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HEA wrote:for me the logical order is

F4 Luke
F3 Peter
F2 Tyler
F1 Jed

However I have several options:

1. Luke rejected at LD dinner
2. Luke came back before RC at RC4
3. Luke came back before FRC
4. Jed left at LD dinner
5. Jed came back before FRC
6. Hannah met a greek and decided to marry him on the spot

ha!

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natik wrote:@Astrobach Thank you for worrying!

Guys I am alive and still here. Don’t worry I am fine. I was busy with a project at work that’s why I couldn’t update the thread. But I have now a few days of. Sorry that you have to wait so long for translation. I am doing my best to finish episode 3. The most important things about episodes 4 were already discussed and translated. I am gonna translate a few interesting parts of episode 4 and then we are done with those episodes.

For users who can’t wait to watch episode 5 without the translation here is the link:

SPOILER



Link:

http://sefimu.com/play/video/76351836

(you need to switch for part 2 in the upper left corner of the screen)


Source:
https://m.vk.com/zabuzovy

Sprite wrote:Here we go with episode 5, part 1.

So we start off with the guys arriving in Naples and getting a ride in a minivan with their Italian driver pretty much mouthing off to other drivers the whole way. Typical.

They arrive at an old villa with the most fantastic views of the countryside and Mount Vesuvius across from them. Absolutely beautiful. Another one on my bucket list.

Olga arrives and talks about how things are PRIJATNO...pleasant. I think setting us up for the fight to come which I assume will be anything but pleasant. They are chatting and Evgeny is telling her something that I think is supposed to be funny, but as usual, Olga is not amused by him. Then Denis starts and she is much happier. @Natik, Olga asks him a question and he answers SLATKA...which in Croatian means sweet. Everyone seems to crack up. What did she ask? And then Valja starts and he appears embarrassed by whatever they are talking about. Sasha on the other had looks like someone stuck a stick up his a**. Seriously the dude just looks bored and like he could care less about being there. He doesn't even seem to be trying to fit in with the guys or Olga. Even his ITMs look like he is bored.

Evgeny tries again with a present for Olga and asks Sasha to move over since Sasha is sitting next to Olga. I think he gives her a Lemoncello liqueur, a bracelet and it looks like a piece of lava from one of the eruptions. She is polite. Valja is doing a lot of ITMs during the gift giving and doesn't seem too thrilled. Poor Evgeny. He is trying so hard, but it just is not working. I don't know if he just doesn't see it or if he thinks if he just tries harder she might change her mind...She won't! She doesn't seem too thrilled with what Valja is going on about either.

Next up....Olga's mom coming to chat with the guys! She seems to comment something to Valja. @Natik can you please let us know what her mom talked about with the guys? Mom takes them to a kitchen and I think asks them to cook something. Sasha right away picks dessert and Valja makes some kind of comment about that with a really funny face and vocals? Evgeny picks salad. I think Sergei wanted to do the meat as did Denis, but I think Denis said he would do whatever was left. Mom made a comment about Denis. I wish I could understand it all. She was asking them questions as they were cooking. Did she make a comment about Sasha showing off? And I think she said something about Valja making excuses...as to why he didn't know how to cook? but he did ask for her help and he made some kind of crepe. Then she was not impressed by Sasha who just cut up strawberries and kiwi. The way he jumped at it, I thought he would be making something impressive, but no. Mama doesn't look impressed either.

After everything was finished, Olga joined them up on the terrace. She looked surprised at how good everything looked. I think she thought mom did most of it, but the guys were like she helped. I think Olga would like a guy who can cook. Did her mom say she doesn't cook? I think Olga was trying to guess who made what dish and she had no clue. She seemed to expect Denis to cook well, but seemed impressed by the crepes Valja made and unimpressed by Sasha and his lack of effort...again.

After everything, Olga and mama  went for a little talk. What did mama tell her about the guys?
I don't think she liked Sasha. After, they went back and Olga discussed what they had talked about. What did Olga tell the guys? It seems it came down to Denis and Valja. Did she ask them to decide between them who gets the date with her?

Valja arrives at the marina. Gives her a hug. They were walking along, holding hands and laughing. They go sailing on a yacht.  They did some talking. It seemed to go okay for the most part...and then during her ITM....she seemed to get a little angry. What were they discussing? She was touching him so it couldn't have been all bad.

Back at the villa, mama is back and chatting with the remaining guys. I don't know what is going on with that salad, but she brought it back up again. What were they chatting about here? Mama pulls Denis aside and they go off to chat. He was saying something about learning? … was that after his divorce? Mama seemed to really like him. He kissed her hand just like he does with Olga. I wonder if he does that all the time that charmer? Back to the other guys talking while mama and Denis are off.

Then back to the sailing with Olga and Valja. They are talking and she is laughing. She doesn't look uncomfortable with him...they are standing and he is right behind her with his arm sort of behind her holding on to a post...sort of helping her keep her footing. I don't know why, but in her ITMs, she again looks somewhat ticked off. I don't know what is the issue or if there even is an issue, but she seems okay while with him and then they both turned to the camera and said something to whoever is behind there. A bit odd...apparently he wanted something that was impossible and he was digging himself a hole?

They sailed to Capri and then did some swimming. Valja seemed to loosen up and they appeared to be having fun. When they got out, he hosed her down and even pulled down the backside of her bathing suit....hmmm...She looked very happy in her ITMs and she let him drape the towel around her...along with his arms...hmmm....and I believe she said he is romantic???

And so ends the first half at this somewhat hot moment. Not quite as romantic as the date with Denis, but the best competition thus far. Hmmm....things are getting interesting!

natik wrote:God @Sprite seriously I love your comments. I swear it´s fun to read them and mostly you are on point.



Ok here we go:

Olga arrives and she says in her ITM that she is happy with the guys who stayed. She said to the men that they all are looking really good and that she is happy to see them. They are chatting and it´s actually a good atmosphere. She said in her ITM that she likes Evgeny better and better because he is positive and she likes his sense of humor. (My personal impression she still doesn´t see in him a man for her).
Denis is admitting that he was dreaming the last night about Olga.

Olga: Is it true?

Denis: Yes.

