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Post by Rdjbb Fri Jul 13, 2012 4:48 pm

Keep in mind that she probably said that at the beginning of the season and they saved it for use later on. It's been Jef since just after London IMHO.
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Post by just logic Fri Jul 13, 2012 5:17 pm

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tigertiz wrote:Good point pbmax . Also , this part seems to be an attempt to mitigate her embarrassment at watching herself "publicly" make out with Arie everywhere they went. Yes, more signs are pointing to her having picked Arie.
Looking back at the time I've spent with Arie, I can't remember any cameras. It always felt like it was just the two of us because we were so wrapped up in each other.

Went back and read through Emily's blogs and she mentions Jef a lot more than Arie she also says about the library date "really ffelt like we were the only 2 people on the planet" - so I'm guessing she didn't remember the cameras here either.
I honestly never spent much time reading her blogs before and always just read them through quickly and didn't give them too much thought but reading them today I was actually shocked about how much time she spent discussing Jef even when he wasn't a huge part of what we saw on screen. It was surprising to me that before she had a 1:1 with Jef she mentions having a 'huge crush' on him. This was in Bermuda and she talks about wondering why he didn't kiss her. She had sqt with Arie also that episode but it wasn't mentioned.

There were only 2 blogs where Jef wasn't mentioned - the 3rd when it was Arie's Dollywood date which she did talk about in glowing terms and the 6th which was the Kalon mess episode (she did mention Arie coming to her room but it was a pretty short paragraph considering the signifigance so many are putting on that).

The htd blog made it pretty clear to me that Jef was the one.

I guess we are reading different blogs. I did a post on her blogs with Jef and Arie, the things she said about Arie was way more than Jef. She even talks about Ryan and someone else and manages to bring Arie into it. What she has said about Jef, you can say about a friend. Yes she may say crush concerning Jef but when talking about her feelings about Arie they go beyond a crush, she doesn't decribe it as a crush. Crushes aren't serious feelings, kids have crushes.

You're right, we must be reading different blogs. I'm pretty sure if someone wanted to do a word count of her talking about Jef vs Arie it would weigh considerably in Jef's favour. She's also used the words "I loved..." and "I love..." more than once when describing her time with Jef.


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Post by cindebugg Fri Jul 13, 2012 7:34 pm

Rdjbb wrote:Keep in mind that she probably said that at the beginning of the season and they saved it for use later on. It's been Jef since just after London IMHO.

This doesn't make sense to me. If it was Jef just after London wouldn't he be the one to get more alone time in Croatia? The best date in Prague? The later HTD? Lord knows they needed that extra time to pump up his storyline for it to surpass Arie's. Jef's storyline is secondary, supporting. Just like Sean's.
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Post by Rdjbb Fri Jul 13, 2012 7:42 pm

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Rdjbb wrote:Keep in mind that she probably said that at the beginning of the season and they saved it for use later on. It's been Jef since just after London IMHO.

This doesn't make sense to me. If it was Jef just after London wouldn't he be the one to get more alone time in Croatia? The best date in Prague? The later HTD? Lord knows they needed that extra time to pump up his storyline for it to surpass Arie's. Jef's storyline is secondary, supporting. Just like Sean's.

Spoken like a true RE fan. Lol! We all see what we wanna see. It's funny isn't it? :Smiley:
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Post by JBF Fri Jul 13, 2012 8:18 pm

just logic wrote:
pbmax wrote:
just logic wrote:
tigertiz wrote:Good point pbmax . Also , this part seems to be an attempt to mitigate her embarrassment at watching herself "publicly" make out with Arie everywhere they went. Yes, more signs are pointing to her having picked Arie.
Looking back at the time I've spent with Arie, I can't remember any cameras. It always felt like it was just the two of us because we were so wrapped up in each other.

Went back and read through Emily's blogs and she mentions Jef a lot more than Arie she also says about the library date "really ffelt like we were the only 2 people on the planet" - so I'm guessing she didn't remember the cameras here either.
I honestly never spent much time reading her blogs before and always just read them through quickly and didn't give them too much thought but reading them today I was actually shocked about how much time she spent discussing Jef even when he wasn't a huge part of what we saw on screen. It was surprising to me that before she had a 1:1 with Jef she mentions having a 'huge crush' on him. This was in Bermuda and she talks about wondering why he didn't kiss her. She had sqt with Arie also that episode but it wasn't mentioned.

