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Bachelor 21 - Nick Viall - F1-F6 - Discussion - Sleuthing Spoilers

I think you have that right....she may look different at different angles.
I just don't see Lacey as being gone yet. I do see the high forehead in the [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] that Lacey has, but I do also see Lacey's side view, dimples, eyebrows and hair shape/style in it as well as in [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] the NO pic.

Bachelor 21 - Nick Viall - Media SM Vids - Discussion - Sleuthing Spoilers

beader wrote:In the New Orleans pics is:
#10 in 1st pic = #6 in 2nd pic? (shirts and jeans seem to match)
#2 in 1st pic = #2 in 2nd pic? (gray shirt and curly hair)
#1 in 1st pic = #3 in 2nd pic? (flowered skirt and darker skin)

Can you tell who they are?

Bachelor 21 - Nick Viall - Media SM Vids - Discussion - Sleuthing Spoilers

In the New Orleans pics is:
#10 in 1st pic = #6 in 2nd pic? (shirts and jeans seem to match)
#2 in 1st pic = #2 in 2nd pic? (gray shirt and curly hair)
#1 in 1st pic = #3 in 2nd pic? (flowered skirt and darker skin)

Ben Higgins - Lauren Bushnell - Bachelor 20 - Discussion - #3

I definitely think winter wedding. On Lauren's Pinterest, it's all winter wedding themed pins. I think all of these interviews are basically laying the groundwork for their televised wedding.

I loved that interview in People. They are both so well spoken. It's obvious to me how much they care and respect each other.

And regarding the US article, any couple leaving this show needs to debrief with issues, IMO. Lauren did have to deal with a lot. She has ALWAYS been very mature, grounded and full of grace about the awkward situation Ben put her in. I've always admired her for it and think she deserves more credit for being SO stable and grounded Chris Siegfried style. I think they are smart to go to counseling and get a solid foundation. I see no red flags here, and think we are basically looking at Married couple #6 from this franchise.

JoJo Fletcher - Jordan Rodgers - Bachelorette 12 - Discussion

cindebugg wrote:my thoughts to a few of your questions...

#1 the move to Dallas... IN 6 months they could have a quiet breakup and move on with their lives.

Exactly. JoJo's life is in Dallas. Jordan has a house in Nashville, a business in Chico, CA, his job with the SEC Network which is headquartered in NC. Jordan doesn't have roots like JoJo does. If they break up their lives won't be disrupted

#2 Why would Jordan make the effort to come up with a disguise in order to surprise her at her hotel...

Jordan does like/love JoJo on some level. The relationship is new and exciting. I'm sure he likes the attention she gives him. For now

#5 We viewers are a fickle bunch. IMO We want a happy ending to the show...

That's a naive approach. The show isn't a movie script. These are real people who enter into a relationship just like they would in real life. A lot of relationships just don't work out for all sorts of reasons

#6. Ok so Jordan cheated on a gf or 2 or 5 and said he wasn't a very good bf. Humans aren't perfect..

If someone's going to cheat own up to it. Don't lie about it. Some may change for the better others just go back to their womanizing ways. It's just a matter of time

2boys3girls wrote:I firmly believe that if you are an honest, good person there is no reason for that much smoke if any at all.

Exactly. Luke and Chase didn't have drama. The only drama Robby had was his ex girlfriend. Jordan's drama was about exes, lying, cheating, being a womanizer, there for the wrong reasons

JMO

JoJo Fletcher - Jordan Rodgers - Bachelorette 12 - Discussion

cindebugg wrote:I'll preface this post by saying that I have not read a single word that RS has put out this season. I have not read much on this board other than this thread and the fan forum thread. I have very little knowledge about the cheating and the only reason I know about the allegations is a fellow bachelor fan told me.

There are some things that don't make sense to me if they are faking this relationship. #1 is the move to Dallas. I think it would be easy to say that Nashville is closer to Charlotte than Dallas is. They could say that he needs to focus on his job and they will move in together at a later date. IN 6 months they could have a quiet breakup and move on with their lives.
#2 Why would Jordan make the effort to come up with a disguise in order to surprise her at her hotel? If he's only in it for the fame IMO he would only make the required (which I'm not sure safehouse visits are required) visits.
#3 How does getting a job with ESPN make him fame hungry? It seems a natural fit to me. He's knowledgeable and passionate about the sport,based on his audition tape he's a darn good speaker and seemed to seamlessly fit right in.
#4 What is the big deal if someone goes on the show for the wrong reasons? I doubt TPTB first selling point is that they might beat those 25 to 1 odds and meet their forever love. No , their selling point is free travel, endless booze, TV exposure and life long friendships and you might make it to the end. They would have me with free travel and if I ended up the chosen one and we were in love that would just be a wonderful bonus.
#5 We viewers are a fickle bunch. We want a happy ending to the show and immediately after we are trying to tear the couple down.
#6. Ok so Jordan cheated on a gf or 2 or 5 and said he wasn't a very good bf. Humans aren't perfect. I know people ( I bet we all do) who haven't been very good mates and some have even cheated until they found the one. I prefer to give Jordan a clean slate with JoJo until some irrefutable evidence comes about that he's still the player that he was(if he was). I would hate to think that I would be defined by one time of my life forever. People do change, grow and mature. AAJMHO

Fantastic post!!

Moving to Dallas is a huge step. I don't think anyone from this franchise has ever announced on ATFR that they had their bags packed and are moving in together. As they say, watch the feet...and the feet are moving to Dallas!