Olga: Seriously?

Denis: It was a really sensual dream…and I woke up…

Olga: No..no don´t tell it.

Denis: I dreamed that we kissed.

Olga: Seriously?

Denis: We kissed and talked and had a good time together.

Olga: And how did you liked the kiss with me?

Denis: It was sweet.

Valja didn´t liked that story.

Olga said, so it means we shared our first kiss. And Valja misunderstood it and asked if they kissed for real. Olga said no we are still talking about the dream. Valja in his ITM`s is always dissing the guys. It´s not even some easy jokes it´s more like a diss. he is making fun of them. It´s like he thinks he is above them all.

Evgeny bought her some gifts the fun part about it is he was shopping with Denis. And Denis wanted to buy for her a handbag the next day but Evgeny kinda took Denis idea with the handbag and gave it to Olga.

Ok here we go Olga`s mom arrives. That woman is a bomb!

Olga is calling for her mum and Valja is calling her „mother in law“.

Mum: Oh guys let me tell you something you are in trouble.

Olga`s mum said in her ITM that Olga said her nothing about the guys all she knew about them were their names. Olga said to her that she wants her mum to objective impression of the men.

Mum: Valja for you it´s going to be harder because I hate that name. (she is joking)

So it´s cooking time with Olga`s mum. She prepared five dishes that Olga likes the most.

First: potatoes with mushroom

Second: Meat

Third: Crepes we are calling them in Russia „bliny“.

Four: Salad

Five: Dessert


Olga`s mum said they need to choose on their own what they want to cook. Sasha said the first that he wants to make the dessert.


Valja ITM (mocking Sasha): Sweet Grinev choose the dessert. Ooooh…err

Evgeny chooses salad.

Denis is saying he does`t care he would do anything. Vallejo is saying to Denis that he can have the meat.

Mum ITM: I liked that Denis didn´t fought for a dish and said I am gonna cook anything I don´t care.

Valja is choosing crepes. Seems to me like he can’t cook at all because at the start of the episode when they arrived to their new mansion he said: „The only thing that is missing here in the kitchen is a woman.“

So they started and Evgeny asked if they have to cook only for Olga or for her mum as well. And Olga`s mum said you need to decide.

Valja ITM: Evgeny was talking too much today. I mean he is talking all the time too much but today it was unbearably.

Olga´s mum asked the guys about their families, their siblings. Sasha said that he has four siblings.

Olga´s mum ITM: He is not ready yet. He seems to me like the youngest kid in the family who had`t had the chance to grow up and be a man.

Olga mum ITM: Sergej is a great guy. I saw that he has the same technics in cleaning the potatoes he seems at ease.

Sergej is telling that he has two siblings he is the oldest one. He has a sister and a brother.

Denis said it´s normal with him. He loves his parents. His dad worked for the Russian secret service (FSB it´s like the FBI/CIA in the US).Olga`s mum joked about it and said that it´s not going to be ease to get a divorce with him.

Denis ITM: I didn´t tried to make her like me. I acted normal and didn´t wanted to impress her. I don´t like if someone is doing it.

Evgeny is talking about his favorite topic about money and that he is a millionaire.  
Denis said in his ITM that she kept her distance with Evgeny and kinda acted around him with a little irony.

Olga`s mum ITM about Valja: He didn´t tried to surprise me with something. He had his task and he was concentrated on that. I liked that.

Olga´s mum: How will you call your mother in law?

Sasha: Mommy

Olga`s mum ITM: That was a big mistake by Sasha.

Olga`s mum: You can call however you want but never call me „Mommy“. Because there was one who called me like that for four years and didn´t even called me when he get rid of my daughter.

Olgas mum to Sasha: Are you nervous?

Sasha: Yes I am always nervous during important events.

Mum: And how is it in life when there are responsibilities?

Evgeny: I am not nervous at all.

Mum: Yes I see that

Mum ITM about Sasha: It feels to me like he is lost. He chose some fruits but what to do with it he does´t know.

She is saying to Sasha that he needs to be more creative. There is no love in his dish.

Mum ITM: I am feeling with him like he is a little boy and I am his mum. He is a baby to me.  

So they were finished with cooking and Olga needs to taste everything and try to guess who cooked what.

Olga is tasting it and she liked the crepes but she said that out of all the dishes she would have chosen the salad. She liked the meat and how the plate was decorated with a rose. She guessed only the dish who made Denis. She said it´s his style with the decoration and the rose. With all the others she was wrong. She was surprised that Valja made the crepes she didn´t thought that he can do that.
Well Sasha failed with his dessert she was impressed at all.
But in general she was impressed by their cooking skills.

The talk with her mum:

Mum: You know I didn´t liked all your exe´s at all. From the first one to the last one.

Evgeny is too much. And he told me that he is a millionaire.

Olga: Oh that`s classical.

Mum: From one side maybe it´s a yes because if he wants something he will get it. And it´s normal because he is in the financial business and he that´s they way how things work there. If you want to be someone in that sphere.

Olga ITM: Evgeny is like a truck and I don´t know if it´s the best in a relationship.

Mum: Sasha, Sergej and Evgeny wanted to choose right from the start what they want to cook. The easiest dishes salad and dessert. The easiest.

Olga: That´s what I wanted to know who choose the dessert.

Mum: The dessert was Sasha`s choice.

Olga: It´s the easiest dish.

Mum: He is a boy he can´t take responsibility for himself.

Olga: Oh that´s horrible mum don’t do it don´t upset me. I told him the same in Verona. I don´t need a pretty boy I need a man.

Mum: So why are you upset?

Olga: Because I liked him.

Olga is asking her mum with whom she should go on a date.

Mum: You know you said that from all the dishes you would have chosen the salad so now I would say go with the salad on the date. It´s also an opportunity to find out if he is someone for you.

Mum ITM: On a date I would chose Evgeny just to find out that he is for sure not the one.

Mum: You need to be honest the only dish you ate was the salad.

Olga: No that´s not true I tasted all the dishes except the dessert.

Mum ITM: If someone out of the men will decide that Olja is his destiny than all the chances are in his hands because Olja is open. I saw it today that she is ready to fall in love.