There were only 2 blogs where Jef wasn't mentioned - the 3rd when it was Arie's Dollywood date which she did talk about in glowing terms and the 6th which was the Kalon mess episode (she did mention Arie coming to her room but it was a pretty short paragraph considering the signifigance so many are putting on that).

The htd blog made it pretty clear to me that Jef was the one.

I guess we are reading different blogs. I did a post on her blogs with Jef and Arie, the things she said about Arie was way more than Jef. She even talks about Ryan and someone else and manages to bring Arie into it. What she has said about Jef, you can say about a friend. Yes she may say crush concerning Jef but when talking about her feelings about Arie they go beyond a crush, she doesn't decribe it as a crush. Crushes aren't serious feelings, kids have crushes.

You're right, we must be reading different blogs. I'm pretty sure if someone wanted to do a word count of her talking about Jef vs Arie it would weigh considerably in Jef's favour. She's also used the words "I loved..." and "I love..." more than once when describing her time with Jef.

Ooof! You folks should go read Ashley's, being all over the moon and back with Ryan Park in her first one and no mention of JP for a while. Then again, she still likes Ryan a lot... as a friend.

Ben's were hysterical. We now know that he and Courtney actually were split for a few weeks in February, as the season aired, and he was pretty gooey over Nicki in quite a few of them, speaking of her in possible future tense and Courtney in past tense. This drove us all bonkers, along with those "I love Texas" comments on his twitter. Of course, he and Court got back together and rainbows and hummingbirds were all around again. (We hope they still are.)

For me, this line in Emily blog #5 spelled out the outcome for me, since, NO, we could not all tell at this stage that she had a big crush on him, but she wants to make sure we see it now.

As you all can tell, I clearly had a huge crush on Jef from the beginning. It's crazy because in one sense he makes me feel comfortable enough to be myself, but in another way I would get so nervous and awkward around him. I was really looking forward to having a full day to have him to myself, especially after the awful group date I had the night before. Jef was exactly what I needed to regain the confidence I had in this whole experience and in myself. I swear, my whole world could be crashing down and he could read the back of a shampoo bottle and I would immediately feel like everything was going to be okay.

Like I told Chris Harrison last week in Bermuda, I was worried that my feelings for Jef were one-sided and that he just wasn't feeling the same about me, especially since we had been on two beaches and he wouldn't touch me with a ten-foot pole. I mean, can anyone blame me for starting to feel like he just wasn't that into me? However, on our date we had the best time (despite our etiquette teacher critiquing our every move) and I knew from that date and our perfect kiss on the bridge that my instincts weren't wrong about him at all. He truly is one of the kindest human beings I've ever been around and just the fact that he could make me laugh on a day that I had a hard time just smiling means the absolute world to me.


In other words, she wanted him from day #1, but had a lapse of confidence in Bermuda not realizing how slow he is to this process, but got over this hurdle in London. Also, Ashley labeled JP her "rock" through her season and Emily hints that as well in her first paragraph.

One thing that doesn't get discussed enough is that fact that Emily's first two group dates (I don't count the third, being the Bermuda boat race) were the most important dates of the season because #1) Ricki was present for one of them... watching Jef propose to Miss Piggy and #2) her friends were at the other grilling the guys and she saw how the guys interacted with children. Arie was on neither date.
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Post by pugmomma Fri Jul 13, 2012 8:24 pm

jbf....you're one smart cookie....no crumbs about it!
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Post by JBF Fri Jul 13, 2012 9:13 pm

Oh I'm not THAT smart. Just that I sometimes remember to copy parts of silly blogs that I find interesting... ha ha!
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Post by cindebugg Fri Jul 13, 2012 9:13 pm

Rdjbb wrote:
cindebugg wrote:
Rdjbb wrote:Keep in mind that she probably said that at the beginning of the season and they saved it for use later on. It's been Jef since just after London IMHO.

