 shows up, proposes, she accepts
And immediately realizes she made a huge mistake and should have picked #2 and instead of doing the typical "happy twirl" she leaves the FRC and gets in the van.
And on the ride back - with cameras still rolling - she has the van pull over, gets out and has her Mesnick moment - over the one she let get away.
JMHO

I've been thinking the same thing for a while now. A usual FR ceremony where she rejects Tyler and then accepts Jed's proposal. Usual up to this point and then all he!! breaks loose with the Mesnick of her sitting in the middle of the road. This would perhaps account for the scanty SHVs being sleuthed, her looking glum in the press immediately afterwards, and then followed by the perceived SM flirting with Tyler.

TPTB must be singing hallelujahs with the lack of a definitely sleuthed season ending.

And I can't wait until after Mon/Tues so I can get back to my life, laundry and neglected cat.

Bachelorette 15 - Hannah Brown - ScreenCaps - Sleuthing Spoilers - #2

Lucas15 wrote:
Hotmomma wrote:@Lucas15 I think it could be a Mesnink moment!
@HEA it could be.. # 2 showed up she let him go...#1 showed up she let him go.. on her way back alone to her hotel she realized ... I wanted # 2 back???
Her hair is a mess. Her makeup is not fresh... if it would be on her way to the FRC.. to me it looks like it’s after ..JMO

How about this small tweak?

#2 shows up, she lets him go
#1 shows up, proposes, she accepts
And immediately realizes she made a huge mistake and should have picked #2 and instead of doing the typical "happy twirl" she leaves the FRC and gets in the van.
And on the ride back - with cameras still rolling - she has the van pull over, gets out and has her Mesnick moment - over the one she let get away.
JMHO

I think the van ride was mid-day because there are hardly any shadows.

Bachelorette 15 - Hannah Brown - ScreenCaps - Sleuthing Spoilers - #2

Hotmomma wrote:@Lucas15 I think it could be a Mesnink moment!
@HEA it could be.. # 2 showed up she let him go...#1 showed up she let him go.. on her way back alone to her hotel she realized ... I wanted # 2 back???
Her hair is a mess. Her makeup is not fresh... if it would be on her way to the FRC.. to me it looks like it’s after ..JMO

How about this small tweak?

#2 shows up, she lets him go
#1 shows up, proposes, she accepts
And immediately realizes she made a huge mistake and should have picked #2 and instead of doing the typical "happy twirl" she leaves the FRC and gets in the van.
And on the ride back - with cameras still rolling - she has the van pull over, gets out and has her Mesnick moment - over the one she let get away.
JMHO

Bachelorette 15 - Hannah Brown - ScreenCaps - Sleuthing Spoilers - #2

HEA wrote:^^ so we have 3 options for the FRC

1. she will ask to stop by the hotel of her F2 before the ceremony
2. she will calm down and the meltdown was only for drama purpose, FRC will go as normal
3. she will pick nobody

I personally always favor the gentler let go before the ceremony. I hate to see the F2 hoping and devastated. I see no fun watching this.

If she picked nobody, then the actual contestants saying that Jed is devastated does not make sense.

so FOR ME, prods decided to include this meltdown to show how much she struggle to chose her F1 but it was IN MY OPINION because she hated to reject the F2, whom ever he was. She JUST rejected Peter few days before and that was that.

IN MY OPINION

I will take what's behind door #2.

Jed is laying way too low to be F2. CH even mentioned that we appreciate he is waiting to talk as usually the contestants don't get to speak out until they are eliminated. Jed posting his few and far between posts and then going into hiding again and then he posts about heel clicking (may signal an attempt to reconcile with Hannah). So, for me Jed is F1, Tyler F2 and Peter F3. That's my story and I'm sticking to it!

Bachelor In Paradise - Season 6 - Media SM - Sleuthing Spoilers

Credit to RS for the BiP spoilers:

“Bachelor in Paradise” begins Aug. 5th and 6th and will run every Monday and Tuesday night for 6 weeks. The show filmed for about 21 days in June.