Olja joined the men to tell them who will go on a date. She can´t decide between Denis and Valja. She liked the way Denis decorated the dish and that was the only dish she guessed right. Plus her mom told her that Denis said that he does´t care which dish to cook because he was sure to make her happy with any of the dishes. She was also impressed with Valja´s crepes and that he is not trying to be in the centre of attention that he is keeping himself in the background.
She decided to spent half of the day with Valja and half of the day with Denis. Which part of the day they should decide on their own.

They decided that Valja is going in the first half of the day and Denis in the second half of the day.

Translation ends at 30:20.

natik wrote:

We left of at 30:20.

Olga tells that she will learn more about Valja because she does´t know anything about him. She does´t know what a man he is. What he is doing? Nothing about his past and present. All she knows is that he seems like a honorably man.

They met and had a little chat nothing interesting. Just some small talk and some jokes because it´s actually the first time that they are going to spent time on an individual date.

Olga said in her ITM that she liked how they met it was like they met for the first time.

Valja decided to take her on a yacht. She said you did on purpose so I need to take off my heels so we can be the same height.

Valja answered that no, he thought that Olja can´t escape from the yacht.

They have fun and then they are showing us a conversation.

Olga: You had a very beautiful wife why are you divorced?

Valja: Can I have a drink at first.

Valja ITM: It´s a personal questions and I told about it only a few people.

Olga: Valja we don´t have much time and it´s for me an important moment. If you would have asked me I would have answered you. I am ready to be honest with you and if I don´t want to answer a question I am gonna tell you that.

Valja: Ok the same for me.

Olga: So can you please answer me?

Valja: I am doing the same I don´t want to answer that question.

So basically he does´t want to answer it. The atmosphere was a little bit tense that´s what he is saying in his ITM.

Olga: Did you loved your wife?

Valja: Yes.

Olga: A lot?

Valja: Yes. …  Sorry.

Olga: No it´s wonderful.

Valja: I don´t want to talk about women with you.

Olga: You don´t want to?

Valja: No, for what? What does it give you?

Olga: I am just curious why a man get a divorce with a beautiful graceful woman. Did you fall out of love?

After some time he is answering her.

Valja: It was her initiative.

Olga: Were you upset?

Valja: No because I kinda saw it coming. We started to fight a lot and I had a crises of an middle aged man and so it happened.

Valja ITM: Did I said today too much? Mmmm I don´t think so.

Olga: Are you possible to cheat on your woman?

Valja: I didn´t cheated on any of my women. It´s important to me that my women don´t think that I am a bastard. It´s my position.

Olga: So it´s your principle?

Valja: Yes it´s my principle.

Olga ITM: All the men are saying it. I mean really ALL! I don´t know even one man who would come to me and say, oh you know what I am gonna cheat on you.

Olga said that she believes that man who are not cheating exists. She really believes in it.

She is touching his flower and is saying that because of her there is dirt on his shirt and Valja is answering: Oh that´s ok you can wash it then.

Olga ITM: Yes of course I am gonna wash right away. (sarcasm)

He is asking her if she can cook, and wash and iron clothes.

She answered that she can wash and cook but she hates it to iron clothes.

Ok at that point I can´t tell you if he is joking. I mean he is joking but it gives me the vibe that there is truth in it.

He is saying to her that then he will do the iron thing as an exception.

Valja: Are you a good wife what do you think?

Olga: I think I am a very good wife as a woman. My opinion.

Valja: Your mum told the same about you.

Olga: My mum told it?! Well my mum you would lie. She loves me but she is also my hardest critic.

Valja ITM: I tried to kinda find out what her mum told her but Olga didn´t said anything.

Olga´s mum decided to visit the men at the mansion. She said that she didn´t expected to see Denis because she thought he will be gone for his date.
She is talking about Olga´s choice for the date. She said that it was unexpected for her because she thought that Olga would chose Evgeny.

Sasha: I thought that you influenced her choice.

Mum: No guys I am gonna repeat it again you don´t need to impress me. Because it´s Olga´s choice.

Mum ITM: I had today an amazing day because Olja was not in the mansion and I finally had the chance to talk to the guys personally from eye to eye.

Because Denis needs to leave she decided to speak to him first.

Mum: I wasn´t ready for a talk with Denis because I thought he will not be there but I was pleasantly surprised by our conversation. It turned out pretty well.

Mum: You know it´s maybe strange but right from the start you seemed to me clear/bright. So I only have some, I would say uncomfortable questions for you.

Denis: I am ready.

Mum: So you are ready for them?

Mum ITM: He was very nervous to talk to me and I found it strange because I had an impression of him that he is a confident person.

Mum: You said something about experience so I understood it that you already had a family?

Denis: I had a family and I have a miracle son.

Mum: How old is he?

Denis: He is six years old.

Mum: Six years, wonderful. I know men are dreaming about a son.

Denis: Yes I am really happy about it.

Mum ITM: He is very proud that he has a son. Because when he is talking about him his eyes are shining. And I understood that he is not the man who only pays alimony.

Mum: Can you tell me please if it´s not to soon for a new serious relationship. If there are still old wounds there.

Denis: That´s what I wanted to ask you as well.

Denis: No I am over it. I was miserable but I am over it.

Mum: You was miserable well you have that in common with Olja.

Denis: Now it`s like I was born again. It changed me a lot.

Mum: Are you sure that the direction in that you changed is a positive one. Because sometimes…

Denis: Of course I am sure, 100%. I let go of my bad habits.

Mum: That´s a good thing.

Denis: I started my own successful business.

Mum ITM: He convinced me that he is over his marriage. And that is important.

Mum: Just do everything like you did it before. You are on the right path.

Denis: I am gonna do my best to be real.

Mum: Good luck to you. Yes be that. Stay yourself. Listen to your heart.

Denis: I want to take advantage of the fact that it´s like vacation for her and I want to make her happy and give her moments of happiness.

Mum: And believe me she is happy right now. And I am thankful for that to all the guys and especially to you.

Denis: Thank you.

Mum: Thank you. Good luck!

Mum ITM: To go on a date at the second place is difficult so I am wishing him that he can stay during the date as positive and calm as he was when we first met.

