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JoJo Fletcher - Jordan Rodgers - FAN Forum - Discussion - #20

I've said it all along... he can be in Kirk Herbstreit's position some day. #1 analyst on the channel. Gets all the good games and the national championship. I wouldn't be surprised if Jordan doesn't do more bowl games this year.

Cash Pad can be filmed from February through June. JoJo has said they do all their decision making and prep work weeks in advance. They can check out properties on his days off during football season, make their decisions on what properties to do and JoJo can work on the design aspect while he is footballing.

Of course, next year, wedding will be in there some time as well!

Bachelorette 15 - Hannah Brown - Tyler Cameron - FAN Forum #4 - SLEUTHING SPOILERS

Tyler’s quasi platonic F2 IG tribute to Hannah now literally has more likes than Colton’s fist loved up, post show tribute to Cassie.

as far as I know, that was the previous most liked Bachelor post of all time, I think? Making this one #1? Like what?!

Bachelorette 15 - Hannah Brown - July 29 & 30 - Finale - Sleuthing Spoilers #3

locoforbach wrote:Thank goodness this season is over. IMO worst B'ette ever. It was all about Hannah embracing her Inner Woman Power. She did this by mounting every guy she could, demeaning people when they didn't treat her exactly as she expected, keeping a manipulative/controlling guy around for weeks, and boasting about having sex with someone who was not her F1. None of that was mature to me.

I don't go on SM so don't know all the ins and outs of what Jed did. He lied and covered up a "girlfriend" he had prior to the show. Did we ever believe he wasn't on the show for exposure??

Now Hannah asks Tyler out?? After he has watched her declare love to Jed AND loudly and proudly announce she slept with Peter FOUR times.

My advice for Hannah in the future:
#1 Lead with conversation; mutual, not just yourself and what you need.
#2 Learn from past mistakes.
#3 Your needs are important but in a relationship both should be equal. Be considerate and conscientious.
#4 Sex and Love - two VERY different things. Know the difference.
#5 Leave Tyler alone. He doesn't need to be your rebound or used so that you stay relevant on SM.

Sorry, I am not usually negative but this season left such a bad taste in my mouth. In the end I found myself liking most of the men better than Hannah. My apologies because I am sure she is a nice person, she just needs to get a clue and grow up a bit.

@locoforbach
Thank you for perfectly expressing my thoughts and feelings. I was really pained to see him last nite after having to watch how absolutely in love she was with Jed. I found it gut-wrenching and I am truly just annoyed by the sentiment that he should just chin up and accept her complete and utter foolishness and take her back and be proud. Well, he shouldn’t, IMO. He doesn’t need her, I hope he doesn’t trust her and to me that knowledge was written all over him. She trapped him with that stupid drink offer. He was too polite to say no but, his theme as Bachelor will be - “looking for a girl who will put me first”.

Hannah does NOT deserve Tyler, period. To allow him to get a ring and come prepared with the most beautiful and heartfelt proposal and then choose that Jackazz after hurting and embarrassing Tyler like that on national tv. It was so obvious to anyone who was objective, she still wasn’t willing to leave Jed until it was made clear to her by SM that she would be considered the biggest fool ever if she didn’t. So on the topic of her courage, she has none. She’s just a fool trying to save face. I hope Tyler is done bailing her sorry azz out of the mess she’s made because she deserves to live with it and learn from it. And his mom, was just playing the role the producers prescribed. I don’t believe any mother would want that foolish girl for her son. All IMO.

Bachelorette 15 - Hannah Brown - Media - SM - Sleuthing Spoilers #9

ReneeM wrote:Remember last night when Jed was pretending to still be in love with Hannah? What a freaking loser. Jmo.

This ^^^ This is the part I am most interested in. Does Hannah not see his disinterest? Not recognize it? Just assume she has to carry all her relationships? Takes what she can get from her #1 guy? Watching it back did she not see it? Couldn't see it? The viewing public saw it and has been calling him out on it for weeks. I don't get it. IMO. Peter, Tyler, Mike, Garrett, and even Luke expressed more interest in her than what was shown on TV.

