Re: Nick Viall Bachelorette 10 - *Fan Forum* - *Spoilers* - Discussion - Thread #7

[Cecilia]

I know!  But this thread is open.  Second plea to keep fan thread open during finale moderators?

Curious to know why the thread is not open during the show's airing?

My understanding is so that comments and conversation are in one place and not all over the board. That way it ensures heavy traffic to the episode thread. Someone can correct me if I'm wrong.

Well it's just going to keep most nick fans away tonight.

[Guest]

Maybe the point TPTB are making is that the journey (the LS) is more important than the outcome. Live Like Eric!

[gpjillianfan]

I am preparing myself for both possible outcomes tonight, realizing she could very well pick Josh. But there are two things (at least) that will keep me thinking Nick has a shot until the last minute.

The first being the whole theme of "Great Love". She has referenced this in a few of her blogs and interviews, as well as PIs. Specifically using those two words. And the only one she was actually shown discussing that great love with is Nick. It seems odd to me and doesn't make sense that the theme of the show would be something she only ever talked about on camera with the F2.

The second thing is the video montage during their fantasy date storybook reading. No one other than the F1 has ever received a montage like that. I realize there's a first for everything (maybe that was just TPTB way of giving Nick a nice memory??) but...

Those are the two main things that make me hopeful for a surprise ending. Plus of course the other clues compiled by the amazing posters on this board. Either way, grateful to have a fun place to discuss all things Nick!

I keep going back to all the princess and storybook references and think if Nick is F2, no way would they do that!  But I remember who is in charge....and look at the body language in last few clips and I get back to doubting.  

I totally understand what you mean! It's been a roller coaster for sure. Those darn editors know exactly what they're doing, don't they?   

[SueSt]

I am feeling bummed because I watched a video of some interview Andi did (sorry but I can't find it to add to the post).  She is asked something along the lines of would she do it all again and she said no she wouldn't.  Also, when asked if she would advise her daughter someday to go on the show she also said no to that as well.

Now if I had met the love of my life and the future father of my child(ren) on the show, I would answer a resounding YES to both because how else would I have gotten there (all was worth it in the end)?  Does this mean there is no F1 but just a tie for F2?  In my book that would be better than Josh being F1, but I just can't conceive how she could not pick Nick for F1.

Maybe she's just tired and also concerned about the backlash when Nick is revealed as F1...
I wouldn't read that much into it.

[gpjillianfan]

I am preparing myself for both possible outcomes tonight, realizing she could very well pick Josh. But there are two things (at least) that will keep me thinking Nick has a shot until the last minute.

The first being the whole theme of "Great Love". She has referenced this in a few of her blogs and interviews, as well as PIs. Specifically using those two words. And the only one she was actually shown discussing that great love with is Nick. It seems odd to me and doesn't make sense that the theme of the show would be something she only ever talked about on camera with the F2.

The second thing is the video montage during their fantasy date storybook reading. No one other than the F1 has ever received a montage like that. I realize there's a first for everything (maybe that was just TPTB way of giving Nick a nice memory??) but...

Those are the two main things that make me hopeful for a surprise ending. Plus of course the other clues compiled by the amazing posters on this board. Either way, grateful to have a fun place to discuss all things Nick!

TY for sharing us your awesome insight, GPfan!   

Thank you for helping make this forum so much fun all season Mura! And for keeping the faith   

[Jen15]

The SC evidence appears to be wrong.  That's Andi's room, not Nick's. We (on the cap thread) assumed Andi was staying in the FRC suite a little too fast. WOW! no SC evidence after all. Epic fail on my sleuthing.   

Go look at the GMA video in the video thread! I still can't explain the plane video or Josh's family and their tweets, but if she chose Josh after saying Nick is a once in a lifetime thing we could never believe the show again. Kudos to Mura and Mvmom and so many more for never wavering and gathering the giant list of clues. I'm finally 99% Nick's the F1. Mind games indeed!

I can't wait!!    