There were three people I was made aware of that were flown to Mexico, put up in a hotel, but were never brought on the show:

Brooks Forester
Nina Bartula (Colton’s season)
Danielle Lombard (Danielle was part of Chris and Krystal’s wedding, and was supposed to come on the show from there, but ended up not getting brought on)

Everyone who enters the show enters with a date card and asks someone on date. All those dates are posted here. Other couples definitely have dates throughout the course of the season, but since it was hard to figure out at what point they did, I just left them out.

Because the show airs over two nights, and will be very lenient on when rose ceremonies air, I broke it down by what you’ll see from rose ceremony to rose ceremony, rather than by episodes, since that’d be more confusing.

Here is your original cast for “Bachelor in Paradise.”

Men:

Kevin Fortenberry (Hannah’s season)
John Paul Jones (Hannah)
Dylan Barbour (Hannah)
Cam Ayala (Hannah)
Blake Horstman (Becca’s season)
Wills Reid (Becca)
Clay Harbor (Becca)
Derek Peth (JoJo’s season, BIP season 4)
Chris Bukowski (Emily’s season, Andi’s season, Bachelor Pad season 3, BIP seasons 1 & 2. Yes, he has come out of retirement).

Women:

Hannah Godwin (Colton’s season)
Caelynn Miller-Keyes (Colton)
Nicole Lopez-Alvar (Colton)
Onyeka Ehie (Colton)
Tayshia Adams (Colton)
Sydney Lotuaco (Colton)
Jane Aver (Colton)
Demi Burnett (Colton)
Katie Morton (Colton)
Bibiana Julian (Arie’s season)
Annaliese Puccini (Arie)
Kristina Schulman (Nick’s season & BIP 4) joined the cast on day 2.

Dates:

Blake gets the first date card of the season and asks out Tayshia.
Kristina arrives with a date card on Day 2 and asks out Blake.
Clay is given a date card and he asks out Nicole.

If you didn’t read what I already posted on June 18th about Blake and his whole situation after he got back from his date with Kristina, you can read it all here. The first two episodes on Aug. 5th and 6th will be about Blake. That’s where all the poop hits the fan with him. After that, there really isn’t much drama surrounding him. There’s A LOT of questions surrounding this Blake situation that, hopefully, we’ll get answered going forward. Just a few that I have:

-What was he thinking?
-How exactly did Stagecoach go down?
-How did the trip to Alabama before BIP filming come about?
-Who knew about who and when? Mainly, did Tayshia, Kristina, and Caelynn all know about the other at Stagecoach? If not, when did they find out and how?
-When Blake went to Alabama, did Hannah know about Tayshia, Kristina, and Caelynn from Stagecoach?
-If Blake was all about Hannah (which he tells Tayshia and Caelynn after the first rose ceremony his focus was now on Hannah), why wouldn’t he have asked her out when he got the first date card of the season?
-What did he think his biggest mistake was in all this?
-If he could take one thing back pre-show and during filming, what would it be?

Yeah, so those are just a few to say the least. You know how I said Luke is the one guy I’d probably want to hear from most when this is all said and done? I’d make Blake 1B. Because before BIP, Blake had a pretty squeaky clean image. I don’t think he’s a horrible guy, but I do want to know how he got himself into this mess and his thoughts on all of it.

Some other drama that happened before this rose ceremony involved Annaliese. Because she is friends with Angela, Clay’s ex-girlfriend, she wasn’t happy Clay was on the show and felt he broke up with Angela so he could do it. She confronted Clay with this.

Also, at the cocktail party before the rose ceremony, Annaliese told Chris he was the only guy she wanted to be with. Gee, shocker. Annaliese immediately clinging on to a guy? No way! Anyway, Chris was having none of that and didn’t want to be attached to someone so quickly, so, he didn’t give her a rose.

