Nick Viall - Bachelorette 10 - Discussion - Thread #7
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Re: Nick Viall - Bachelorette 10 - Discussion - Thread #7
Cari wrote:Sprite wrote:Cari wrote:
Exactly, Ash! I was surprised with Sharleen that she mirrored my AFTR recap. Sharleen who was always in Nick's corner throughout the season....
And before we dismiss (again) Nick's postshow attempts as "the devil made me do it" because of the plane video. (Again) does Andi know that? For me, it was very clear. Her icy behavior was due to his postshow attempts. Yes, she should have been kinder at the AFTR. But can she be blamed? i do not think so.
And i agree with StuckInSC, Jodi seems to have completely moved on. Although i do not entirely agree with Nick to further explain/justify thru his blogpost, im crossing my fingers, and think he is finally moving forward, too.
Regarding the red highlight, I could possibly give her the benefit of the doubt if she hadn't been this way previously with JPab and Eric. It seems to be a pattern any time she is questioned or is not happy with someone.
Sprite! *tacklehugs*
Exactly the bolded!
You got it right!
It seems to be Andi's pattern to be *b*tchy* "whenever someone questions her OR is not happy with someone"!
Hence her icy behavior towards Nick at the AFTR.
Because Nick questioned Andi in his letter. Questioned her decision that Josh is a safer choice. Questioned her happiness with her F1.
Yes, Andi is not happy with someone. And that someone was the postFRC Nick.
I guess the difference between us is that I see her behaviour as more of a sign of guilt rather than just simply frustration. She goes on the attack because a strong offence is the best defence and she is a ADA and knows how to work that.
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Re: Nick Viall - Bachelorette 10 - Discussion - Thread #7
GuardianAngel wrote:If not for dear Arie, i am praying Nick is the Next Bachelor. Payback time!
I'm ashamed to say this, but I tweeted Andi, the night of JPG's ATFR after she tweeted the infamous "ess okay", "just wait till the shoe is on the other foot". I had enough of her rudeness by that time, and that tweet was the final straw.
Yup.
Every year.
There is nobody who comes out of this show totally smelling like a rose. I think Ali and Sean came the closest and even they have their detractors.
I really believe that producers are the hardest on the ones that annoy them the most/are the hardest to work with. They subtly...and not so subtly...love to emphasise their faults. This season....Grumpy cat.
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Re: Nick Viall - Bachelorette 10 - Discussion - Thread #7
Sprite wrote:I guess the difference between us is that I see her behavior as more of a sign of guilt rather than just simply frustration. She goes on the attack not because a strong offense is the best defense and she is a ADA and knows how to work that.
Andi is not alone in handling a discussion that isn't going her way by turning the discussion to an attack; Nick does exactly the same thing to an even greater degree and I posted a very detailed analysis of the breakup scene in the DR where you can see how and where Nick did exactly this. This tendency of Andi's coupled with Nick's tendency is a toxic combination unlikely to work.
I saw her behavior at the ATFR in yet a different way; neither exactly frustrated nor at all guilty but very guarded, in other words protecting herself and her emotions from getting outside of her ability to control them against a situation where she had no idea what might happen. Now some reasons why Andi might have been guarded at the ATFR, especially more so than she was during filming could include:
- Nick had alluded to how he felt about what had happened in the FS when she broke up with him and she could have suspected that he would bring it up again on live TV. Of course that's what he did but she had a reason to expect it.
- By this time she could have had a lot more information than she ever had during filming, including some of the things that Nick said in ITMs and conversations with the guys (eg the dog named Murray scene). She also could have seen the plane video and heard some of the things Nick said then. She also had a letter from Nick (which she had read). Combine all of this and she really had no way of knowing what Nick would do or say. He could have proposed to her. He could have reiterated in a more compelling way what he said in the letter and begged for another chance with her. She just didn't know what was going to happen and people in that kind of a situation tend to get very guarded.
After Nick said what he did Andi became less guarded and did engage Nick more conversationally which makes sense to me; by that time she didn't have to protect herself against an unknown - she knew what Nick was going to say or do once he'd said it and that was almost a relief to her, so she was able to let some of her guard down. I still never saw her appear to be guilty though.
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Re: Nick Viall - Bachelorette 10 - Discussion - Thread #7
Lucas15 wrote:Sprite wrote:I guess the difference between us is that I see her behavior as more of a sign of guilt rather than just simply frustration. She goes on the attack not because a strong offense is the best defense and she is a ADA and knows how to work that.
Andi is not alone in handling a discussion that isn't going her way by turning the discussion to an attack; Nick does exactly the same thing to an even greater degree and I posted a very detailed analysis of the breakup scene in the DR where you can see how and where Nick did exactly this. This tendency of Andi's coupled with Nick's tendency is a toxic combination unlikely to work.