Back to Evgeny, Sasha and Sergej. They talking that the atmosphere is so relaxed and everyone is at ease. And Sergej is saying that it´s because Valja is not with them.

Ok we are back at the date with Olga and Valja. They are standing on the yacht and in that moment Olga is asking Valja: „What do you think does Denis really likes me?“

Valja: „I don´t wann talk about him now.“

Olga ITM: And he repeated like 100 times that he does´t want to let me go to Denis and said why. He said because you like him a lot.

Olga: Do you like me?

Valja: Yes I like you. I am feeling comfortable with you. Earlier you were more like a superstar to me. I am asking myself why I didn´t kissed you already.

Olga ITM: He tried to seduce me. He was polite but he was telling me that he wants to grab me by ma hair and kiss me.

Valja: You know I would wish to draw the rest of the guys in the ocean.

Olga: No please don´t do it.

Olga ITM: It´s not like I was afraid but he has a very strong male energetic about him.

They went swimming and nothing interesting was said anymore till the end of part 1.

Sprite wrote:Episode 5, part 2.

And we are right back at the mansion with mama grilling the rest of the guys and she pulls Sergei aside for a chat. I think she thinks he is a little vain. Meanwhile, Evgeny and Sasha are having a laugh and Olga is not thrilled in her ITM. I think she is talking about the guys as a group.

Bach on the boat, Valja is rubbing her arm and they are chatting. He is also nuzzling her shoulder. She is laughing while he is doing it, but in the ITM she is not looking thrilled. I wish I knew what was going on! They are back on the dock and she seems to be flirting and blushing. She leaves and he is doing ITM's. They both seemed pretty happy, but it wasn't magical like it had been with Denis. Valja says he doesn't want mama mad so he brings her flowers when he gets back to the mansion.

Mama is still talking to everyone, but she seems to be talking about Valja and again, not so impressed IMO when in her ITM. She takes him to talk. What was she going on about with him?
Again not impressed and he was making that digging himself a hole sign again. I take it things didn't quite go so well. He is doing a lot of talking and from mama I mostly hear hmmm, hmmm.

Back to the guys...Sacha, Evgeny and Sergei...chatting and having a drink....meanwhile, there is Denis waiting for Olga with some flowers. I think he is talking about why he got her the white roses...the symbolism behind them. Man he looks beet red. He calls her his princess and she is all smiles and happy. He pulls something out of his pocket for her and they are whispering a bit and she is laughing. It looks like some kind of candy. She is doing an ITM after and she seems a bit uncomfortable, overwhelmed maybe. They continue walking and he picks her up and carries her and she is squealing, but I still don't think she is happy about this. I think she is saying he is trying too hard and it's too much or is she comparing the two dates? This is when I wish I understood Russian.

He is telling her something about his talk with her mother and then he takes her to some restaurant where the owner/cook is talking about making them a traditional Italian pasta. He is giving Olga a lesson and she and Denis are cooking together to make the pasta. She seems to be really enjoying it. After they are finished they go outside and eat their delicious looking pasta. They are holding hands and they are talking. She said something about not knowing what she would do if she was in his situation. What was that all about? And then I think she mentioned something about Valja? Is she still testing him? Also, was she asking how she comes across or did when they first me? Strog...strict/serious? I think she seemed surprised that she came across that way? She sees herself as more vulnerable? Not sure about that, but that was my impression of their talk. They seemed very serious. After, he gives her a couple of kisses on the cheek and continues to rub her hands/arms. She is all smiles and very gentle, practically blushing the whole time. Slatka...sweet comes up again. He is doing am ITM the next day and the music is very romantic, soaring in spots and he is talking about the history of their love? … perhaps as this is something they can look back upon? Back to their date and he is kissing her  hand again and the same romantic music comes on. You know the type...that is at the end of every romantic movie when the couple finally realise they are meant to be and make their way into the sunset? And cut...

Olga gives a short ITM and we are with Marina talking to the remaining guys. She is asking them about taking the money instead of Olga. It seems to be up to a million rubles which is less than $20,000 Canadian.

Evgeny is first to go see Olga. I think she is asking him about stuff going on between the guys....that Valja told her about.

I have to say that I really enjoy how the cocktail party is done here. There is no interrupting, no fighting for time, because they all know that they will have time to talk to her. Plus, Olga can explain to them exactly why she is letting them go or if she has any concerns. Very civil. Not crazy town like the American versions.

Back to Evgeny and Olga. She seems to be looking for PRAVDU...truth. She must have heard something about how the guys are behaving and seems to be grilling him. She could care less about poor Evgeny, she just wants him to spill the beans. She is apparently so distracted by what he has told her, she even allows him to give her a kiss on the cheek without recoiling!

Next up Sergei. Again Valentine's name is coming up. He must have thrown some of the other guys under the bus during their date. Olga is grilling Sergei also. That was much shorter. Zero chemistry/interest from either of them. Seriously, why he is he still there.

Sasha is up. The shine seems to be off from him. She is grilling him like she did with the previous two. I want to know what she is going on about with all of them! And Valja comes up again. Was he a little tattle tale during their date? We don't get to see him leaving.

There is Denis with more flowers. This time it's hydrangeas. Unlike the previous guys who she had sitting with the table between them, she is standing up with him and leaning on the railing....and smiling and laughing. Oh, that Denis is smooth. Still, she brings up Valentine again and Denis is like STA...what? She is still looking for info and he is not happy. He clearly doesn't want to discuss this, but she is getting emotional and starts crying about her ZIVOT...life. He tells her to SLUSAJ I NE PLACI...listen and don't cry as he wipes away a tear. Then he explains something and she calms down. He gives her a light hug and she moves in for more. He is the only one she really had a conversation with rather than grilling him. He is the only one she allowed herself to be emotional with and he is the only one she really seems to be able to relax with...even though I think he kind of makes her crazy at times. Even in her ITM she is smiling when she talks about him.

Denis is back with the guys and Marina asks him something... I think about his time with Olga...and he just zips his lip. Valja is sent up to Olga next. Marina asks the guys something about him and it is clear that the guys...other than Denis...don't like him.