Rose Ceremony #1 (Men giving out roses)

Clay gave his rose to Nicole
Kevin to Sydney
Blake to Tayshia
Cam to Caelynn
John Paul Jones to Onyeka
Wills to Katie
Derek to Demi
Chris B. to Kristina
Dylan to Hannah G.

Eliminated this rose ceremony: Bibiana Julian, Annaliese Puccini, and Jane Aver.

Rose Ceremony #2: (Men asking dates, Women giving out roses)

Men (13): Clay, Kevin, Blake, Cam, John Paul Jones, Wills, Derek, Chris, and Dylan. Four guys entering this episode: Jordan Kimball (Becca’s season, BIP 5), Mike Johnson (Hannah’s season), Christian Estrada (Becca’s season), and Dean Unglert (Rachel’s season, BIP 4)
Women (9): Nicole, Sydney, Tayshia, Caelynn, Onyeka, Katie, Demi, Kristina, and Hannah G.

Dates:

Jordan with Nicole
Mike with Caelynn
Christian with Nicole
Dean with Caelynn

It’s during this episode that Blake tells Caelynn and Tayshia that he wants to pursue Hannah G. Hannah is already pretty close with Dylan at this point, so nothing ever comes of Blake & Hannah, although at the rose ceremony, they’ll probably make it seem like Hannah was choosing between Dylan and Blake.

During the cocktail party of this episode, Christian and Nicole are off by themselves talking and he brought a pinata. Clay goes over to interrupt and basically Christian doesn’t let him. Clay goes back to the group, tells them what happened, and Jordan then goes over to talk to Christian. He’s about to rip the pinata from where it was hanging (basically to throw it in the ocean like last season’s teddy bear), but Christian grabs his arm, and Jordan body slams him to the ground. Security has to jump in and separate the two, and after a while, Chris Harrison says they both have to leave the show. You saw a clip of how this goes down on the promo that ran last night.

Rose Ceremony #2: (Women giving out roses)

Demi gives her rose to Derek
Caelynn to Dean
Hannah G to Dylan
Nicole to Clay
Katie to Chris
Sydney to Mike
Tayshia to JPJ
Kristina to Blake

Onyeka ended up not giving out her rose. Said she didn’t find a connection so she ends up leaving.

Eliminated this rose ceremony: Cam Ayala, Kevin Fortenberry, and Wills Reid. Jordan Kimball & Christian Estrada eliminated earlier in the episode.

Rose Ceremony #3: (Men giving out roses, Women entering)

Women (12): Demi, Caelynn, Hannah, Nicole, Katie, Sydney, Tayshia, and Kristina. Four women entering this episode: Tahzjuan Hawkins (Colton’s season), Haley Ferguson (Ben Higgins’ season), Jen Saviano (Nick’s season, BIP 3), and Caitlin Clemmens (Colton’s season).
Men (8): Derek, Dean, Dylan, Clay, Chris, Mike, JPJ, and Blake.

Dates:

Tahzjuan with JPJ
Haley with JPJ
J Sav with Chris
Caitlin with Blake
Angela with Mike

Rose Ceremony #3: (Men giving out roses)

Demi to Kristian
JPJ to Haley
Derek to Tayshia
Dylan to Hannah G
Clay to Nicole
Chris to Katie
Dean to Caelynn
Mike to Sydney
Blake to Kristina

I know at some point this episode, Tahzjuan and Haley get into it because Tahzjuan called her a name. Something to do with a bird or something. Totally bizarre, but Tahzjuan, by all accounts, loses it this episode and that’s why she didn’t get a rose.

It’s during this episode that Kristian Haggerty, Demi’s girlfriend before the show, is brought on and they start dating. Basically every rose ceremony from this point forward starts with Demi going first and giving her rose to Kristian.

Dean leaves after giving Caelynn his rose. Says he doesn’t see anything progressing post-show, so she gets to stay, and he bolts.

Eliminated this rose ceremony: Tahzjuan Hawkins, Caitlin Clemmens, and Jen Saviano.