She made a comment that she thought he loved her and I was like, hmmm, really girl? I hope her growth is also looking at her "lift" in relationships -- what she should expect from a partner. Maybe there was too much distress and humiliation to bring that up in addition to everything else she had to endure. Or, she just wanted to get the show and Jed over with. All IMO

Bachelorette 15 - Hannah Brown - July 29 & 30 - Finale - Sleuthing Spoilers #3

Thank goodness this season is over. IMO worst B'ette ever. It was all about Hannah embracing her Inner Woman Power. She did this by mounting every guy she could, demeaning people when they didn't treat her exactly as she expected, keeping a manipulative/controlling guy around for weeks, and boasting about having sex with someone who was not her F1. None of that was mature to me.

I don't go on SM so don't know all the ins and outs of what Jed did. He lied and covered up a "girlfriend" he had prior to the show. Did we ever believe he wasn't on the show for exposure??

Now Hannah asks Tyler out?? After he has watched her declare love to Jed AND loudly and proudly announce she slept with Peter FOUR times.

My advice for Hannah in the future:
#1 Lead with conversation; mutual, not just yourself and what you need.
#2 Learn from past mistakes.
#3 Your needs are important but in a relationship both should be equal. Be considerate and conscientious.
#4 Sex and Love - two VERY different things. Know the difference.
#5 Leave Tyler alone. He doesn't need to be your rebound or used so that you stay relevant on SM.

Sorry, I am not usually negative but this season left such a bad taste in my mouth. In the end I found myself liking most of the men better than Hannah. My apologies because I am sure she is a nice person, she just needs to get a clue and grow up a bit.

Bachelorette 15 - Hannah Brown - Tyler Cameron - FAN Forum #4 - SLEUTHING SPOILERS

Just Looking wrote:I keep reading RS articles and he seems absolutely sure that
1. Hannah chose Jed and got engaged
2. The broke up
3. No reconciliation with Jed
4 Hannah and Tyler definitely not together and haven’t seen each other since Greece
It’s very difficult for me to get excited about Hannah and Tyler

There are times that RS does not know everything and this just might be one of them.

I do believe #1, #2 and #3 are correct.

For me, #4 is way up in the air. Quite possibly they haven't seen each other but there was at least 24 hours both were MIA from SM and they were in the same city. Questionable to me.

RS doesn't believe SM tells a story. It has been proven many times, that SM has foreshadowed things that have happened in BN. Why not this time as well?

Not much longer til we know.

At the end of this, I just hope both of them are happy whether it be together or apart.

IMO

Bachelorette 15 - Hannah Brown - Media - SM - Sleuthing Spoilers #9

it seems that 99.99% think he lied to Hannah.

I know it is stretchy but I am putting this out here because so far I did not see formal proof of anything. It is Haley versus Haley right now.

- is is possible that the note he left to Haley was from another trip? See you at the dock. Dock means boat no?
- is it possible that Jed left single at the premiere and not in a relationship because he told Haley it was over when he will fly to LA? And is it possible that Haley never wanted to accept the breakup and got so upset/desperate that she create this People mag excuse to vent/revenge in public? (why people choose to trust her when 1/ they do not know her 2/ her note could have been given anytime during the 4 months 3/ was it truly a 4 months relationship? 4/ what solid proof do we have she said the truth? (none IMO)
- is it possible that he told about Haley to Hannah during the first part of the date at MTP? (I can hardly imagine him telling her at the FRC)
- is it possible that Jed and Hannah were dating after the FRC and no engagement? (on RS mentioned it, so did he see a picture of the FRC? Is one of his source part of the crew?)
- is it possible that Hannah said goodbye for good to Tyler and never looked back and just has fond memories with him?
- is it possible that after Jed and Hannah break up, they met again and reconciled and announcement will be made live after showing us their break up? (historical... engagement, breakup, reconciliation)

