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Bachelor In Paradise - Season 6 - Media SM - Sleuthing Spoilers

Credit to RS for the BiP spoilers:

All right, lets talk some “Bachelor in Paradise” season 6 now. Immediately lets get to three tweets I posted towards the end of last week and on the weekend which are immediate spoilers:

(BIP EXCLUSIVE SPOILER): Filming wrapped yesterday. Here’s at least one engagement I can confirm happened. Demi got engaged to her girlfriend Kristian Haggerty. Not surprised by that since the whole thing was pre-planned and ABC will milk their first same sex couple forever.
— RealitySteve (@RealitySteve) June 28, 2019

(BIP SPOILER): At the 3rd rose ceremony, Dean gave his rose to Caelynn then left. Didn’t see a relationship progressing past the show. Connor S came in and asked out Caelynn and things were going well until Dean returned, said he wanted to be w/ Caelynn, and Caelynn left w/ Dean
— RealitySteve (@RealitySteve) June 30, 2019

(BIP SPOILER): Whitney Fransway (Nicks season) went to Chris & Krystal’s wedding & met Connor. They hit it off. Connor is on the show waiting for Whitney to join. She never does, so he leaves. Whitney finally comes on, but Connor isn’t there. So she leaves & they’re together now.
— RealitySteve (@RealitySteve) June 30, 2019

Lets break down all three:

1) Yeah, so the second Demi’s gf Kristian Haggerty (not part of Bachelor Nation) came on the show and they were allowed to stay, I figured they were heading towards this ending. What other possible reason can be given for why someone who America doesn’t even know would be allowed to stay on the show? 2 reasons: 1) Because it’s their first same sex couple this franchise has ever had and 2) Because they can exploit it by having them get engaged. Just weeks before going on Paradise, Demi was on a podcast saying she wasn’t ready to be engaged. Then after 2 weeks she was? Ok. Look, I’m fine with Demi being bisexual and having a girlfriend. Good for her. Just the way she went about this whole thing, pre-planning with production, etc., I’m sorry, it just loses sincerity for me and feeds the notion that Demi is all about Demi. She wants attention on her as much as possible. Production is just as guilty as anyone since they allow it, but make no mistake, Demi knew what she was doing heading into the show, brought her girlfriend on so she could specifically come out on national television, and then gets engaged? I just find this whole thing very exploitative and ABC will no doubt pound their chest until the end of time promoting the hell out of the fact they have their first same sex couple.

2) Caelynn is someone who went on podcasts and did interviews post Colton’s season talking about how she was looking for a good Christian guy. And now, she ends up leaving with Dean, a known playboy in this franchise, someone who self-admittedly has a hard time committing, and within the last year had no problem telling anyone who’ll listen that every Bachelor Nation relationship is fake. Not to mention, for those who have no idea, Dean doesn’t have a home. He currently lives out of his van and just drifts around basically. His van is his home. Ok. This relationship totally seems realistic. This’ll work.

3) So let me explain this one in more than 280 characters. By the way, isn’t it amazing that when Twitter changed from 140 to 280 characters everyone flipped out saying it was too much? Now, can you even imagine only having 140 characters to make a tweet? Neither can I. Anyway, so there were certain contestants who were already filming in Paradise that were allowed to attend Chris and Krystal’s wedding. I don’t think the whole cast did, but just selected ones. Connor was already on the show at that point, and I think Dean had already come back to take Caelynn away. Anyway, Whitney Fransway (Nick’s season) was in attendance at the wedding even though, as far as my knowledge, she had zero allegiance or friendship with Chris or Krystal. So Connor and Whitney started talking at the wedding and hit it off. Connor goes back filming Paradise thinking Whitney will be brought on at some point. She wasn’t, so Connor eliminates himself since Whitney didn’t come on. Whitney ends up being brought on the show shortly after Connor leaves, sees he’s not there, and eliminates herself to after Connor. And now they’re together post-show.

I’m still trying to gather all the information about how the show ended outside of Demi’s engagement. Pretty sure I know who the final couples were and if they decided to go to the fantasy suite or not, just trying to get details behind everything. So with that said, I’ll give you the spoilers for the first 2 episodes of Paradise this season. Here is the original cast:

Men:

Kevin Fortenberry (Hannah’s season)
John Paul Jones (Hannah)
Dylan Barbour (Hannah)
Cam Ayala (Hannah)
Blake Horstman (Becca’s season)
Wills Reid (Becca)
Clay Harbor (Becca)
Derek Peth (JoJo’s season, BIP season 4)
Chris Bukowski (Emily’s season, Andi’s season, Bachelor Pad season 3, BIP seasons 1 & 2. Yes, he has come out of retirement).

