Re: Nick Viall - Bachelorette 10 - Discussion - Thread #7

[albean99]

I'm not getting into the whole post but we don't know that Ashley slept with Ben. I wouldn't consider Courtney a reliable source. 

There's some great pics of Nick & his mom, little sister, & grandmothers from the wedding tonight. https://twitter.com/viallnicholas28

[motheroffive]

I'm not getting into the whole post but we don't know that Ashley slept with Ben. I wouldn't consider Courtney a reliable source. 

There's some great pics of Nick & his mom, little sister, & grandmothers from the wedding tonight. https://twitter.com/viallnicholas28

Also just for accuracy sake, Sean told Lindsey he loved her (not that he was in love with her) when he was letting her go at the FRC as F2. He did not say that on a date.

[eliza3]

The bottom line is that ALL of them lead the F2 on, including Sean, Ashley and the rest. None of them are Lilly white. Since Nick watched the previous seasons, he should have known - regardless of what Andi may have said or done - that the show isn't over until the final rose is given out. If he had truly wanted to protect his heart, he could have said no until after that final rose. In love or not, we all have choices.

[umngirl]

It might be the most fascinated thing that came out of this show but it is over and done with. If Andi did not sleep with Nick knowing that she was picking Josh and he was the love of her life. Then she should of never slept with Nick period. No excuses !  She chose to sleep with Nick and lead him on more than any other lead I have seen on this show. [/b]She knew darn well how Nick felt about her but did the deed anyway. She has only herself to blame for her actions. All Nick wanted was some type of closure which anyone in his position would want and deserve. If she had given him the closure he needed before the AFFTR then Nick would of never said what he did period. When she came out with her nasty attitude at the AFTR and told him she never loved him she deserved what she got period. Andi has zero class she has shown this during Juan season after his season , during her own season, and still to this day. Posters who are calling Nick a stalker are insulting the people who actually have been stalked in real life. I myself find it disgusting that actually people would label him this way when he only tried to contact her twice as we know as a fact. Nick has moved on living his life in Chicago working and having fun. I find it strange that Andi has not moved on and still to this day will post or say nasty things about him. I guess that is just the type of person she is. I am so glad that Nick and 23 other guys dodged the bullet of Andi because she is no prize in my eyes . I have never seen a couple that people have moved on so fast from. Nobody even the media cares what they are doing . That speaks volumes to me. JMO

I respectfully disagree with pretty much everything you have said above. But in regards to the first bolded line, there are so many other leads that IMO have led there F2 on as much if not even more. A few recent examples; Sean Lowe told Lindsey Yenter that he loved her on one of the final dates. I would say that would encourage one to think they are the F1 more than the lead sleeping with their F2 and/or F3, something that apparently is pretty common, just not made public knowledge. Another example is Ashley Hebert. She slept with Ben F in the fantasy suite even though her heart was set on JP and they are considered by many fans to be one of the best couples to come out of this franchise. How is what Andi did any different? Believe me, there are more examples where those came from.

To the second bolded sentence, the media outlets haven't been saying much about Andi and Josh because they have gone about leading their lives fairly normally, only making a few appearances and being fairly quiet on SM. I respect that and think it gives them more of a shot to really make this work.  Also, it would seem they have no skeletons in the closet to dig up, therefore giving tabloids etc. nothing to work with, unlike Courtney R, Juan Pablo, and even Sean and Cat with all the "waiting until we're married" backlash and his DWTS stint. Des and Chris didn't have much media attention after the  finale either for similar reasons as Andi and Josh. It certainly isn't a bad thing at all. It's quite good actually for the long term success of the couples.  Andi and Josh have a huge following on Instagram and twitter and a very strong fan base. I'd say they are doing quite well.  

Sean told Lindsey he loved her during his rejection of her, not before that. And he said he loved her (not that he was in love with her, there's a big difference between the two. But plenty of leads sleep with multiple people in the FS. Personally, I think that's just asking for trouble.

And whether the tabloids talk about the couple or not has no real bearing on the popularity/normalcy of the couple or whether he will be successful or not unless the couple lets them.