^^ YES I am aware it is all stretchy but those are the questions that I am questioning because I am not the kind of person who believe blindly a person who decided to come mid-season publicly because she was "afraid" that people mag may talk badly about her... In fact, why not waiting what People mag said and then organize an interview to rectify if need be? She decided to do it nonetheless knowing full well the impact it will be on SM and obtain the full support of every single woman from 10 to 99 years old who were cheated one day in their life. Sorry not sorry but I have a hard time to believe her 100%. Asking her parents to pay for vacations. Then her parents were stupid, plain and simple. Her paying for a guy she is not even living with? stupid too IMO.

Jed was an azz and she was cheated? well... it takes 2 to tango. She did not break up when he left for the show so she was accepting, tolerating and be a complice of it. Why crying in the middle of the show then and put the blame on Jed only??? Nope. I just cannot put her on a pedestal because she felt he did not love her enough to propose her and declare her the love of his life. Sorry, Haley. Poop happened. Sometimes a fling is a fling or a temporary convenient short relationship happens too. Because you fell in love with Jed does not mean it was reciprocated and if you created this beautiful romance that he would go to the show, get famous and come back to you to be the next Blake Shelton or maybe her the next Miranda... think again Haley! Life sucks. (end of my ranting thank you very much) - *use of you = talking to Haley

If Hannah decided to breakup with Jed. Was it because of SM pressure or did Jed admitted he dated Haley before the premiere? I think it is SM. After all, IF he proposed, that means that Jed fell in love with her.

I am aware that Jed is probably a big azzOle. But I want to give him the benefice of the doubt. I honestly dislike with a vengeance people who are sharing their issues public to get attention.

SM decided to be judge and jury without even hearing Jed... and that is for me a complete nono. I hate cheaters but where was the cheat when haley knew and he told hannah about it? Where is the lies if Jed told them both? Being an Azz, yes. Make him {#}1{/#} AzzOle of america, no problem. But I would like to hear him first to make my finale opinion on him ..... and move on to the next season and all forget about him!!

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Bachelorette 15 - Hannah Brown - Media - SM - Sleuthing Spoilers #9

Lucas15 wrote:
mbl wrote:@Lucas15 If Jed told Hannah about Haley (at any point, before or after FRC) then why did CH say on Thursday's Bachelor Party podcast about Jed “I just don’t know the situation at all.” He contrasted this with the story of Calee (Peter’s ex), which he says he knows about because he did some digging into Peter’s situation. If Jed told Hannah about Haley, wouldn’t production know and therefore CH know? After listening to this podcast, it’s not clear to me that Jed told Hannah about Haley. It’s made me question the whole changed spoiler more than other pieces of information honestly. He’s so emphatic that he knows nothing, as compared to Peter, that it’s hard to dismiss it as BS, because it will be abundantly clear if we see Jed tell Hannah tomorrow night (before or after FRC) that CH was outright lying and doubling down on it to LZ.

1 - Re bold #1 - CH's job is to create suspense and uncertainty so viewers will tune in to see what happens. He typically doesn't give out real truth - only what the show wants public. IMO he does know the situation.
2 - Re bold #2 - Peter is a viable candidate for the next lead so CH would want to mitigate any potential dirt. CH would, IMO, have no reason to clear up anything about Jed because no way would the show be considering Jed for the next lead.
JMHO

I don’t know. How do we know that Jed told Hannah? Is it just based on RS? It hasn’t been sleuthed and when RS said it it seemed like conjecture, as opposed to fact. CH may not give out real truth, but this is straight up lying (loudly) if he actually knows about Jed (because Jed told Hannah). JMO

