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Nick Viall - Bachelorette 11 - Spoilers - Sleuthing - Discussion #5

chasingpavements wrote:
AllAboutLove wrote:This show is so misleading though.

It makes it seem like Nick is what made everything go crazy when really it's really F1 and the lead with their early "you're the one" late night sessions.

Nick is just the scapegoat once again.

This is just my opinion (as always!), but I think it was because Kaitlyn wanted her cake and to eat it too. She definitely wanted Nick there, as you can tell by how smitten she was with him in NY, letting him stay despite Shawn's objections, giving him the rose on his first group date, giving him the first 1-on-1 in Ireland, and, of course, having sex with him. But, she wasn't willing to even allow for the possibility that Shawn would leave, in case she ultimately decided she wanted him over Nick, so she told him that he was the one (when, in reality, she probably didn't know for sure at that point) and possibly had sexual relations with him too (judging from the sneak peek with Ben H). I think that if she had just said to Shawn "I'm falling for you, but I also have strong feelings for Nick. Please just trust the process and trust our relationship while I figure this out", it wouldn't have become this whole thing. Instead, she tells Shawn he's the one and she laughs at Shawn's jokes about committing suicide after spending a day with Nick. I almost can't blame the guy for being so over-confident and then going crazy the second he realizes it's not 100% him.

I think that Shawn's jealousy would have come out, whether Nick was there or not, but I feel like Kaitlyn would have been able to handle it better if it was just Jared he was worried about. Nick actually IS a real threat to Shawn and I personally think that Kaitlyn is too afraid to admit that to him.

Yup, his jealousy or (I'll call it his F1-ism) also came out with Jared just getting a GDR and he let the other guys know about this time (Joe) and now Ben H is all aghast. I just think that Nick ending up F2 and K led him there because she needed an option in case Shawn decided to leave before FRC day. Who knows if he was back and forth and back and forth right up until FRC day and so K only got her handler's to confirm to her that Shawn was going to propose the day of FRC? Other than the usual Nick owed TPTB this makes the most sense to me. (for now

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I am thinking we are going to see a devastated Nick at FRC. Just a feeling. He is fine now but I don't think he was then. #bubblebummer

Nick Viall Bachelorette 11 - Fan Forum - SLEUTHING - SPOILERS - Thread #14

^ Yup. Nick really was "all out of bubblegum". And just like he tweeted May 4th it was a #bubblebummer.

Will be interesting to see how he is edited this season and compare that to what he was tweeting.

The Bachelorette 11 - Kaitlyn Bristowe - #6 - Media - Tweets - IG - Sleuthing - Spoilers - Discussion

Stacia620 wrote:I just hope RS is wrong and Nick did not actually propose. If Nick and Kaitlyn were any kind of friends at all, she would not have let him propose.

Maybe he got let go sooner. He did tweet on April 29 that sometimes things never go right. But then... on May 4th he tweeted he was "all out of bubblegum #bubblebummer". Posted then that it sounded like a negative thing and it looks that way.

Just blows my mind that TPTB let Nick tweet while filming and he was tweeting what was actually happening!

Only conclusion I can come to is that TPTB really don't care what these people do on SM.

If they truly did, it would be in their contracts NOT to use SM.

The Bachelorette 11 - Kaitlyn Bristowe - #6 - Media - Tweets - IG - Sleuthing - Spoilers - Discussion

Pre-Nick Episode
= K unfollows N on social media, hides herself in IG pics

Post-Nick Episode
= K cannot sleep, blog is late, and in her People blog she said in capital letters: "THEY" are the one.

If I end up with Nick at the end of this, it was the right call. And if I end up with someone else, that person will know that I explored all of my options and feelings and THEY are the one.

= snapchat with Shawn lying in bed

SM really gave it away then... because Nick said he was all out of bubblegum and #bubblebummer May 4 (FRC time).
Nick's SM activity was then narrating what was happening and not misleading.
Crazy that TPTB knew this and didn't care that Nick was narrating stuff. :shocked!:
Now we know why Nick tweeted "things are cloudy inside".

Will be interesting to see what everyone's SM activity will look like now!

Nick Viall Bachelorette 11 - Fan Forum - SLEUTHING - SPOILERS - Thread #14

So for my own sanity, I have decided to put together a list of reasons why I think Nick is Kaitlyn’s F1. I keep flip-flopping back and forth and need a reminder of my own thoughts, so bear with me, this is insanely long:

1.) Nick and Kaitlyn compliment each other, meaning they fit well together.