I thought, too, that the room could be Andi's. She has the famous orange pillow and the couch. I am choosing to believe all of the statements regarding Nick by her (whether ITM or voice over'd during the episodes - any of which could have been filmed after FRC) were heartfelt and that anything she said directly to him or to Bella or to his older sister or to us (producers) were as well. The powers that be clearly have shown us that love story, hinted at the winner from the beginning scenes of the season and the promos (I posted what I saw as those hints earlier on this thread). I always look at the pre-season promos for glimpses of the ultimate love story by the bachelor or bachelorette. In addition I look at interviews, etc. to see what nuggets I can find. Chres season, there was a lot in the interviews - her referencing Chris' body in one and wearing the clothes she wore on the dinner date where he told her he loved her in the poem - including the necklace she wore at his hometown, the open heart necklace instagram which related to his first poem, etc. This season, not so much, but it did seem telling that in the Jimmy Kimmel interview, Andi had just told him she wasn't going to be able to look him in the eye when he started guessing and then she couldn't when he said what he did about Nick. She looked at him for all of the other three. She also wore (to that interview) the dress she had on, when Nick sneaked over and she was still dressed for Marcus' date. I looked for interviews where she could be wearing the sand necklace gift, but haven't found any. Those "nuggets" are interesting, but the real love story played out is even better. Story line. She was determined to make this intriguing guy, a skeptic, a believer. How? In her own words, by developing real feelings for him. Why all the concentration on him? She saw a future with him early on, an undeniable connection (her sign of a great love) and she told us that. She even told us when she thought she fell in love. She did not use that term about anyone but him. Why did ABC include heart islands on both his/her FS date and in another video (maybe travel guide for DR?), which does not seem to be on their site right now? Why go to all the trouble to practically erase all the negative about him that was shown in early segments and not reference it at all at the MTA, plus the men didn't even bring it up? They didn't hesitate about doing it with Courtney. Why intersperse scenes in his fairy tale picture story? Why include that very thing on his Bachelor Bio as the most romantic thing he's ever done, only to completely remove the Bio before FS and after put it back on, with that question and answer omitted? It is 2:54 p.m. CST here, and this inquiring mind wants to know.

It's 4:04 pm EST... and all great points Mimi.
And why did Andi say in epi 7 that she could see Nick (and no one else) proposing at the end.?
And why would Andi ask Bella if she was willing to take her on as a sister ?
And why do we hear Andi say 'it's a once in a lifetime type of love' - twice.
And why would Andi continue to encourage Nick to let down his guard?
And why would Andi bother to question Nick about his past romantic relationships on their FD if she didn't want to work through it with him?
And why did TPTB bother to show us this detailed and wonderful LS if it wasn't going to come to fruition??
I honestly don't believe its a matter of IF... but HOW.  Yes they are going to be together, there is no doubt, but still not sure, what, if any obstacles may be in their path.  Either way, I'm looking forward to the most adorable mess FRC EVA!!!      

Hiya?

Sorry, but what is the bolded about? I'm trying to catch up. :-)

[torybean]

How will Nick complete the remaining pages of the storybook?

I can't imagine that much effort was put into to showing it during FD and it not be completed on screen.

[nutty1]

Truthfully, I'd rather my favorite be F3 than F2.

[isittrue]

It's funny last year on this board, Brooks was spoiled F1 and he really was not as popular as the spoiled F1 on this board. Brooks had his fans, but he also had a lot of detractors. A lot of people were not too enthusiastic when he was confirmed as F1 even the day of the finale. Even Brooks fans were worried that he was not F1 due to no SM clues and the fact he took a solo cruise and his music choices were not that of a man in love. This year, the support for Josh seems so much more rampant and so many are on board to drink the kool aid and chuckle at Mama Murphy's helpful SM hints... I have been on both sides now and really think next Bachelorette, I am not picking a side!