Rose Ceremony #4: (Women giving out roses, Men entering)

Men (11): JPJ, Derek, Dylan, Clay, Chris, Mike, and Blake. 4 guys entering this episode are: Connor Saeli (Hannah’s season), Chase McNary (JoJo’s season), Old Matt Donald (Hannah’s season), and Luke Stone (Hannah’s season).
Women (11): Demi, Kristian, Haley, Tayshia, Hannah, Nicole, Katie, Caelynn, Sydney, and Kristina. Angela Amezcua (Nick’s season, BIP 5) entered this episode. She was part of Chris and Krystal’s wedding that happened after the 3rd rose ceremony, then joined the cast from there.

Dates:

Angela with Mike
Chase with Angela
Connor with Caelynn
Old Matt Donald with Sydney – double date
Luke with Kristina – double date

This episode is where we see the fight shown in the promo of JPJ and Derek. Essentially JPJ accuses Derek of saying something along the lines of using women, or using Tayshia, JPJ takes to her defense, Tayshia essentially takes JPJ’s side during this fight and Derek ends up crying and leaving the show.

The Blake/Kristina relationship takes somewhat of a turn before this rose ceremony as he tells her he wants to try a relationship again with her and doesn’t want to keep giving friendship roses to each other.

Rose Ceremony #4: (Women giving out roses)

Demi to Kristian
Tayshia to JPJ
Hannah to Dylan
Nicole to Clay
Katie to Chris
Caelynn to Connor
Haley to Luke S.
Sydney to Matt
Kristina to Blake
Angela to Chase

Eliminated this rose ceremony: Mike Johnson. Derek Peth eliminated earlier in the episode.

Rose Ceremony #5: (Men giving out roses, Women entering)

Women (14): Demi, Kristian, Tayshia, Hannah, Nicole, Katie, Caelynn, Haley, Sydney, Kristina, and Angela. The three women entering this episode are: Revian Chang (Colton’s season), Bri Barnes (Colton’s season), and Whitney Fransway (Nick’s season).
Men (9): JPJ, Dylan, Clay, Chris, Connor, Luke S., Matt, Blake, and Chase.

There’s A LOT that goes down this episode because it’s the last rose ceremony before the remaining couples have to decide whether to split or stay together and take the overnight date, so a lot of people eventually get weeded out/sent home. I think I have everyone accounted for, but here’s what I know goes down this episode.

Dates:

Bri with Matt
Revian with Connor

This is the episode where Dean comes back and takes Caelynn with him. While she’s with Connor (someone she told people beforehand is the one guy she came on the show for), Dean shows up, pulls her aside, Caelynn is going back and forth talking between Dean and Connor, then starts making out with Dean and leaves with him. Connor is crushed. All I know is I read in many post Colton interviews that Caelynn said she was looking for a good Christian boy, and she ends up doing this. Obviously you’ve seen the numerous pictures of Caelynn and Dean together in Europe post show, so yeah, makes all the sense in the world. Good luck you two. Or should I say good luck Caelynn, because in a few months, dude will move on to someone else. It’s who he is.

Connor had met Whitney Fransway at Chris and Krystal’s wedding. He thought she was eventually gonna come on the show. She didn’t, so Connor left. When they finally did bring Whitney on, Connor was gone. So what happened was, they actually sent Whitney to Connor’s room, and Whitney and Connor got to spend a few days in Mexico together and they are still seeing each other last I checked.

Also in this episode, Blake planned a private date for himself with Kristina, but on this date, Kristina told him she wasn’t feeling it and had buried her feelings for him and wasn’t looking to rekindle them in Paradise. So Blake leaves, and Kristina leaves shortly thereafter. As far as I know, nothing is happening between these two post-show. But I think you can set your stop watch now to see how long it takes Kristina to pair up with someone from the franchise. It’ll happen.