Women:

Hannah Godwin (Colton’s season)
Caelynn Miller-Keyes (Colton)
Nicole Lopez-Alvar (Colton)
Onyeka Ehie (Colton)
Tayshia Adams (Colton)
Sydney Lotuaco (Colton)
Jane Aver (Colton)
Demi Burnett (Colton)
Katie Morton (Colton)
Bibiana Julian (Arie’s season)
Annaliese Puccini (Arie)
Kristina Schulman (Nick’s season & BIP 4) joined the cast on day 2.

Dates:

Blake gets the first date card of the season and asks out Tayshia.
Kristina arrives with a date card on Day 2 and asks out Blake.
Clay is given a date card and he asks out Nicole.

If you didn’t read what I already posted on June 18th about Blake and his whole situation after he got back from his date with Kristina, you can read it all here.

Some other drama that happened before this rose ceremony involved Annaliese. Because she is friends with Angela, Clay’s ex-girlfriend, she wasn’t happy Clay was on the show and felt he broke up with Angela so he could do it. She confronted Clay with this.

Also, at the cocktail party before the rose ceremony, Annaliese told Chris he was the only guy she wanted to be with. Gee, shocker. Annaliese immediately clinging on to a guy? No way! Anyway, Chris was having none of that and didn’t want to be attached to someone so quickly, so, he didn’t give her a rose.

Rose Ceremony #1 (Men giving out roses)

Clay gave his rose to Nicole
Kevin to Sydney
Blake to Tayshia
Cam to Caelynn
John Paul Jones to Onyeka
Wills to Katie
Derek to Demi
Chris B. to Kristina
Dylan to Hannah G.

Eliminated this episode: Bibiana Julian, Annaliese Puccini, and Jane Aver.

Rose Ceremony #2: (Men asking dates, Women giving out roses)

Men (13): Clay, Kevin, Blake, Cam, John Paul Jones, Wills, Derek, Chris, and Dylan. Four guys entering this episode: Jordan Kimball (Becca’s season, BIP 5), Mike Johnson (Hannah’s season), Christian Estrada (Becca’s season), and Dean Unglert (Rachel’s season, BIP 4)
Women (9): Nicole, Sydney, Tayshia, Caelynn, Onyeka, Katie, Demi, Kristina, and Hannah G.

Dates:

Jordan with Nicole
Mike with Caelynn
Christian with Nicole
Dean with Caelynn

It’s during this episode that Blake tells Caelynn and Tayshia that he wants to pursue Hannah G. Hannah is already pretty close with Dylan at this point, so nothing ever comes of Blake & Hannah.

During the cocktail party of this episode, Christian and Nicole are off by themselves talking and he brought a pinata. Clay goes over to interrupt and basically Christian doesn’t let him. Clay goes back to the group, tells them what happened, and Jordan then goes over to talk to Christian. He’s about to rip the pinata from where it was hanging (basically to throw it in the ocean like last season’s teddy bear), but Christian grabs his arm, and Jordan body slams him to the ground. Security has to jump in and separate the two, and after a while, Chris Harrison says they both have to leave the show.

Rose Ceremony:

Demi gives her rose to Derek
Caelynn to Dean
Hannah G to Dylan
Nicole to Clay
Katie to Chris
Sydney to Mike
Tayshia to JPJ
Kristina to Blake

Onyeka ended up not giving out her rose. Said she didn’t find a connection so she ends up leaving.

Eliminated this episode: Cam Ayala, Kevin Fortenberry, and Wills Reid. Jordan Kimball & Christian Estrada eliminated earlier in the episode.

I pretty much have everything for episodes 3 and 4 as well and will be posting those soon. Just wanted to give you some more spoilers to hold you over.

Source: Reality Steve

Bachelorette 15 - Hannah Brown - SHV's - Discussion - Sleuthing Spoilers #3

Sprite wrote:
North wrote:
BlackHalo wrote:It's too soon for the show to let Tyler and Hannah meet but considering they are bringing their love story to the forefront in light of the Jed scandal I can see it happening. Even if just for closure. Had Jed not have been there she could have had her happy ending with him. They're gonna milk that. JMO.

@Lucas15 penned some interesting commentary about this show bills itself on producing a happy couple/ending. And I keep thinking about that as we barrel towards the finale.