Bachelorette 15 - Hannah Brown - Media - SM - Sleuthing Spoilers #9

mbl wrote:@Lucas15 If Jed told Hannah about Haley (at any point, before or after FRC) then why did CH say on Thursday's Bachelor Party podcast about Jed “I just don’t know the situation at all.” He contrasted this with the story of Calee (Peter’s ex), which he says he knows about because he did some digging into Peter’s situation. If Jed told Hannah about Haley, wouldn’t production know and therefore CH know? After listening to this podcast, it’s not clear to me that Jed told Hannah about Haley. It’s made me question the whole changed spoiler more than other pieces of information honestly. He’s so emphatic that he knows nothing, as compared to Peter, that it’s hard to dismiss it as BS, because it will be abundantly clear if we see Jed tell Hannah tomorrow night (before or after FRC) that CH was outright lying and doubling down on it to LZ.

1 - Re bold #1 - CH's job is to create suspense and uncertainty so viewers will tune in to see what happens. He typically doesn't give out real truth - only what the show wants public. IMO he does know the situation.
2 - Re bold #2 - Peter is a viable candidate for the next lead so CH would want to mitigate any potential dirt. CH would, IMO, have no reason to clear up anything about Jed because no way would the show be considering Jed for the next lead.
JMHO

Bachelorette 15 - Hannah Brown - Media - SM - Sleuthing Spoilers #9

LaineyG wrote:Proposing or accepting a proposal from the finakn1 guy or girl first has actually been done before. Maybe someone can remember who that was. Maybe that happened again here. She was going to send Jed home but changed her mind then Tyler showed up. The breakup maybe will be shown right after the final rose. That is the ending Ali is talking about.

It was Jesse Palmer but it wasn't because he switched his final choice. #2 got sick and had to stop to throw up on the way to the mansion for the ceremony. #1 arrived first because I'm guessing they didn't leave that much time between the 2 arrivals back in those days. If I remember right, #1 watched #2 being let go. Back in those days it was in the mansion and not some exotic location.

So if she does switch (and this is what I have been thinking happened all along), it was her choice not because of failed logistics. So that is a first.

Bachelorette 15 - Hannah Brown - General Discussion - Sleuthing Spoilers #3

Alanna wrote:@Lucas15, I didn’t want to lead the witness but you nailed my prediction as well!

1. Left Greece super miserably engaged to jed and already deeply regretting her choice.
1b. (My poll, I make the rules, people!) reconnected with Tyler and rekindled everything, got back together several weeks ago.
2. With Tyler
3. Officially with Tyler and more than “let’s get coffee.”

Thanks for starting this poll alanna!! Nice to hear everyone’s theories. I think #1 is the hardest piece of the puzzle. RS must have seen A pic of Jed putting a Neil Lane ring on it in Greece for him to be so certain on Black Tuesday. Imo. Of course RS doesn’t know what happened later that day or the next day. All heck could have broke loose and maybe she did offer a final rose to Tyler so that spoiler was correct too.

We know they filmed a breakup later but their foundation was crumbling from the start. I don’t blame Hannah if she was mad and felt betrayed. Can’t wait to see the fireworks.

#2 is easier because she was clearly single with all the mic drop stories etc. the flirting with Tyler imo also began pretty quickly.

#3 no one really knows because it has not happened on camera. I’m sad for Hannah that her journey ended this way. I can’t imagine what she was feeling. I am hoping she gets what she wants Tyler, DWTS etc. I think, imo, she has received her answers and is proceeding accordingly.

I do not believe for one second she walks into the afr and not have a clue what Tyler will say to her. Most casual viewers do not follow her socialMedia as closely as we do. Lol. The clues imo are there and have been all along.

Grateful for this board! I am obsessed with this season and happy I have a place to go where I don’t feel alone!! Glad the finale is almost here. ;)

Jed Wyatt - Bachelorette 15 - FAN Forum - Discussion

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I know! Because I think Jed is F1 doesn’t mean I particularly like him

but I saw him like you F1 from day {#}1{/#}

I am now just curious how he is going to present his case to the ~~jury~~ finale and if Hannah the drama will have him back or not