Back with Valja and Olga and the table is back in place between them and she is once again in drill sergeant mode grilling him. She is telling him something Sasha and Sergei have said. He seems to disagree and seems to want to stay. I think she says she doesn't know who to believe. They are going at it and he just gets up and leaves.

We are back with Marina and the guys and Valja is coming back. He is taking off his jacket and starts walking over to Sasha and is saying something. Next thing I see is it looks like Sasha is throwing a fist and all hell breaks loose. Perfect place to cut the episode.

So this episode just made it clear that Denis is the winner. He kind of makes her crazy, but he makes her laugh, they seem to be able to have serious discussions, she listens to him. He is the only one she seems to relax with and get emotional with and he is the one she is the most physical with. F1. The end.

Astrobach wrote:Thanks @Sprite and @natik
Hope we are NOT overdoing it with the recap but here are my notes on the Episode 5 1st part.

Bachelorette Russia Notes #5

Napoli. So we see the men arriving to their villa with outstanding view on the Vesuvius. They have also brought some Margerita pizzas, the original local treat.
We see them as they enjoy some limoncello on an outside patio as Olga makes her entrance. She seems happy, relaxed and glad to see them. Denis talks about his dream and you can tell that Valja is misunderstanding and then not liking that he shares these personal details. This guy has more than principles. He is UPTIGHT as hell. Some manners and principles are commendable but it looks like more and more it is taken to extreme and I’m not sure what he is trying to prove.  
You can count of Evgeny to bring it back to himself and also make silly jokes. But he also goes out to get some gifts he has prepared for Olga. He politely asks Sasha to move so he can present her with the gifts by sitting beside her. And Sasha is clearly very reluctant to do so. Another point DOWN for him, he has no manners and zero sense of social interactions. It’s all about him, I think, he is really not used to be in such an environment where he is not the center of attention and he has REAL men around him and he looks most of the time way out of his league.
As noted before, there is a bracelet, ( made with polished lava rocks), a bottle of limoncello, ( which is a liqueur made with lemon zest that have macerated for up to a month in alcohol, and is a specialty of the Napoli and Amalfi Coast.) and a piece of lava rock. By the way the whole thing was presented to her in a Victoria’s Secret bag...so yeah...maybe we didn’t see everything but that could explain her reaction. She is barely politely thanking him but you can tell that it’s not making the effect that he wished. She has said before how the way the gift is presented to her is AS important as the gift itself, and that notion is certainly not in Evgeny’s awareness, maybe he counts on the monetary value more than that’s what a gift can mean. But we digress. And Sasha take his seat back beside her.
Then of course we see Walja reacting to the ‘Millionnaire’ giving gifts...he is clearly making negative comments.
But now Olga is introducing her Mama, that came to join her and get to meet the guys. They joke around as they meet and she seems really natural with the men.
They are then in the kitchen where she puts them to task in cooking a meal for Olga. There is a superb kitchen where a beautiful array of produce is laid on the table. There is a main dish, side dish of vegetables, a salad and dessert that needs to be made for her.
They select what they wish to work on and immediately, Sasha chooses dessert, which looks like cut up fruit in his mind. Walja starts making blinis by breaking eggs in a bowl, but is very clearly helped by Mama who puts the flour in as he beats the preparation. She instructs him on how to do it as Olga seems to like those that she makes. I mean she even shows him how to heat up the pan the right way...OTOH Denis is very comfortable in the kitchen, and you can tell he knows what to do. He was the first one to put his apron on as some of the others struggled with this unusual attribute...
Once the dishes are all ready, Olga comes in and marvels at these creations, first thinking that her mom made them. But she quickly recognize the main dish as the style of plating that Denis has done since he already cooked for her previously. She is convinced that the blinis are her Mum’s ( she is not too far off on that one, IMO) and is legitimately surprised that it’s Walja. She is shocked when her mom tells her it’s him. ‘ seriously’ ? So, one point for his strategic move to use her mom to aid his performance...
Sasha has no freaking idea about cooking food, he had made a plate with slices of kiwis encircled by raspberries, wait for it...in a heart shape.. yes. So her Mom, said to him ‘Please use more creativity., more love’ and he ends up with more slices of fruits presented on a plate with no real order or design. What the heck is this bozo still doing around there...? I’m baffled. Olga was NOT please as she found out, the salad, that she hoped Sasha made, was actually made by Evgeny. Oh, and to top it all, he is saying that it may not look great, but ‘ there’s a story’ to the plate or fruits he chose ( bogus!) he starts saying something about the fruits and the other... but everyone starts making jokes, and Walja, really laughs at his performance in ITM...in conclusion, let’s just say that she is not eating with great appetite any of the food. It’s sad. I’ll comment later on this subject.

natik wrote:Ok here we go Part2:



Mum is inviting Sergej for a conversation. She said to Sergej that he is obviously an attractive man so she asked him if it helps him in life or not? He said it helps him. She said in her ITM that she liked that he was honest and that he was not brushing it away by saying „no I am not that attractive“.

Next we are seeing Evgeny and Sasha. They are talking about Valja that he is an actor and they want to warn Olja of him. Evgeny is saying maybe it´s a good idea to write her a letter and Sasha agrees on that. Sasha is saying in his ITM that he thinks Olga has a right to know the true colors of Valja.

We are back at the date with Valja and Olga.

Olga is saying in her ITM that although she felt comfortable and she enjoyed the talk and date with Valja something about him seemed off to her. There is a but and she can’t as of now not point to that. She is saying: „Something is wrong, something feels not right.“

We are seeing their conversation on the yacht and Valja is trying to convince Olga to stay with him and not to go on the date with Denis. So basically to dump Denis with the date.

Olga ITM: I catched me on the thought that although I enjoyed to spend time with Valja, I still really wanted to see Denis.

Olga said already goodbye but Valja is still holding her hands.
(It seemed to me like she couldn’t leave fast enough. I don’t know why but that guy is making my skin crawl. He is shady as hell. The way he talks, his jokes and his whole vibe is so aggressive).