I go back and forth on whether TPTB would sanction a SHV (if desired between the two) prior to the finale, because the outcome of said meeting could, once again, drive the ending in a different direction. First, that meeting could be disastrous -- Hannah depressed and distraught, Tyler bitter and unhappy. Or, the meeting is lukewarm, feelings were lost and not rekindled. Or, just too much pressure to reclaim what was lost when Hannah picked Jed. Would TPTB want to risk that? How much time do they have to change the edit or do they even care at this point? I think there are two options TPTB is working on and they are:

1) No SHV. Go all in on Hannah being single and choosing herself. Not a traditional happy couple ending but in light of this season, a happy ending for Hannah.

2) NO SHV. But DV (digital visits). Play it loose with an H&T reconciliation. Let them communicate (if they want) via digital channels and see what happens. Maybe there is a sweet, soft ending where Chris Harrison asks what's next and they respond, they are grabbing a drink after ATFR. Not quite a happy ending but a hint of possibility.

Thoughts?

I have been thinking along the lines of #2 as well. Let them communicate and get some of that on tape. They are going to do it regardless, one way or another, and pretty much have been doing with all the likes, etc. It builds up the tension for Hannah and Tyler. If they are interested, that is expressed and they have a touching reunion at the AFTR. If not, then they can go and set the stage for #1...and maybe lay the ground work for Tyler becoming the next beloved, very hot Bachelor.

At this stage, I don't think that it even matters which they pick. She got rid of loser #1 on the show with the one finger salute and will receive cheers for finally kicking him to the curb. Post show, she rids herself of loser #2 ASAP and he will probably be thrown under the bus even more than loser #1 to become the most hated man in America for taking advantage of sweet, forgiving Hannah...forget Brad, Jason and even Luke. Women will sympathize and cheer. Hannah Beast will have come full circle by standing up for herself and growing as an independent, strong woman who takes no prisoners.

Either way, tptb are winners. They get a shocking, never before seen ending. They can claim...look how real it all is …just like real life. We champion strong women, blah, blah, blah. Everyone hits the talk show circuit and milks it for all it's worth and live happily ever after...or at least till the next Bachelor rolls into town.

As long as "Everyone" does NOT include Jed.

Bachelorette 15 - Hannah Brown - SHV's - Discussion - Sleuthing Spoilers #3

North wrote:
BlackHalo wrote:It's too soon for the show to let Tyler and Hannah meet but considering they are bringing their love story to the forefront in light of the Jed scandal I can see it happening. Even if just for closure. Had Jed not have been there she could have had her happy ending with him. They're gonna milk that. JMO.

@Lucas15 penned some interesting commentary about this show bills itself on producing a happy couple/ending. And I keep thinking about that as we barrel towards the finale.

I go back and forth on whether TPTB would sanction a SHV (if desired between the two) prior to the finale, because the outcome of said meeting could, once again, drive the ending in a different direction. First, that meeting could be disastrous -- Hannah depressed and distraught, Tyler bitter and unhappy. Or, the meeting is lukewarm, feelings were lost and not rekindled. Or, just too much pressure to reclaim what was lost when Hannah picked Jed. Would TPTB want to risk that? How much time do they have to change the edit or do they even care at this point? I think there are two options TPTB is working on and they are:

1) No SHV. Go all in on Hannah being single and choosing herself. Not a traditional happy couple ending but in light of this season, a happy ending for Hannah.

2) NO SHV. But DV (digital visits). Play it loose with an H&T reconciliation. Let them communicate (if they want) via digital channels and see what happens. Maybe there is a sweet, soft ending where Chris Harrison asks what's next and they respond, they are grabbing a drink after ATFR. Not quite a happy ending but a hint of possibility.

Thoughts?

I have been thinking along the lines of #2 as well. Let them communicate and get some of that on tape. They are going to do it regardless, one way or another, and pretty much have been doing with all the likes, etc. It builds up the tension for Hannah and Tyler. If they are interested, that is expressed and they have a touching reunion at the AFTR. If not, then they can go and set the stage for #1...and maybe lay the ground work for Tyler becoming the next beloved, very hot Bachelor.

At this stage, I don't think that it even matters which they pick. She got rid of loser #1 on the show with the one finger salute and will receive cheers for finally kicking him to the curb. Post show, she rids herself of loser #2 ASAP and he will probably be thrown under the bus even more than loser #1 to become the most hated man in America for taking advantage of sweet, forgiving Hannah...forget Brad, Jason and even Luke. Women will sympathize and cheer. Hannah Beast will have come full circle by standing up for herself and growing as an independent, strong woman who takes no prisoners.

Either way, tptb are winners. They get a shocking, never before seen ending. They can claim...look how real it all is

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…just like real life. We champion strong women, blah, blah, blah. Everyone hits the talk show circuit and milks it for all it's worth and live happily ever after...or at least till the next Bachelor rolls into town.

