The Bachelor 20 - Ben Higgins - General Discussion - *Sleuthing - Spoilers* #3

Fingersandtoes wrote:

albean99 wrote: Re: the Wetpaint article. The Bachelors often try to make it better with their f2 when letting them go but they just can't. I think that Ben was trying to do that with Jojo but she's not going to want to hear it imo. There's just not a good way to break up with someone who you have feelings for but not as much as the f1. I'm sure there's a lot of guilt involved as well.

Usually when the one breaking up tries to make it easier, they just end up making it worse. Whatever Ben says to JoJo, there's always a 'but' in the end. 'I REALLY do love you... BUT..' 

Irl someone offered to 'break up date' me after breaking up with me to make it easier. 

rhondam wrote:

Fingersandtoes wrote:

albean99 wrote:  Re: the Wetpaint article. The Bachelors often try to make it better with their f2 when letting them go but they just can't. I think that Ben was trying to do that with Jojo but she's not going to want to hear it imo. There's just not a good way to break up with someone who you have feelings for but not as much as the f1. I'm sure there's a lot of guilt involved as well.

Usually when the one breaking up tries to make it easier, they just end up making it worse. Whatever Ben says to JoJo, there's always a 'but' in the end. 'I REALLY do love you... BUT..' 

Irl someone offered to 'break up date' me after breaking up with me to make it easier. 

Oh my I read this wrong!! 

I thought a friend offerred to breakup date you to make it easier for you after SOMEONE ELSE  broke up with you! That's why I thought it was so cute and a nice friend. Oops.  

sosleepy wrote:

sophienette wrote:And as every season we will never actually know if Ben had "intimacy" or not in the FS, and with how many girls...

Unless JoJo pulls a Nick at the ATFR! Haha- doubt it.

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julychild wrote:I suppose this is "general"


Erica's dad. I guess he must be talking about Lauren R, since she's from Texas:

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Exclusive Details: 'Bachelor' Runner-Up "Heartbroken" After Final Rose Ceremony With Ben

Life & Style Weekly has learned that while The Bachelor's winning woman this season did accept Ben Higgins' proposal on Nov. 18 (the day the finale was filmed), it was hardly the fairy-tale scene that will be shown on TV.

Insiders reveal that until moments before the final rose ceremony, Ben, 27, was still torn between the final two women and in the end, his decision led to heartbreak, crushed hopes and tears for the runner-up.

Both women appeared to believe they would be getting a ring. When the runner-up returned to her hotel, she looked like her world had been shattered.

“She was so disappointed,” a witness tells Life & Style. “She rushed to her room, saying she had to call her mom.” By 11:30 the next morning, as Ben celebrated with the winner, the heartbroken contestant still hadn’t emerged.

Ben had two weeks to spend in Jamaica with the final three contestants, who stayed at the Sandals Ochi Beach Resort. And by the time he was finished with the overnight Fantasy Suite dates at the Royal Plantation, he had fallen hard for two of them.

On the morning before the final rose ceremony, Ben was overheard raving about his special last date — with the runner- up! “He said it was awesome and he had never seen that side of her,” says a source. “He said he didn’t know who he was going to choose.”

But then he headed off for his final date with the eventual winner on a secluded beach called Laughing Waters. There, they embraced and made out, a witness tells Life & Style. “Ben looked like he was in love with both women,” another source says.

Nearly three months later, Ben is still coming to terms with how the final days went down. “Looking back now,” he recently told Life & Style, “it was hard and there’s not always a clear answer for [what’s] right and wrong.” But, he added, “I have to be confident in my decision. I have to be confident.”

sophienette wrote:

sophienette wrote:I am opened to anybody trying any possible way   Not sure when i will as currently at work ( )

Lucas wrote:In the preview we saw Ben make a phone call to a woman's voice saying ^Hello^ and there's been some speculation about who Ben was talking to. Sophie posted that she analyzed the voice and concluded it was Ben's Mother, and I agree. So here's my analysis and something all of us can use to make our own conclusions.

In this audio clip

we hear a woman's voice say:

^Hello^ <> ^I wondered if they were going to make your job a tough one^

(I'm using the same method to identify edits as before).

The word ^Hello^ came from a YouTube video of the preview (the unknown voice) and the words ^I wondered if they were going to make your job a tough one^ came from a YouTube video of Episode 1 when Ben calls his parents after meeting all the ladies and that's his mother talking.

IMO this is the same voice - and just as he called his parents after he met all the ladies, he calls them again just before he proposes to his F1.

veg_out wrote:b.) they are starting to ramp up a campaign for JoJo as Bachelorette. I'm noticing that the emphasis on the articles focuses on the heartbroken F2. Another great sleuth of old commented that the tabloids, though often salacious and slanderous, spun stories out of at least one thread of truth.

veg_out wrote:Thanks, blu, for posting that article. This wave of tabloids makes me wonder if a.) they are trying to offset the "obviousness" of Ben+Lauren in the upcoming episodes, which might cause viewers to tune out, oddly enough; b.) they are starting to ramp up a campaign for JoJo as Bachelorette. I'm noticing that the emphasis on the articles focuses on the heartbroken F2. Another great sleuth of old commented that the tabloids, though often salacious and slanderous, spun stories out of at least one thread of truth.

I do feel for Ben, too. By elevating JoJo as the blindsided woman, they are inevitably casting him in a less-than-perfect light, IMO. I hope it's not as bad as it reads.