There’s also a love triangle going on between Old Matt Donald, Bri, and Sydney. I don’t know if Sydney made it to the rose ceremony portion and didn’t get a rose, or she left before it.

Rose Ceremony #5: (Men giving out roses)

Demi to Kristian
JPJ to Tayshia
Dylan to Hannah
Clay to Nicole
Chris to Katie
Matt to Bri
Chase to Angela
Luke has a rose and no one wants it so he has to leave. Either Haley left before this rose ceremony, or refused to take Luke’s rose because she was sick of him talking about his tequila business. That became a thing.

So of those remaining couples:

JPJ and Tayshia broke things off and didn’t take the overnight date. I believe Tayshia was the one who ended it.
Matt and Bri broke things off and didn’t take the overnight date. I believe Bri ended it.
Chase and Angela broke things off and didn’t take the overnight date. I believe Chase ended it.

4 couples go to the overnight dates:

Demi and Kristian
Dylan and Hannah
Clay and Nicole
Chris and Katie

On “Decision Day,” Nicole breaks up with Clay because he won’t tell her he’s in love with her/won’t propose. So they leave broken up.

The other 3 couples:

Demi/Kristian, Dylan/Hannah, Chris/Katie all get engaged.

So there you go. Gonna be quite an interesting season of Paradise with more tears than you can shake a stick at. Be ready because there’s a ton of drama this season.

Source: Reality Steve

Bachelorette 15 - Hannah Brown - July 15 - Epi 9 - Sleuthing Spoilers

I have been watching but not visiting forums. I haven't read any threads yet, except last posts about her "peek-a-boo" moment which I missed but may go back to check out since it seems to be the biggest story of the season.

I wasn't a huge fan of Hannah on Colton's season because I thought she brought on most of the drama herself and then acted as she was being wronged. I liked some parts of her personality though and thought she might be a good B'ette.

So far I am not vested in the season. Sometimes I see glimpses of maturity, other times fun and silly (which is a positive), alot of self-absorbed moments, and then other times I am like "WHAT???" I think she is the most straight-forward lead as far as revealing things that have happened and physical aspects of the guys - muscles, kissing, passion, sex . . . . who has ever come right out and thrown it in someone's else's face that they had sex with another person that was there?

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Now, don't get me wrong, I am all about men and women equality and that it is Hannah's choice to do as she wishes with her own body, but #1 Did she ask Peter if he cared that she told the whole world? #2 Did her saying that to Luke help matters or was it just an "I can one up you" moment for all the BS he threw her way. She kept him around despite her own reservations and many warnings from other guys. Luke was judgy, we could all see it from the beginning and so could she. To me during their final argument she was just as immature as he had been all along. Instead of rising above she sunk to his level.

I guess I have to consider she is only 24, but she claims to be a woman who wants respect, trust, and love. She has said she always felt she was pressured to be perfect. I feel like we are watching a bird finally being let out of a cage who doesn't know the rules of freedom quite yet. Honoring yourself and your feelings is a great step, but it doesn't mean you divulge every personal detail and it doesn't mean you step on others to make yourself feel justified. At least once every episode I think, "Sometimes less is more, stop now while you are ahead".

During Colton's season VIRGINITY was the center of attention. This season we are at the opposite end of the spectrum, SEX is the focus. At least with Colton I seen him in LOVE. Since I am basically "unspoiled" the only one I think has feelings for Hannah is Peter, but I think she only has lust for him.

Bachelorette 15 - Hannah Brown - Media - SM - Sleuthing Spoilers #7

sosleepy wrote:
Chgohighlife wrote:
Julie81 wrote:I don’t think for a minute Tyler was number 3 or number 4. Peter was purely physical and I just can’t even put into words what Luke was to her. I think he had a weird hold on her, but I don’t know how to categorize him on the number scale.