I saw her behavior at the ATFR in yet a different way; neither exactly frustrated nor at all guilty but very guarded, in other words protecting herself and her emotions from getting outside of her ability to control them against a situation where she had no idea what might happen. Now some reasons why Andi might have been guarded at the ATFR, especially more so than she was during filming could include:
- Nick had alluded to how he felt about what had happened in the FS when she broke up with him and she could have suspected that he would bring it up again on live TV. Of course that's what he did but she had a reason to expect it.
- By this time she could have had a lot more information than she ever had during filming, including some of the things that Nick said in ITMs and conversations with the guys (eg the dog named Murray scene). She also could have seen the plane video and heard some of the things Nick said then. She also had a letter from Nick (which she had read). Combine all of this and she really had no way of knowing what Nick would do or say. He could have proposed to her. He could have reiterated in a more compelling way what he said in the letter and begged for another chance with her. She just didn't know what was going to happen and people in that kind of a situation tend to get very guarded.
After Nick said what he did Andi became less guarded and did engage Nick more conversationally which makes sense to me; by that time she didn't have to protect herself against an unknown - she knew what Nick was going to say or do once he'd said it and that was almost a relief to her, so she was able to let some of her guard down. I still never saw her appear to be guilty though.
Really well said, Lucas. And let's face it. When Andi finally started to answer questions, she gave the perfect answers. There's not much more she could have done in that situation.
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Sprite wrote:There is nobody who comes out of this show totally smelling like a rose. I think Ali and Sean came the closest and even they have their detractors.
I really believe that producers are the hardest on the ones that annoy them the most/are the hardest to work with. They subtly...and not so subtly...love to emphasise their faults. This season....Grumpy cat.
I think this is especially true of the lead role. After the lead has "done their job" and drawn in viewers for the early episodes, the show has had a chance to develop other storylines that don't really hinge on the lead's initial popularity so the lead is expendable. This is why so many will comment that we never like the lead as much on their own season as we did when they were a contestant. A contestant may get a kind edit to build them up as the next lead and a lead gets trashed to build up some contestant to be the next lead.
Ali was a favorite of MF and Sean really did try to deliver the kind of show the producers wanted so they got a relativelt kind portrayal. Ben was a pain in the a** to the producers so they skewered him in not only his edit but the edit of his F1. JPG was probably legendary in his refusal to cooperate so they ran away from him as quickly as they could. These are not nice people and they will take advantage of anyone who gives them something dramatic to exploit.
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Re: Nick Viall - Bachelorette 10 - Discussion - Thread #7
So I realized something today. There is nothing Nick can say or do at this point. I think except for coming out on AFTR and apologizing for the plane video and trying to reach her those who are unhappy will still be unhappy. I get it.
While I still think both Andi and Nick were at fault, I don't need to justify or relive it anymore. They have moved on. I hope both Nick and Andi learn from the situation.
For us here, some still feel pretty angry dislike of Nick, I understand that too, I had that for Emily Maynard for a while. I just to feel dislike and hate much more freely until I realized that when I hate, I hurt my own heart much more than those who I am so upset with. So I try my best to not feel that way anymore. I don't always succeed, but man do I try.
So I wish all of you who still feel this way that soon you will have peace with it.
I will continue to be a Nick fan and to wish the best for Andi and Josh.
While I still think both Andi and Nick were at fault, I don't need to justify or relive it anymore. They have moved on. I hope both Nick and Andi learn from the situation.
For us here, some still feel pretty angry dislike of Nick, I understand that too, I had that for Emily Maynard for a while. I just to feel dislike and hate much more freely until I realized that when I hate, I hurt my own heart much more than those who I am so upset with. So I try my best to not feel that way anymore. I don't always succeed, but man do I try.
So I wish all of you who still feel this way that soon you will have peace with it.
I will continue to be a Nick fan and to wish the best for Andi and Josh.
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Lucas15 wrote:Sprite wrote:There is nobody who comes out of this show totally smelling like a rose. I think Ali and Sean came the closest and even they have their detractors.
I really believe that producers are the hardest on the ones that annoy them the most/are the hardest to work with. They subtly...and not so subtly...love to emphasise their faults. This season....Grumpy cat.
I think this is especially true of the lead role. After the lead has "done their job" and drawn in viewers for the early episodes, the show has had a chance to develop other storylines that don't really hinge on the lead's initial popularity so the lead is expendable. This is why so many will comment that we never like the lead as much on their own season as we did when they were a contestant. A contestant may get a kind edit to build them up as the next lead and a lead gets trashed to build up some contestant to be the next lead.
Ali was a favorite of MF and Sean really did try to deliver the kind of show the producers wanted so they got a relativelt kind portrayal. Ben was a pain in the a** to the producers so they skewered him in not only his edit but the edit of his F1. JPG was probably legendary in his refusal to cooperate so they ran away from him as quickly as they could. These are not nice people and they will take advantage of anyone who gives them something dramatic to exploit.