[whit90]

It might be the most fascinated thing that came out of this show but it is over and done with. If Andi did not sleep with Nick knowing that she was picking Josh and he was the love of her life. Then she should of never slept with Nick period. No excuses !  She chose to sleep with Nick and lead him on more than any other lead I have seen on this show. [/b]She knew darn well how Nick felt about her but did the deed anyway. She has only herself to blame for her actions. All Nick wanted was some type of closure which anyone in his position would want and deserve. If she had given him the closure he needed before the AFFTR then Nick would of never said what he did period. When she came out with her nasty attitude at the AFTR and told him she never loved him she deserved what she got period. Andi has zero class she has shown this during Juan season after his season , during her own season, and still to this day. Posters who are calling Nick a stalker are insulting the people who actually have been stalked in real life. I myself find it disgusting that actually people would label him this way when he only tried to contact her twice as we know as a fact. Nick has moved on living his life in Chicago working and having fun. I find it strange that Andi has not moved on and still to this day will post or say nasty things about him. I guess that is just the type of person she is. I am so glad that Nick and 23 other guys dodged the bullet of Andi because she is no prize in my eyes . I have never seen a couple that people have moved on so fast from. Nobody even the media cares what they are doing . That speaks volumes to me. JMO

I respectfully disagree with pretty much everything you have said above. But in regards to the first bolded line, there are so many other leads that IMO have led there F2 on as much if not even more. A few recent examples; Sean Lowe told Lindsey Yenter that he loved her on one of the final dates. I would say that would encourage one to think they are the F1 more than the lead sleeping with their F2 and/or F3, something that apparently is pretty common, just not made public knowledge. Another example is Ashley Hebert. She slept with Ben F in the fantasy suite even though her heart was set on JP and they are considered by many fans to be one of the best couples to come out of this franchise. How is what Andi did any different? Believe me, there are more examples where those came from.

To the second bolded sentence, the media outlets haven't been saying much about Andi and Josh because they have gone about leading their lives fairly normally, only making a few appearances and being fairly quiet on SM. I respect that and think it gives them more of a shot to really make this work.  Also, it would seem they have no skeletons in the closet to dig up, therefore giving tabloids etc. nothing to work with, unlike Courtney R, Juan Pablo, and even Sean and Cat with all the "waiting until we're married" backlash and his DWTS stint. Des and Chris didn't have much media attention after the  finale either for similar reasons as Andi and Josh. It certainly isn't a bad thing at all. It's quite good actually for the long term success of the couples.  Andi and Josh have a huge following on Instagram and twitter and a very strong fan base. I'd say they are doing quite well.  

You do not hire a marketing agent when you want to lead a normal life. You go back to work and stay out of the lime light. So to me she and Josh are not living a normal life as some other couples are. Sean chose not to sleep with his final ones Andi did so to me there is a big difference in the way they handle the situation. Ashlee tried her best to get a reaction out of Sean on the MTA but he handle it with class where Andi has shown zero class during her times on the shows and after. Andi had the lowest ratings in ette history so the following must not be that much. All she had to do was show some respect but that is not part of her. Of course if you are a Andi fan you will disagree and that is fine. We all see what we want to see. I have no problem with you disagreeing with my post like I disagree with yours just part of watching this show. The media does not care because many,many people do not like Andi so she would not be a subject they care to talk about. Like I stated before this is JMO.

[luvlady345]

So Sean/Catherine don't want a normal life, or Ashley/ JP?  They all have a PR agents an everyone knows that Trista/Ryan have one....  I am willing to bet Juan P and Nikki have one also if they didn't they wouldn't have been on Couple's Therapy.....  I know that you might not like Andi/Josh but some of the couples or couple you do like have done the same thing in hiring a PR agent......

You must not have read or seen the ratings for Des season Andi's season was right on par with Des's I actually looked the ratings up and was surprised....

[Ash2214]

I think many people use the Sean and Lindsay conversation as an example because it's a good comparison of how one F2 handled it versus the other. With tears in his eyes Sean said to lindsay, "I know I love you and that's what's making this so hard." He absolutely didn't necessarily mean he was in love with her, but regardless, I'm sure that would be confusing to hear, but Lindsay cared for Sean and respected him and Catherine enough to let it go, unlike the F2 guy this season.