IMO, Luke was #1 for a looonnng time. That's why the other guys were so frustrated and also why he was such a jackazz. He knew it, tptb knew it (which is why they kept putting him back in her face) and the other guys did too. Don't ask me to explain why because he makes my skin crawl, just watch her behavior whenever she talks about him, defends him and cancels cocktail parties because she is hearing things she doesn't like about him from the others.
Jed, IMO was always #2. That's why she told him and him only, she was falling in love with him and even moreso, that's why even though his family practically each broke their backs waving, wearing, eating, singing RED FLAGS ---- Hannah totally ignored them.
If Peter is WM guy and he was always #4 ---- you interpret that however you like.

Hi. Even if you believe in your “ranking,” which I personally do not... Hannah said herself she was “right there” with all of her final men. They kept fluctuating, depending who she was with. That’s probably actually how it is for a lot of leads, in this artificial environment building connections with people with limited time and information. I don’t think it’s unreasonable AT ALL that once in the real world, watching all of this back and gaining clarity on the entire situation, she realized, and realized pretty fast imo, that Tyler was her guy. JMO.

Of course I believe in my ranking, it's MY ranking and I don't need your concurrence because it clearly says, IMO.

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Chgohighlife wrote:
Julie81 wrote:I don’t think for a minute Tyler was number 3 or number 4. Peter was purely physical and I just can’t even put into words what Luke was to her. I think he had a weird hold on her, but I don’t know how to categorize him on the number scale.

IMO, Luke was #1 for a looonnng time. That's why the other guys were so frustrated and also why he was such a jackazz. He knew it, tptb knew it (which is why they kept putting him back in her face) and the other guys did too. Don't ask me to explain why because he makes my skin crawl, just watch her behavior whenever she talks about him, defends him and cancels cocktail parties because she is hearing things she doesn't like about him from the others.
Jed, IMO was always #2. That's why she told him and him only, she was falling in love with him and even moreso, that's why even though his family practically each broke their backs waving, wearing, eating, singing RED FLAGS ---- Hannah totally ignored them.
If Peter is WM guy and he was always #4 ---- you interpret that however you like.

Hi. Even if you believe in your “ranking,” which I personally do not... Hannah said herself she was “right there” with all of her final men. They kept fluctuating, depending who she was with. That’s probably actually how it is for a lot of leads, in this artificial environment building connections with people with limited time and information. I don’t think it’s unreasonable AT ALL that once in the real world, watching all of this back and gaining clarity on the entire situation, she realized, and realized pretty fast imo, that Tyler was her guy. JMO.

Bachelorette 15 - Hannah Brown - Media - SM - Sleuthing Spoilers #7

Summerfun1980 wrote:
Bleiby527 wrote:
Summerfun1980 wrote:
Bleiby527 wrote:
Summerfun1980 wrote:
Bleiby527 wrote:
Chgohighlife wrote:
Julie81 wrote:I don’t think for a minute Tyler was number 3 or number 4. Peter was purely physical and I just can’t even put into words what Luke was to her. I think he had a weird hold on her, but I don’t know how to categorize him on the number scale.

IMO, Luke was #1 for a looonnng time. That's why the other guys were so frustrated and also why he was such a jackazz. He knew it, tptb knew it (which is why they kept putting him back in her face) and the other guys did too. Don't ask me to explain why because he makes my skin crawl, just watch her behavior whenever she talks about him, defends him and cancels cocktail parties because she is hearing things she doesn't like about him from the others.
Jed, IMO was always #2. That's why she told him and him only, she was falling in love with him and even moreso, that's why even though his family practically each broke their backs waving, wearing, eating, singing RED FLAGS ---- Hannah totally ignored them.
If Peter is WM guy and he was always #4 ---- you interpret that however you like.

I interpret it as Hannah wanting to sleep with Peter in a windmill, and not having anything to do with any ranking? A lot of women can separate sex from love.

I would. I wasn’t on here back then. But there will be more conversations in this case because Hannah chose to explic

People keep saying this but she’s on a show looking to find a husband not love island or mtv’s are you the one?. Her screwing Peter just because doesn’t really fit the program she’s on. JMO

I think that "testing the merchandise" is fairly important when trying to find a husband?