Bachelorette 15 - Hannah Brown - TIMELINE - Discussion - Sleuthing Spoilers

Let the epic continue...

5/5: Jed’s dad posted on IG but the post is deleted. Thanks to our amazing board, it was copied and saved here: page 4 of Jed thread:

https://www.bachandbachettefans.net/t5131p36-bachelorette-15-jed-wyatt-sleuthing-spoilers

Continue on filming schedule
Episode 10 - MTPs/LCDs/FRC (2 - 1) Tyler, Jed
5/6: MTP #1 -
5/7: MTP #2 -
RS reported Luke was eliminated
5/8: LCD #1 -
5/9: LCD #2 -

CH was spotted in Santorini according to the spoiler site:
https://www.instagram.com/p/BxSlA7Dgzha/?igshid=16njsxf1dka5e

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5/10: FRC

According to Hannah’s family sm posting :

Brother-in-law (or cousin or uncle, sorry I can’t remember)
https://www.instagram.com/bamaboy1981
5/7 Crete
5/9 Santorini
Brother Patrick https://www.instagram.com/patrickbrown81
5/8 Crete
5/9 Santorini
Dad Robert https://www.instagram.com/robertbrown2400
(I don’t think dad’s posting is helpful because I think it’s later-gram)

I think MTP are in Crete
LCD and FRC are in Santorini
But we need more screencaps to confirm.

5/10 someone claimed to be Luke’s friend on Reddit Jed was in F2

5/12 Luke IG public

5/13 Hannah back to the States
Season Premier
Patrick Brown followed Haley Stevens
Peter IG public
Tyler followed someone but still private

5/14 Jed IG public
ETA: Hannah’s mom followed both Jed (public) and Tyler (private). I have screenshots of both follows.

5/15 Hannah first IG post
Tyler IG public
Tyler’s friend post on IG story of his first sighting (her account is private, so I can’t post the SC)
Jed’s first IG post

5/16 Tyler first IG

This is what I have pre filming, but I definitely need some help here.
@smg2587, @mercieme, @ReneeM, @Astrobach, @alwayscooking and any other amazing sleuthers, please help!

Bachelorette 15 - Hannah Brown - TIMELINE - Discussion - Sleuthing Spoilers

Ok I will start from FD onwards, because there are things that don’t make sense to me. Here we go!

Warning: it’s going to be an Epic post!

Timelines- FD Onwards-No Discussion thread

According to our filming schedule
https://www.bachandbachettefans.net/t5119p12-bachelorette-15-hannah-brown-filming-schedule-no-discussion-sleuthing-spoilers

Episode 9 - FDs (3 - 2) Luke, Peter, Tyler, Jed
4/29: FD1:
4/30: day off
5/1: FD2 :
5/2: day off

Interesting tidbits:

According to Socialblade, https://socialblade.com/twitter/user/wyattjed/monthly, scroll down to see the graphics

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Jed had twitter activities 5/2 after inactive for one month. I remember our queen of sm tracking @smg2587 posted about it too. Please verify, @smg2587!

That’s why some of us thought Jed was eliminated at f4. How do we explain him being active during filming? I think it was an private account so for him to accept a follower someone had to have access to Jed’s account. He had a manager? Family members?

My conspiracy theory #1: he was eliminated or left on his own then came back. Hannah’s being upset in that halter dress is about him, not about Luke.

Screencaps credits to our SC queen @alwayscooking, from SC thread https://www.bachandbachettefans.net/t5201-bachelorette-15-hannah-brown-scaps-no-discussion-sleuthing-spoilers

This is Jed’d FD in Elounda Mare , Crete, location identified by the spoiler account https://www.instagram.com/p/By5zNJVH68i/?igshid=wrt6p74ice69

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5/3: FD3:

5/4: FD4:LUKE - Santorini, Greece - know it is his as tweeted pics came out. - was eliminated during date

According to our poster @luvstx, TripAdvisor posters reported bad weather, (confirmed by screencaps, raining during night portion of Hannah and Luke’s FD. Ferries and some flights were canceled between Santorini and Mykonos

5/5: 9th Rose Ceremony: ELIMINATED: LUKE (per RS) during date, PETER during RC

Many think this is the F3 RC, same location as Jed’s FD night portion, because of the same yellow arch, in Crete.