[SueSt]

I thought, too, that the room could be Andi's. She has the famous orange pillow and the couch. I am choosing to believe all of the statements regarding Nick by her (whether ITM or voice over'd during the episodes - any of which could have been filmed after FRC) were heartfelt and that anything she said directly to him or to Bella or to his older sister or to us (producers) were as well. The powers that be clearly have shown us that love story, hinted at the winner from the beginning scenes of the season and the promos (I posted what I saw as those hints earlier on this thread). I always look at the pre-season promos for glimpses of the ultimate love story by the bachelor or bachelorette. In addition I look at interviews, etc. to see what nuggets I can find. Chres season, there was a lot in the interviews - her referencing Chris' body in one and wearing the clothes she wore on the dinner date where he told her he loved her in the poem - including the necklace she wore at his hometown, the open heart necklace instagram which related to his first poem, etc. This season, not so much, but it did seem telling that in the Jimmy Kimmel interview, Andi had just told him she wasn't going to be able to look him in the eye when he started guessing and then she couldn't when he said what he did about Nick. She looked at him for all of the other three. She also wore (to that interview) the dress she had on, when Nick sneaked over and she was still dressed for Marcus' date. I looked for interviews where she could be wearing the sand necklace gift, but haven't found any. Those "nuggets" are interesting, but the real love story played out is even better. Story line. She was determined to make this intriguing guy, a skeptic, a believer. How? In her own words, by developing real feelings for him. Why all the concentration on him? She saw a future with him early on, an undeniable connection (her sign of a great love) and she told us that. She even told us when she thought she fell in love. She did not use that term about anyone but him. Why did ABC include heart islands on both his/her FS date and in another video (maybe travel guide for DR?), which does not seem to be on their site right now? Why go to all the trouble to practically erase all the negative about him that was shown in early segments and not reference it at all at the MTA, plus the men didn't even bring it up? They didn't hesitate about doing it with Courtney. Why intersperse scenes in his fairy tale picture story? Why include that very thing on his Bachelor Bio as the most romantic thing he's ever done, only to completely remove the Bio before FS and after put it back on, with that question and answer omitted? It is 2:54 p.m. CST here, and this inquiring mind wants to know.

It's 4:04 pm EST... and all great points Mimi.
And why did Andi say in epi 7 that she could see Nick (and no one else) proposing at the end.?
And why would Andi ask Bella if she was willing to take her on as a sister ?
And why do we hear Andi say 'it's a once in a lifetime type of love' - twice.
And why would Andi continue to encourage Nick to let down his guard?
And why would Andi bother to question Nick about his past romantic relationships on their FD if she didn't want to work through it with him?
And why did TPTB bother to show us this detailed and wonderful LS if it wasn't going to come to fruition??
I honestly don't believe its a matter of IF... but HOW.  Yes they are going to be together, there is no doubt, but still not sure, what, if any obstacles may be in their path.  Either way, I'm looking forward to the most adorable mess FRC EVA!!!      

Hiya?

Sorry, but what is the bolded about? I'm trying to catch up. :-)

my point is just that I don't think TPTB would put all their energy into presenting so much detailed information about Nick (there's nothing general about his story) if he wasn't F1.

[torybean]

I am feeling bummed because I watched a video of some interview Andi did (sorry but I can't find it to add to the post).  She is asked something along the lines of would she do it all again and she said no she wouldn't.  Also, when asked if she would advise her daughter someday to go on the show she also said no to that as well.

Now if I had met the love of my life and the future father of my child(ren) on the show, I would answer a resounding YES to both because how else would I have gotten there (all was worth it in the end)?  Does this mean there is no F1 but just a tie for F2?  In my book that would be better than Josh being F1, but I just can't conceive how she could not pick Nick for F1.

Maybe she's just tired and also concerned about the backlash when Nick is revealed as F1...
I wouldn't read that much into it.

 The backlash is going to be HUGE!! The majority don't see it coming  :shocked!: 

[rosesrREd]

I don't think anyone should be throwing in the towel just yet.

Yes, #teamjosh is confident, but that doesn't automatically mean Josh is the F1.

I just keep going back to the producer and camera crew being in Milwaukee as a BIG CLUE.

It was widely thought that they were there to "film Nick's segment for the ATFR." Now, we know Nick is in LA, and will be at the ATFR show. So, again, why was the producer in MKE?

Also, Nick being in LA during the MTA taping, but IG'ing a photo implying he was in Chicago. Why? Then, we have Josh in Tampa during that weekend, but posting a picture implying he was "catching up the the guys" in LA with the hashtag #mentellall.

Have faith!!!

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