Valja is coming back from the date. He gave Olga`s mum flowers but those flowers are not from him. Those flowers are from Olga for her mum. We are seeing the conversation with Vlaja and Olga`s mum. She said that he is too confident for her taste especially she is kinda sensing that all his interest is based on the sexual level and she is saying that those kind of methods works only for a short period of time. So he is trying to seduce her daughter without to have that deep soul connection or without trying to know and to feel her. She said it´s more an instinct and has nothing to do with building a relationship.

(Seemed to me like she was hinting to him that she doesn’t trust him.)

We are switching to Denis. He is waiting for Olga with of course flowers (Denis without flowers is not Denis). He explained why one red rose and many white roses. He said the red rose stands for love and passion among the white/new relationship.

Olga is coming and Denis: „Ohh my princess.“

Olga ITM: When I saw him with the flowers it made me smile. It´s soo pleasant to see those signs of attention.

Denis is mentioning that she is taned and Olga answers she is actually burnt by the sun. He is sun burnt as well.

He had a candy with him and just made a joke about it.

Olga ITM: I felt that he was strange. I do not wanna tell that he was acting weird but he was too hyper and to tense at the same time. Something was going on with him.

So Denis organized a cooking date with a great cook. Denis said that Olga does not need to cook for him only if she wishes to. Olga liked the idea of the date. She mentioned again that Denis was tense. She said that she was trying to calm him down by making jokes.
Olga: „All men want to put me in the kitchen.“
She said she wanted to flirt with him because she saw that he was watching her. She said: „I think Denis didn’t thought about pasta in the kitchen. I saw how he was eating me with his eyes. I like to flirt with him.“ So at the end they made it and sat down to taste their pasta and to talk.

Olga ITM: I found it interesting and I loved the date. I don’t know why he was panicking. Maybe he thought that I would not like it. No. It´s important with whom you are on the date and not what the date is about.

Olga asked him how he liked her in the kitchen. He answered that she was really good and calm. Denis suggests to eat one macaron from each end like in the Disney movie. Olga is laughing and saying better not.

Denis ITM: I am a gentleman and I am gonna wait for the moment when she has the wish for the kiss to happen.

Olga: You are weird today. What is going on with you?

Denis: I was not in a good mood today.

Olga: Why?

Denis: I had a rough day because you were on a date with another men and not with me.

Olga: Were you nervous because of that?

Denis: Yes of course I was nervous.

Olga ITM: I can not even imagine how I would have felt when I was him. No I don’t even want to imagine that. I could...I could...no...no...no I couldn’t handle it. I am a proprietress.

Olga: You felt uncomfortable that I was with another man?

Denis: You know that format is in general not very comfortable but I said it to you right from the start I am gonna respect your choice no matter what.

Olga: Valja didn’t wanted to let me go today.

Denis: Who?

Olga: I am talking about the person that caused you a rough time today.

Denis: I have no idea about who you are talking now.

Olga ITM: Of course! He is nervous, he is jealous, he feels uncomfortable that is normal. He couldn’t find a place for himself today.

Olga: After our date at the lake Garda did something changed for you. In one or another direction? I mean you saw me since then from different sides and with different emotions.

Denis: To be honest, I am falling in love with you more with each day that is passing.

Olga ITM: Denis told me about his feelings for me. And this time it was for the first time I think where it was mindful. And for the record I believe him. I believe him.

Olga: You know there was a possibility to not appear today on your date.

Denis: Mmmm yes.

Olga: Vlaja asked me to stay.

Denis: That is him.

Olga: He really didn’t wanted to let me go.

Denis: But you didn’t listened to him.

Olga: Yes as you can see I am here because I really wanted to see you. Plus you won of course by accident.

Denis: That was not by accident. You guessed only my dish right.

Olga: Because you already have your style.

Denis: It’s our style. I am like that because of you. Never before I did such silly things. I was not the guy who was collecting all the flowers from the fields.

Olga: Really? Serious?

Denis: I swear it.

Olga: Are you not that kind of a guy?

Denis: You know I am actually more serious and calm.

Olga: What? Really? Denis you and calm?

Denis: Yes.

Olga: I am learning today a lot new things because Valja tried today to convince me that he is very emotional and now you are telling me that you are serious and calm.

Denis: I tell you I haven`t done those crazy things before. I am discovering here a lot of new sides of me. I am surprised by my behavior as well.

Olga: It´s wonderful. I like it a lot.

Olga ITM: I was really surprised because I thought he is that kind of a guy who is doing those things for women he is dating. That was news to me but I liked it that he is doing it only for me. It feels good to know that I am the reason who is pushing him to do such beautiful things.

Olga: Ok I am gonna ask you a question but I want you to answer me tomorrow please.

Denis: So you will ask it now?

Olga: Yes now but I want you to take time to think about it.

Denis: Ok.

Olga: It’s hypothetically, if for some reason I am gonna feel at a certain moment that I do not want to continue to build a relationship with you  on the project would you still be interested to fight for me there, in the real world?

Olga ITM: There is a reason why I asked him that question. I am gonna explain it. All that is a bubble, we are in a bubble. It´s not real life and I am afraid that when it ends everything will disappear. Denis will disappear, the feelings will disappear, the emotions will disappear and the flowers will disappear.

Denis: Ok I heard you and I am gonna answer it.

Olga: Tomorrow.

Denis is kissing her on both cheeks.

Olga: But take your time to think about it.

Denis: I am gonna do that for sure.

Olga ITM: I didn’t wanted to rush him into an answer because it´s a very important question.

Olga: Will you sleep today well? Sweet?

Denis: I will wait for you tomorrow with an answer.

Olga: Ok.

Denis: Should I let you go now?

Olga: It’s the second time that I don’t want to let go of you. I don’t want to say goodbye.

Denis: I don’t want to say goodbye to you all the time.

Denis ITM: If I would have that opportunity I would steal her for the rest of my life and you would only hear from us about our love story when a year passed.

Denis is kissing her hand and whispering: I am gonna let you go. You need to rest.

Translation ends at 22:36.

natik wrote:

Ok  now it´s time for the ceremony. We are starting at 22:55.