Yes, I was specifically referring to the leads. We all know what they do to the average MOT contestant...depending how dramatic/sleazy/drunk they are. Since they have been recycling, for me personally, I have only liked Sean even more after his season. Jillian, Ali, Brad 2, Ashley, Des were about even for me pre and post show. The rest...
I really do think some of it is has to do with how much of a sense of humour these people have about themselves. Hard to skewer someone when they are already making fun of themselves.
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stuckinsc wrote:So I realized something today. There is nothing Nick can say or do at this point. I think except for coming out on AFTR and apologizing for the plane video and trying to reach her those who are unhappy will still be unhappy. I get it.
While I still think both Andi and Nick were at fault, I don't need to justify or relive it anymore. They have moved on. I hope both Nick and Andi learn from the situation.
For us here, some still feel pretty angry dislike of Nick, I understand that too, I had that for Emily Maynard for a while. I just to feel dislike and hate much more freely until I realized that when I hate, I hurt my own heart much more than those who I am so upset with. So I try my best to not feel that way anymore. I don't always succeed, but man do I try.
So I wish all of you who still feel this way that soon you will have peace with it.
I will continue to be a Nick fan and to wish the best for Andi and Josh.
That's the thing though about all of them or this discussion moving on. This discussion was basically finished, or at least there was very few comments about it, until Nick wrote a guest blog for Sean and retweeted other publications that wrote about. This conversation didn't really get rekindled until someone posted Nick's blog here. People were writing about Nick, yes, but not really on this topic.
This isn't to say that I think Nick is looking for "fame" or anything like that. I also completely understand what he's saying in the blog and agree with a lot of it, but in all actuality, Nick once again talking about what happened at the ATFR sparked this discussion.
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Ash2214 wrote:And let's face it. When Andi finally started to answer questions, she gave the perfect answers. There's not much more she could have done in that situation.
Yes IMHO she did, and her answers were consistent with what she said in the DR. The sharpest her tongue got with Nick was when she said "First of all I think that's ... hitting below the belt. I think that's something that's private and should be kept private." And then when Nick "I'm not trying to put you, hit below the belt" and Andi said "You already have."
Otherwise Andi looked very sincere, held good eye contact (which Nick did not) and I liked her use of hand gestures towards Nick as she was explaining things. She "reads" as sincere and trying to project her knowledge and feelings to Nick.
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ironcat wrote:Mustang, some of us don't think Andi knew she was in love with Josh when she slept with Nick. Believe her or not, but she has said she didn't know, in a few interviews.
Then, Why be so cruel? at the ATFR and since?
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aglaea wrote:ironcat wrote:Mustang, some of us don't think Andi knew she was in love with Josh when she slept with Nick. Believe her or not, but she has said she didn't know, in a few interviews.
Then, Why be so cruel? at the ATFR and since?
LOL, I know this been but what has Andi done to Nick since?
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:Bbf:stuckinsc wrote:So I realized something today. There is nothing Nick can say or do at this point. I think except for coming out on AFTR and apologizing for the plane video and trying to reach her those who are unhappy will still be unhappy. I get it.
While I still think both Andi and Nick were at fault, I don't need to justify or relive it anymore. They have moved on. I hope both Nick and Andi learn from the situation.
For us here, some still feel pretty angry dislike of Nick, I understand that too, I had that for Emily Maynard for a while. I just to feel dislike and hate much more freely until I realized that when I hate, I hurt my own heart much more than those who I am so upset with. So I try my best to not feel that way anymore. I don't always succeed, but man do I try.
So I wish all of you who still feel this way that soon you will have peace with it.
I will continue to be a Nick fan and to wish the best for Andi and Josh.
True.Ash2214 wrote:*snipped* This discussion was basically finished, or at least there was very few comments about it, until Nick wrote a guest blog for Sean and retweeted other publications that wrote about. This conversation didn't really get rekindled until someone posted Nick's blog here.
Tho' ... talking for myself ... I really don't want to discuss the whole Andi-Nick situation, the break-up or ATFR, because that is over, past and closed subject ... and I presume neither does Nick ... I think right now, because of the buzz that his statement created [an unfortunate "shaming" of Andi] in the media - by the media and not Nick himself [since his question wasn't about the "sleeping with him" but about "loving him or not"], Nick soon after was in demand for explaining himself and so he did his round ... then came the press ... and the media is still running the story piece by piece [not Nick for his personal gain] ... because it is an issue that opened a door to new discussions.
I really enjoy discussing the whole issue of sex, intimacy, maturity, communication and respect ... in general. (like those questions from Mia)
That's what Nick's comment brought into the daylight. Unfortunately everything is then associated and reasoned through the "eyes" of Nick or Andi or Josh (depending whose fan is talking).
But the topic about the sex, feelings, repercussions, power-game, honesty, openness, woman-man role, positions, equality ... those are topics worth to discuss, maybe just not here ... since the temper is maybe still freshly wounded.
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