This doesn't make sense to me. If it was Jef just after London wouldn't he be the one to get more alone time in Croatia? The best date in Prague? The later HTD? Lord knows they needed that extra time to pump up his storyline for it to surpass Arie's. Jef's storyline is secondary, supporting. Just like Sean's.

Spoken like a true RE fan. Lol! We all see what we wanna see. It's funny isn't it? :Smiley:

Yep! I'm an Arie fan but I'm also a Jef fan. I think they are both great guys. I'm just looking at the storylines and the edit. I think Prague was telling us how the show was going to end. Sean gets a group date and he's out at F3. Jef gets a half a date and he's out at F2. Arie gets a full day/night date complete with romantic riverboat dinner and fireworks = F1


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Post by Tiggerlgh Fri Jul 13, 2012 9:17 pm

cindebugg wrote:
Rdjbb wrote:
cindebugg wrote:
Rdjbb wrote:Keep in mind that she probably said that at the beginning of the season and they saved it for use later on. It's been Jef since just after London IMHO.

This doesn't make sense to me. If it was Jef just after London wouldn't he be the one to get more alone time in Croatia? The best date in Prague? The later HTD? Lord knows they needed that extra time to pump up his storyline for it to surpass Arie's. Jef's storyline is secondary, supporting. Just like Sean's.

Spoken like a true RE fan. Lol! We all see what we wanna see. It's funny isn't it? :Smiley:

Yep! I'm an Arie fan but I'm also a Jef fan. I think they are both great guys. I'm just looking at the storylines and the edit. I think Prague was telling us how the show was going to end. Sean gets a group date and he's out at F3. Jef gets a half a date and he's out at F2. Arie gets a full day/night date complete with romantic riverboat dinner and fireworks = F1

I too like both F2, and am torn on the ending. However those Prague dates could be taken completely differently. Em keeps saying she didn't ask the right questions in Brad's season. So Arie gets the date where they tour the city and deal with the Cassie crap. Jef get's the date where they get to sit and talk for hours and they can both ask all the questions they need/want answered. That means she was more interested in Jef and his answers.


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Post by cindebugg Fri Jul 13, 2012 9:57 pm

Tiggerlgh wrote:
cindebugg wrote:
Rdjbb wrote:
cindebugg wrote:
Rdjbb wrote:Keep in mind that she probably said that at the beginning of the season and they saved it for use later on. It's been Jef since just after London IMHO.

This doesn't make sense to me. If it was Jef just after London wouldn't he be the one to get more alone time in Croatia? The best date in Prague? The later HTD? Lord knows they needed that extra time to pump up his storyline for it to surpass Arie's. Jef's storyline is secondary, supporting. Just like Sean's.

Spoken like a true RE fan. Lol! We all see what we wanna see. It's funny isn't it? :Smiley:

Yep! I'm an Arie fan but I'm also a Jef fan. I think they are both great guys. I'm just looking at the storylines and the edit. I think Prague was telling us how the show was going to end. Sean gets a group date and he's out at F3. Jef gets a half a date and he's out at F2. Arie gets a full day/night date complete with romantic riverboat dinner and fireworks = F1

I too like both F2, and am torn on the ending. However those Prague dates could be taken completely differently. Em keeps saying she didn't ask the right questions in Brad's season. So Arie gets the date where they tour the city and deal with the Cassie crap. Jef get's the date where they get to sit and talk for hours and they can both ask all the questions they need/want answered. That means she was more interested in Jef and his answers.

What you say could be true and I could be reading it all backwards but I still can't get Emily asking Arie at the wall, "Does that mean we'll come back? and the deleted kiss picture from Prague which shows them kissing with their hands on the dog for loyalty. To me that's more than just kissing, it's significant in their relationship. Jef's date was the day of the RC so Arie still had more hours with her.
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Post by rosesrREd Fri Jul 13, 2012 10:16 pm

cindebugg wrote:
Tiggerlgh wrote:
cindebugg wrote:
Rdjbb wrote:
cindebugg wrote:
Rdjbb wrote:Keep in mind that she probably said that at the beginning of the season and they saved it for use later on. It's been Jef since just after London IMHO.