We are seeing Marina talking to the guys. She is telling them that they decided to increase the money. And now in the pot are 1 Million Russian Rubel. And she is asking if someone wants to make that choice. Nobody wanted to take the money. Marina said „you all are honorable men and I hope that you stayed honest to yourself.“

Next we see Olga`s ITM she is telling that she received a thick letter from Evgeny and she read it. And now she can’t pretend that she didn’t. She can not ignore what she read.

So first she wanted to talk to Evgeny because he was the one who wrote her that letter.  She asked Evgeny to tell her again what he wrote in that letter. So in that letter Evgeny wrote that Valja lied to Olga. As we remember two of the most important deal breakers for her are cheating and lying. She hates it when people lie to her. In episode four when they were in Toscana Olga asked Valja if he had once in his life trouble with the law and Valja said no he didn’t.

As I mentioned the guys were not isolated from social media during the filming so Evgeny has certain connection to some people and he asked one of his friends to screen Valja. And his friend found out that there was a lawsuit against Valja and his business. Evgeny received all the documents with the administrative number of that lawsuit. So he can prove it. But the point is Valja lied.

Evgeny said to Olga that actually they didn`t wanted to tell her anything about that but Valja is too provocative and they have enough of his fake behavior and his fasendes. They wanted to warn her about him.

Olga ITM: Evgeny was concrete and straight forward he didn’t hid anything.

Evgeny also told what happened last evening when the cameras and micros were off. Sasha, Evgeny, Sergej and Valja. Valja asked them what is their main goal on the project and then he let it slip that his main goal is to make it at least into the top 5. Evgeny said that Sasha and Sergej heard it as well.

Olga ITM: As of now I can’t even understand if he was doing the right or the wrong thing.

Olga said that as a man it was not the right move. She said but now I want to know the truth.

Olga asked Evgeny to not tell the others what they were talking about.

Next is Sergej.

Olga is asking Sergej the same questions about what Valja said during their conversation. Sergej said the same as Evgeny and he said that he heard it personally. Sergej said that he had no idea that they would discuss it but he wanted to tell to her anyway that she should be careful with Valja because he is not trustworthy.  

Next one is Sasha. Olga is asking him again the same questions. And Sasha is telling her the same as Evgeny and Sergej.

Olga said in her ITM that Evgeny was concrete and straight forward, Sergej was more diplomatically with his answers and Sasha was only complaining. (She didn’t like that he was complaining).

Olga ITM: You know I thought about two possible motives. Either they are plotting against Valja because they think he is a strong competition. So they want to get rid of him or they really want to warn me. She sent Sasha back to the others.

Olga ITM: I decided to talk to Denis and once again I recognized what an honorable and admirable man he is.

Olga: Thank you for the flowers.

Denis: You are today specially beautiful.

Olga: Today?! And what about yesterday?

Denis: Yesterday you were beautiful as well but in a different way.

Olga: How are you?

Denis: I am fine. How are you?

Olga: Honest?

Denis: So, so?

Olga: Yes.

Denis: What’s the problem?

Olga: Will you be honest with me?

Denis: Of course, always.

Olga: All the guys I talked to before you told me the same thing about one certain person. What do you think about whom?

Denis: About your mum?

Olga laughs.

Olga: Are you serious? You thin I would talk with that face about my lovely mum?

Denis: I don’t know.

Olga: About Valja.

Denis: So what? What should I say about Valja?

Olga: You don’t want to tell me something about Valja?

Denis: You want to know something about Valja?

Olga: And you don’t want to tell me something?

Denis: No I don’t want to tell you anything about Valja.

Olga: Nothing?

Denis: No.

Olga: Why?

Denis: I am a man I am not gonna talk with you about another man.

Olga ITM: He was serious, he was calm, he was watching into my eyes.

Olga: If you would have received some shady information about one of the contestants that would draw him today would you have told me about that?

Denis: I am not interested in it.

Olga: So you wouldn’t told me?

Denis: I am simple not interested in it.

Olga: So you wouldn’t told me?

Denis: No.

Olga ITM: He answered really correct like a man.

Denis: Is it a fantasy now?

Olga: I am asking. Denis some people told me one after another not so good things about Valja. And I don’t understand are they playing a game, did the plot that story agains him to make him go home or do they really want to protect me from him.

Denis: Please don’t cry.

Olga: Can you tell me please. You are living together. You are talking to each other. I don’t know what to believe nobody is telling me here anything.

Denis: Listen...please do not cry.

He is swiping her tear wit his hands from her face. It’s not worthy of your tears.

Denis: Listen everything will be clear to you. No matter what it’s your story and I don’t think that something bad will happen. You know it’s life experience. But if there are a few people who think that there is something not right with the behavior of a certain person than you need to be more attentive regarding that person and to watch him closer.

Olga: Thank you.

Denis: That’s it? And please don’t cry anymore.

Olga ITM: I really didn’t wanted to talk to him about those things. Because he came to me with a smile and with flowers but I was so confused and emotional. And I understood that in that moment not the romance is important to me but find out the truth.

Marina asked Denis about the conversation. He was complimentary of Olga but didn’t said what they talked about.

Marina: What do you think  could Valja be more interesting for Olga after their date?

Evgeny: I think Olga will understand what kind of a person he is.

Marina: What kind of a person is he?

Evgeny: He is more of an actor.

Marina: So what a person is he in real life?

Evgeny: A two faced person.

Next one is Valja.

Olja is asking him if he lied to her. (He is clever)
He is saying to her that she asked him if he was in jail and not if he had problems with the law. So no he was not in jail and yes he had problems with the law. She asked him if she should worry about that and he answers well you know me...and Olga is interrupting him and saying well to be honest I don’t know you at all. She said what the other guys told her. She said in her ITM that he didn’t tried to escape her questions that he answered them without hesitation.

She is asking him about his relationship with the guys and he is telling her that except Denis he is not respecting them as man. She is asking why. He is answering that they way they act is not how a real man would act. Olga said that on each of her questions he could answer without hesitation. She asked him about the Top 5 thing and he was answering that she he went to the casting he understood that the producers would choose only the best so he thought to be under top 5 would be a success for him. Olga is saying so that means the guys were not lying your goal was it to be in top 5. He is answering no my motives were to be in top 5 but my goal is you. (Dude you are such a smooth talker).