JoJo Fletcher - Jordan Rodgers - Bachelorette 12 - Discussion

I'll preface this post by saying that I have not read a single word that RS has put out this season. I have not read much on this board other than this thread and the fan forum thread. I have very little knowledge about the cheating and the only reason I know about the allegations is a fellow bachelor fan told me.

There are some things that don't make sense to me if they are faking this relationship. #1 is the move to Dallas. I think it would be easy to say that Nashville is closer to Charlotte than Dallas is. They could say that he needs to focus on his job and they will move in together at a later date. IN 6 months they could have a quiet breakup and move on with their lives.
#2 Why would Jordan make the effort to come up with a disguise in order to surprise her at her hotel? If he's only in it for the fame IMO he would only make the required (which I'm not sure safehouse visits are required) visits.
#3 How does getting a job with ESPN make him fame hungry? It seems a natural fit to me. He's knowledgeable and passionate about the sport,based on his audition tape he's a darn good speaker and seemed to seamlessly fit right in. IMO
#4 What is the big deal if someone goes on the show for the wrong reasons? I doubt TPTB first selling point is that they might beat those 25 to 1 odds and meet their forever love. No , their selling point is free travel, endless booze, TV exposure and life long friendships and you might make it to the end. They would have me with free travel and if I ended up the chosen one and we were in love that would just be a wonderful bonus.
#5 We viewers are a fickle bunch. IMO We want a happy ending to the show and immediately after we are trying to tear the couple down.

#6. Ok so Jordan cheated on a gf or 2 or 5 and said he wasn't a very good bf. Humans aren't perfect. I know people ( I bet we all do) who haven't been very good mates and some have even cheated until they found the one. I prefer to give Jordan a clean slate with JoJo until some irrefutable evidence comes about that he's still the player that he was(if he was). I would hate to think that I would be defined by one time of my life forever. People do change, grow and mature. AAJMHO

JoJo Fletcher - Jordan Rodgers - FAN Forum - Discussion - #4

Ladybug82 wrote:Not enough hours in the day sometimes! How dare real life interfer with board time!

Better late than never I guess! Off to try to catch up a bit... Enjoy.

Jordan's FD - Epi 9 - Part 4

My SCs

Photo #6, it looks like they are going to devour each other!

THE BACHELORETTE - SEASON 12 - JOJO FLETCHER - NO SPOILERS - SCaps - SLEUTHING DISCUSSION

SCs are Litta's
Part 2 of my updated and cleaned up thoughts on FRC....
#6 Jojo walks onto wooden planks, holding shoes in Left hand.

Original SC followed by a lightened version for detail.

[b]#7 What appears to be Jordan's hands/thumbs holding ringbox in limo
VO: Oh, God. I'm so scared to let him go"
(JORDAN)

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#8 Jojo PI. Closeup, crying, fanning herself with white papers in Right hand.
Mouth moving: "I think I"m having a panic attack"

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THE BACHELORETTE - SEASON 12 - JOJO FLETCHER - NO SPOILERS - SCaps - SLEUTHING DISCUSSION

[quote="MiaHawk"][quote="Litta123"]SCs illustrations...all my SCs.

MiaHawk wrote:SC Part 2...

#6 Jojo walks onto wooden planks, holding shoes in Left hand.
---possibly 2 slits in dress
---wrists, arms not able to clearly see
---3 smaller boats in ocean a bit closer to shore
---2 'Thai' looking boats are on beach to the right
---dark rocky cliff with one tree atop
---"generic" (my term) Thai decorations (no Budha statues like on grassy area)
---thick, dry, brown sand with lots of foot prints
---small white cap waves as water reaches beach
---rose table with fabric doo-dad on side

Original SC followed by a lightened version for detail.Then another view lightened for detail.

The Bachelorette - Season 12 - JoJo Fletcher - Social Media - Media - Discussion - Sleuthing - Spoilers - #6

Threads #1 - #5Here

Continue #6

nutty1 wrote:Excellent Afterbuzz from last night's show. I sure wish they were 2 hours! James Fuertes is on. Loved hearing his insights. Very interesting!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_z9rPvaJlo

northernviewer wrote:
Lennoxcolinrolland wrote:Speaking of Jordan, his brother Luke gave a very insightful and telling interview with womanista.com today, if someone can bring it over. He kind of gives the ending away, but then reigns it back in

Id love to read it

THE BACHELORETTE - SEASON 12 - JOJO FLETCHER - NO SPOILERS - SCaps - SLEUTHING DISCUSSION

Litta123 wrote:SCs illustrations...all my SCs.

MiaHawk wrote:SC Part 2...

#6 Jojo walks onto wooden planks, holding shoes in Left hand.
---possibly 2 slits in dress
---wrists, arms not able to clearly see
---3 smaller boats in ocean a bit closer to shore
---2 'Thai' looking boats are on beach to the right
---dark rocky cliff with one tree atop
---"generic" (my term) Thai decorations (no Budha statues like on grassy area)
---thick, dry, brown sand with lots of foot prints
---small white cap waves as water reaches beach
---rose table with fabric doo-dad on side

Original SC followed by a lightened version for detail.Then another view lightened for detail.

#7 What appears to be Jordan's hands/thumbs holding ringbox in limo
VO: Oh, God. I'm so scared to let him go"
(JORDAN)

#8 Jojo PI. Closeup, crying, fanning herself with white papers in Right hand.
Mouth moving: "I think I"m having a panic attack"
---waste line of dress not visible
---Left wrist is not visible
---no red or brown marks visible on Right wrist or arm above elbow

A couple of views.

ETA: I'll finished illustrating points 9-15 in the morning as RL is calling...or if someone else wants to join in, feel free.