[whit90]

So Sean/Catherine don't want a normal life, or Ashley/ JP?  They all have a PR agents an everyone knows that Trista/Ryan have one....  I am willing to bet Juan P and Nikki have one also if they didn't they wouldn't have been on Couple's Therapy.....  I know that you might not like Andi/Josh but some of the couples or couple you do like have done the same thing in hiring a PR agent......

You must not have read or seen the ratings for Des season Andi's season was right on par with Des's I actually looked the ratings up and was surprised....

Yes I saw the ratings of Andi's season and it was the lowest of all. Facts are facts.....

[Sprite]

I think many people use the Sean and Lindsay conversation as an example because it's a good comparison of how one F2 handled it versus the other. With tears in his eyes Sean said to lindsay, "I know I love you and that's what's making this so hard." He absolutely didn't necessarily mean he was in love with her, but regardless, I'm sure that would be confusing to hear, but Lindsay cared for Sean and respected him and Catherine enough to let it go, unlike the F2 guy this season.

The highlighted difference speaks volumes to what Andi said and how she said it. Not going to look up the exact quote, someone else can if they are so inclined, but I believe it was something along the lines of...I never loved you. I made sure to never say that....accompanied by the b*tch face. And Sean never slept with Lindsay. Big difference. That made things a lot more complicated for Nick than they ever were for Lindsay. Plus, I think tptb pretty much left her alone post show...maybe having a general for a father had something to do with that...and they seemed to continue manipulating Nick. Of course, that unfortunate video may have had something to do with that. Hopefully that will be a lesson for future contestants...vent all you want, just make sure you are in a private location!

[whit90]

I think many people use the Sean and Lindsay conversation as an example because it's a good comparison of how one F2 handled it versus the other. With tears in his eyes Sean said to lindsay, "I know I love you and that's what's making this so hard." He absolutely didn't necessarily mean he was in love with her, but regardless, I'm sure that would be confusing to hear, but Lindsay cared for Sean and respected him and Catherine enough to let it go, unlike the F2 guy this season.

The F2 guy this season has gone back to work and is living a normal life. He does not want any part of the Bach bubble and is not looking for fame. He has said nothing but nice things about Josh and Andi after the AFTR can't say the same for the for Andi and Josh.

[Ash2214]

I think many people use the Sean and Lindsay conversation as an example because it's a good comparison of how one F2 handled it versus the other. With tears in his eyes Sean said to lindsay, "I know I love you and that's what's making this so hard." He absolutely didn't necessarily mean he was in love with her, but regardless, I'm sure that would be confusing to hear, but Lindsay cared for Sean and respected him and Catherine enough to let it go, unlike the F2 guy this season.

The F2 guy this season has gone back to work and is living a normal life. He does not want any part of the Bach bubble and is not looking for fame.  He has said nothing but nice things about Josh and Andi after the AFTR can't say the same for the for Andi and Josh.

Did Lindsay try to speak with Sean on more than one occasion? Did she write him a letter where she told him she loved him, their relationship together, and that Sean made a mistake in picking Catherine? Did she tell millions of people any private interaction she had with Sean? Nope.

He might be moving on now, but during the almost three month period while the show was airing he certainly wasn't.

[charriotoffire]

I think many people use the Sean and Lindsay conversation as an example because it's a good comparison of how one F2 handled it versus the other. With tears in his eyes Sean said to lindsay, "I know I love you and that's what's making this so hard." He absolutely didn't necessarily mean he was in love with her, but regardless, I'm sure that would be confusing to hear, but Lindsay cared for Sean and respected him and Catherine enough to let it go, unlike the F2 guy this season.

Sean was very comforting to Lindsay not like Andi who was haughty, cold and dismissive to someone she had sexual intercourse  in the fantasy suite.  You cannot compare her nasty behavior with other leads.  Prior to that she brought attention to herself by making fun of someone's accent and revealing conversations that only happened in the Fantasy Suite.  She is the nastiest lead if you ask around.  The only difference is that she's female and there was a doofus, henpecked guy who saved her from total embarassment.  The PR firm they hired should be paid a bunch of money just to make her image palatable to casual bach fans.

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