But you said you don’t think Hannah wanted to do anything other than have sex in a windmill with Peter? That Peter was purely physical? That means he wasn’t in contention to be her husband? So why does she need to test his merchandise? Having sex with Peter wouldn’t build an emotional connection with him. It would be sex just to do it.

Because she didn't know where her head was at the time and wanted to be sure? We can see this looking back that her connection with Peter was solely physical but Hannah had to go through the process herself in order to discover it.

I also just can't see us having the same conversation about Ben Higgins, another Christian, who most likely had sex with his top 3 as well.

Ok. I thought you were saying she knew at the time she just wanted to have sex with Peter. Misunderstanding on my part.

I would but can’t speak for others re Ben. Also did Ben explicitly state who he had sex with and where? We wouldn’t be having this discussion if Hannah had chosen to de discrete, like I’m sure Ben and other did, because we wouldn’t know what she did. There’s no way Hannah didn’t know we would be having this discussion, when she said what she said to Luke, so why can’t we have it. She invited it.

I personally think we're having this discussion because society views women and sex differently than it views men and sex. Perhaps for good reason, as there are more serious consequences of sex for women - pregnancy. But that said, Hannah is being held to a different standard than any Bachelor would be who had sex with multiple contestants. JMO.

Bachelorette 15 - Hannah Brown - Media - SM - Sleuthing Spoilers #7

Bleiby527 wrote:
Summerfun1980 wrote:
Bleiby527 wrote:
Summerfun1980 wrote:
Bleiby527 wrote:
Chgohighlife wrote:
Julie81 wrote:I don’t think for a minute Tyler was number 3 or number 4. Peter was purely physical and I just can’t even put into words what Luke was to her. I think he had a weird hold on her, but I don’t know how to categorize him on the number scale.

IMO, Luke was #1 for a looonnng time. That's why the other guys were so frustrated and also why he was such a jackazz. He knew it, tptb knew it (which is why they kept putting him back in her face) and the other guys did too. Don't ask me to explain why because he makes my skin crawl, just watch her behavior whenever she talks about him, defends him and cancels cocktail parties because she is hearing things she doesn't like about him from the others.
Jed, IMO was always #2. That's why she told him and him only, she was falling in love with him and even moreso, that's why even though his family practically each broke their backs waving, wearing, eating, singing RED FLAGS ---- Hannah totally ignored them.
If Peter is WM guy and he was always #4 ---- you interpret that however you like.

I interpret it as Hannah wanting to sleep with Peter in a windmill, and not having anything to do with any ranking? A lot of women can separate sex from love.

I would. I wasn’t on here back then. But there will be more conversations in this case because Hannah chose to explic

People keep saying this but she’s on a show looking to find a husband not love island or mtv’s are you the one?. Her screwing Peter just because doesn’t really fit the program she’s on. JMO

I think that "testing the merchandise" is fairly important when trying to find a husband?

But you said you don’t think Hannah wanted to do anything other than have sex in a windmill with Peter? That Peter was purely physical? That means he wasn’t in contention to be her husband? So why does she need to test his merchandise? Having sex with Peter wouldn’t build an emotional connection with him. It would be sex just to do it.

Because she didn't know where her head was at the time and wanted to be sure? We can see this looking back that her connection with Peter was solely physical but Hannah had to go through the process herself in order to discover it.

I also just can't see us having the same conversation about Ben Higgins, another Christian, who most likely had sex with his top 3 as well.

Ok. I thought you were saying she knew at the time she just wanted to have sex with Peter. Misunderstanding on my part.

I would but can’t speak for others re Ben. Also did Ben explicitly state who he had sex with and where? We wouldn’t be having this discussion if Hannah had chosen to de discrete, like I’m sure Ben and other did, because we wouldn’t know what she did. There’s no way Hannah didn’t know we would be having this discussion, when she said what she said to Luke, so why can’t we have it. She invited it.