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My question: if the weather was horrible the day before, why did they go back to Crete, then go again to Santorini for MTP and FRC?
(I will talk later why I think MTP and FRC were in Santorini)

My conspiracy theory #2: TPTB had pre-planned 3 FDs as usual, but Luke was too good to let go at f4, knowing his view on sex would clash with Hannah, so they added him later (for old timers: I remember they did kind of the same thing with Ed in Jillian’s season for FD hotel?)

Episode 10 - MTPs/LCDs/FRC (2 - 1) Tyler, Jed
5/6: MTP #1 -
5/7: MTP #2 -
5/8: LCD #1 -
5/9: LCD #2 -
5/10: Final Rose Ceremony

I need to take a break here, will be back !

Bachelorette 15 - Hannah Brown - General Discussion - Sleuthing Spoilers #2

@ReneeM thanks for the clarifications.

So we really don’t know the answer to #1, how Patrick found out about Haley.

Also, let’s be careful about #2. According to RS, Jed and Hannah met up in Nashville on CMA weekend, June 7-8??

Bachelorette 15 - Hannah Brown - June 24th - Epi 6 - Sleuthing Spoilers

ReneeM wrote:
mercieme wrote:Guys, I just checked Twitter and the Bachelorette is not trending in the top 5, can someone also confirm. I hope it’s not because people are not watching

I have my trends set to worldwide and thebachelorette is #1, Luke is #2, Tyler’s #6, and Garrett’s #13

Jeds not even trending?

Small blessings.

Bachelorette 15 - Hannah Brown - June 24th - Epi 6 - Sleuthing Spoilers

ReneeM wrote:
mercieme wrote:Guys, I just checked Twitter and the Bachelorette is not trending in the top 5, can someone also confirm. I hope it’s not because people are not watching

I have my trends set to worldwide and thebachelorette is #1, Luke is #2, Tyler’s #6, and Garrett’s #13

Ok thanks, i was probably seeing US trends only

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Bachelorette 15 - Hannah Brown - June 24th - Epi 6 - Sleuthing Spoilers

ReneeM wrote:
mercieme wrote:Guys, I just checked Twitter and the Bachelorette is not trending in the top 5, can someone also confirm. I hope it’s not because people are not watching

I have my trends set to worldwide and thebachelorette is #1, Luke is #2, Tyler’s #6, and Garrett’s #13

Not looking so good for that Fame you wanted huh Jedster?

Bachelorette 15 - Hannah Brown - June 24th - Epi 6 - Sleuthing Spoilers

mercieme wrote:Guys, I just checked Twitter and the Bachelorette is not trending in the top 5, can someone also confirm. I hope it’s not because people are not watching

I have my trends set to worldwide and thebachelorette is #1, Luke is #2, Tyler’s #6, and Garrett’s #13

Bachelorette 15 - Hannah Brown - General Discussion - Sleuthing Spoilers #2

HEA wrote:for me the logical order is

F4 Luke
F3 Peter
F2 Tyler
F1 Jed

However I have several options:

1. Luke rejected at LD dinner
2. Luke came back before RC at RC4
3. Luke came back before FRC
4. Jed left at LD dinner
5. Jed came back before FRC
6. Hannah met a greek and decided to marry him on the spot

ha!

I agree with #4 and #5 scenarios IMO, except I think it’s Jed’s FD, because : (all JMO)

1.screencap showed Hannah stormed off on their dinner, which was sleuthed in Crete.here https://www.instagram.com/p/By5zNJVH68i/?igshid=1af391v9yz16a
And based on Hannah’s family members IG, I believe MTP and LD were in Santorini
I guess that’s when Jed left

2. Jed had twitter activities on May 2, which was aligned with our filming schedule: the day after FD #2. So I think he was self eliminated and had his phone back

3. Hannah’s reaction in that halter dress which was sleuthed to be f3 here , I think it’s way too strong if it were Luke, so my guess is Jed returned
https://www.instagram.com/p/By6Fd3Fn3mN/?igshid=7hm8edki9no7

All my speculations and I could be totally wrong! So IMO, lots of sleuthing to be done!

Bachelor Australia - Matt Agnew - Season 7 - Betting Odds - Sleuthing Spoilers

Agent99 wrote:This should probably be in a different thread, but IMO he has experience. Imagine how many 18-23 year olds there are at uni. There were so many responses from those that knew him on SM when he was announced, gushing over him. If anyone has seen Indiana Jones movies, I can just see this happening

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmkJ0lrCpLQ

IMO he will be looking for someone with a different life experience, so yes, I agree with your outcome #2 @Bobette

Yes we are getting off topic but this deserves to be embedded.

I am also reminded of the statistic that when Professor Brian Cox started teaching, enrolments in Physics from female students on his campus went up like 500%

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