This doesn't make sense to me. If it was Jef just after London wouldn't he be the one to get more alone time in Croatia? The best date in Prague? The later HTD? Lord knows they needed that extra time to pump up his storyline for it to surpass Arie's. Jef's storyline is secondary, supporting. Just like Sean's.

Spoken like a true RE fan. Lol! We all see what we wanna see. It's funny isn't it? :Smiley:

Yep! I'm an Arie fan but I'm also a Jef fan. I think they are both great guys. I'm just looking at the storylines and the edit. I think Prague was telling us how the show was going to end. Sean gets a group date and he's out at F3. Jef gets a half a date and he's out at F2. Arie gets a full day/night date complete with romantic riverboat dinner and fireworks = F1

I too like both F2, and am torn on the ending. However those Prague dates could be taken completely differently. Em keeps saying she didn't ask the right questions in Brad's season. So Arie gets the date where they tour the city and deal with the Cassie crap. Jef get's the date where they get to sit and talk for hours and they can both ask all the questions they need/want answered. That means she was more interested in Jef and his answers.

What you say could be true and I could be reading it all backwards but I still can't get Emily asking Arie at the wall, "Does that mean we'll come back? and the deleted kiss picture from Prague which shows them kissing with their hands on the dog for loyalty. To me that's more than just kissing, it's significant in their relationship. Jef's date was the day of the RC so Arie still had more hours with her.



IMHO,the most telling statement by Emily on Arie's FD was when she said "All's me and Arie do is kiss and because of that I am realizing I do not know a lot about him." She then asked him "what do you normally do on a Tuesday morning."

That statement is telling because there is only a week in between FD and FRC. Emily is realizing that she knows nothing about him only one week before he could be proposing to her. I would not think she choose a guy that by her own admission she doesn't know a lot about.
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Post by IzaLurkin Fri Jul 13, 2012 10:23 pm

rosesrREd wrote:
cindebugg wrote:
Tiggerlgh wrote:
cindebugg wrote:
Rdjbb wrote:
cindebugg wrote:
Rdjbb wrote:Keep in mind that she probably said that at the beginning of the season and they saved it for use later on. It's been Jef since just after London IMHO.

This doesn't make sense to me. If it was Jef just after London wouldn't he be the one to get more alone time in Croatia? The best date in Prague? The later HTD? Lord knows they needed that extra time to pump up his storyline for it to surpass Arie's. Jef's storyline is secondary, supporting. Just like Sean's.

Spoken like a true RE fan. Lol! We all see what we wanna see. It's funny isn't it? :Smiley:

Yep! I'm an Arie fan but I'm also a Jef fan. I think they are both great guys. I'm just looking at the storylines and the edit. I think Prague was telling us how the show was going to end. Sean gets a group date and he's out at F3. Jef gets a half a date and he's out at F2. Arie gets a full day/night date complete with romantic riverboat dinner and fireworks = F1

I too like both F2, and am torn on the ending. However those Prague dates could be taken completely differently. Em keeps saying she didn't ask the right questions in Brad's season. So Arie gets the date where they tour the city and deal with the Cassie crap. Jef get's the date where they get to sit and talk for hours and they can both ask all the questions they need/want answered. That means she was more interested in Jef and his answers.

What you say could be true and I could be reading it all backwards but I still can't get Emily asking Arie at the wall, "Does that mean we'll come back? and the deleted kiss picture from Prague which shows them kissing with their hands on the dog for loyalty. To me that's more than just kissing, it's significant in their relationship. Jef's date was the day of the RC so Arie still had more hours with her.



IMHO,the most telling statement by Emily on Arie's FD was when she said "All's me and Arie do is kiss and because of that I am realizing I do not know a lot about him." She then asked him "what do you normally do on a Tuesday morning."

That statement is telling because there is only a week in between FD and FRC. Emily is realizing that she knows nothing about him only one week before he could be proposing to her. I would not think she choose a guy that by her own admission she doesn't know a lot about.

Maybe she already asked him about the other days of the week, but forgot to ask about Tuesday.

Sorry, couldn't resist. Trying to lighten things up. Hugesmile
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