Olga is saying that it gets even more confusing. She is saying someone is lying. Valja is asking why three, what about Denis, what did he told you. She answered that she was taking with Denis about another topics.

He is telling her: „If you thinks that I am lying you can send me home, but I will not leaving.“

Olga: „I didn’t wanted to tell you that but I feeling that you can lie to me. To be honest I was in a great mood before all of that happened.“ She is saying but now that I know that I need to understand what is happening, who lies and who tells the truth. She is saying that she feels like in a kindergarten that they can not solve those problems among each other without her. She continues well then I need to do it for you.

Valja: No I think you don’t need to interfere here.

Olga: But I am already involved into that story.

Valja: Give me five minutes.

Marina: What do you think he knows that we are talking right now about him.

Sasha: Of course he knows.

Someone: We can ask him that now.,

Valja: And you three stand up. Stand up.

Sergej: What does it mean all three.

Valja: Stand up.

Denis: Stop ist.

And cut. End of episode 5.

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Forehead Kiss: What It Means and Why It’s So Special to Everyone

Something that will make almost anyone melt with joy is the forehead kiss. But why is this specific kiss so special and what does it actually mean?
When I was little, I longed more for a forehead kiss than an actual kiss on the lips. I had seen it done in movies and thought it was the most adorable thing ever. And I wasn’t alone. The thing is, none of us really knew why those were the kisses we wanted most.

I never thought a relationship was official until I had that cute forehead kiss. I even asked a boyfriend to do it more because I liked it so much. There are a lot of people who value this type of kiss above others and I think it has everything to do with the meaning.

Different kisses have specific meanings

Not all kisses are created equal. I think that much anyone can figure out. A kiss on the cheek is much different than a French kiss. And that means each kiss has a specific meaning.

It also depends on who’s doing the kissing. You may get the same type of kiss but it’ll have a completely different meaning coming from someone else. However, with a forehead kiss, it will generally mean the same thing.

What a forehead kiss means and why it’s so special

If you’re a fan of forehead kisses, you’re not alone. For some reason, everyone loves them and wants to get them from the people closest to them. Here’s what it means when you get a forehead kiss and also why it’s so special.

#1 It shows they’re thinking about you. A forehead kiss is fantastic because it’s a very small gesture that shows your partner is thinking about you in a cute way. This isn’t to show that they’re thinking about how great your butt looks in your jeans.

They’re thinking about you and how much they care about you. When they’re in that mindset, a kiss on the forehead is what makes them get those thoughts across to you. [Read: All the signs your ex is still thinking about you]

#2 It shows an emotional connection. Kissing on the forehead has absolutely nothing to do with anything sexual. Your parents and friends and grandparents can kiss you on the forehead and it wouldn’t be inappropriate.

And that’s because a forehead kiss is about emotions. Someone who feels emotionally fond or close to you in that moment will plant a small kiss on your forehead.

#3 It’s a quick way to show appreciation. If you want to make your relationship work with anyone, you need to show some form of appreciation. You can’t expect them to stick around if you don’t appreciate them.

Your partner and the people in your life know this. That’s why they give you a small kiss on your forehead. It’s a very quick way to say, “I appreciate you,” without actually saying anything.

#4 It’s more intimate than a simple kiss on the cheek. A kiss on the cheek is more common amongst family and friends whereas a forehead kiss is definitely seen more between a couple. Sure, anyone can really give you a forehead kiss, but it’s a little more intimate.

It shows a deeper connection to someone when you give them a forehead kiss. And that’s what makes it extra special. It’s a cute, simple way to be intimate without being gross.

#5 It shows you their commitment to you. This may be something that isn’t as obvious, but it’s definitely accurate. When someone kisses you on the forehead – especially in front of other people – they’re showing you how committed to you they are.

They’re basically telling you that they care about you and are in it for the long haul. It’s a very sweet, romantic kiss that means a lot even to the person doing the kissing.

#6 It makes you feel loved. This is one of the top reasons a forehead kiss means so much to you. It makes you feel loved and appreciated in such a subtle way. You may not even realize how much you like it at first.

But then you’ll notice when you don’t get those kisses and you’ll miss them. The feeling of love and appreciation you get are addicting and it’ll help solidify your relationship.

#7 It forges a deeper bond. When you’re constantly getting the attention and appreciation you need, your relationship can grow and you can strengthen your bond. And forehead kisses do just that.

It may be something small and simple, but it has a very drastic effect on your relationship. Without that feeling of love, you end up questioning your relationship and even your partner’s intentions. [Read: How to build stronger emotional bonds with people]

#8 It’s a simple form of PDA. I know how much people don’t like PDA. While some couples think it’s fine, others don’t at all. And truthfully, that can become an issue if you and your significant other have differing opinions.

That’s why forehead kisses are great. Yes, they are PDA, but they’re very subtle and even tasteful. You can easily compromise for them and it’ll show how much your partner cares for you in a public setting. And to some people, that’s essential.

#9 It’s a nonsexual way of showing their attraction for you. It’s perfectly fine to be attracted to someone sexually and to show that attraction, but sometimes it’s better to show them how much you like them without the sexual side.

That’s why your partner gives you forehead kisses and why they’re so special. They’re showing how much they care about you in a nonsexual matter. And for some people who may think all their partner wants is sex, it can be a powerful thing. [Read: 16 nonsexual touches to feel connected and loved]

#10 It’s more meaningful because they know you like it. How often do you do something specifically because your partner likes it? Not because you do, but because you know they do? If your significant other is aware of how much you enjoy those forehead kisses and they do it simply because of that, it’s pretty special to you. Knowing they care about making you happy is a big part of a successful relationship.

Getting a forehead kiss is beyond amazing. It’s simple, adorable, and more meaningful than most other kisses. Appreciate when your partner kisses you in this way. It means a lot.

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richmondrose wrote:

Rolly wrote:

GuardianAngel wrote:@Rolly I've been searching, I can't find it. I  know it's been posted several times, but it's not in the No Discussion threads. I'll keep looking.

Thanks for looking. It is on demand but I have to pay for it. I thought it would be on YouTube but can’t find it.

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