Kaitlyn is a passionate, confident woman who does not make excuses for herself but embraces adversity with sassy charm. She has intuition and a goofy, silly sense of humor. Things Nick desires.

Nick is a bold, sincere man who fights for the things that matter in life whatever the cost. He is witty, intelligent and has a sarcastic sense of humor that borders on “salty” at times. Things Kaitlyn desires.

They share and live out similar views…

That life is better to be lived audaciously, guided by the passionate heart and sincere soul.

That certain things in life are worth risking everything for.

That sacrifice can be the most incredible tool to express love and commitment.

That you can only achieve happiness in life by fully embracing who you are… “Be You”.

That relationship is best developed with unwavering trust, open communication and candid but “brutal truth”.

I think many of us would like to say we agree with these principles, but I see Nick and Kaitlyn actually living them out and in the public eye no less. Actions speak louder than words.

2.) Nick and Kaitlyn like each other. This sounds silly to say, but it is a defining and necessary component of a lasting relationship. They like the person they see before them. There is an instant “connection” or attraction between them, which was present before they ever met in person and led to their conversations and friendship prior to the show. This goes beyond purely physical attraction. They have an appreciation for each other and want to spend time together. This is why they each missed one another when Kaitlyn went on the show.

3.) Nick and Kaitlyn have “chemistry”. Yes, I am referring to sexual chemistry. There is no denying that they have eyes for each other from minute one. Kaitlyn’s face when she first sees Nick is incredible. She is giggling like a nervous, excited schoolgirl. And Nick…well, his body language after the rap date screams, “Wow, she is gorgeous. Am I staring? Pull it together Viall…Calm down…But those lips…” Nick seriously undersells their first kiss, “It wasn’t terrible.” It was sizzling and passionate, but soft and intimate at the same time. It was the stuff that romance movies are made of… Nuff said on that. The footage speaks for itself.

4.) Nick and Kaitlyn “risked it all” for each other. Nick flew halfway across the country, put his life “on hold” and put himself in the middle of a hornet’s nest of angry guys to show Kaitlyn that he was serious about fighting for her. And Kaitlyn answered back with her own willingness to disrupt her “journey to find love” with the other guys, possibly giving up what she already had to see what might be with Nick. It speaks volumes that Kaitlyn asked Nick to stay. She saw a future with him. More so than with all the other guys, or she would not have asked him to stay. She would have thanked him, told him she was flattered but that she needed to see it through with the other guys. The point is, she did not do what most other contestants do because she saw a future with Nick. As she told Ashley, “It already seems serious.”

5.) Kaitlyn gives not so subtle hints that Nick is here to stay. She gives Justin the group date rose after he stands up for Kaitlyn and her right to “follow her heart” and give Nick a chance. Then the following week, she gives Nick the group date rose on his first week. This is huge! Forget the FIR target…she basically stamps, “This is the guy to beat!” on his forehead for all the guys to see. Not only will he be staying another week, but some of the guys that have been there for five weeks trying to get her attention will be going home in his place. That had to go down like a “thorny rose”. To top it all off, during their first week overseas in Ireland Nick is given the first 1:1 date. I bet the guys still waiting to spend more than an hour of time with Kaitlyn were pissed.

6.) This brings me to the “sex guy” conversation. If RS is correct and it is Nick, then CH is right and the “game is over”. Kaitlyn again risks her relationships with the other guys to spend the night with Nick. She just can’t help herself, “like a moth to the flame”. I simply can not see her being intimate with Nick prior to the FS and then again in the FS without her planning on ending up with him in the end. The information that she has slept with Nick twice would be so damaging to any other relationships that she might have, I just cannot see it working with any other guy. In my opinion, the lack of trust would spoil the other relationship(s).

If RS is wrong and “sex guy” is not Nick, this presents a much more interesting turn of events. I can see Nick being upset, frustrated and even angry. Most importantly he would be questioning of the validity of his relationship with Kaitlyn. However, this is the part at which I believe Nick’s tenacity and determination would pay off. He came on the show to find out if he and Kaitlyn have a future together. At this point in the game, an answer to his question is still illusive and I cannot see him easily giving up. He might make the decision to overlook or rather to look past the “sex gate” issue and concentrate on his relationship with Kaitlyn. I can see him putting his feelings aside to allow Kaitlyn to work through the process.

This would be the definition of true love… self-sacrifice, giving up what he really wants to allow Kaitlyn to figure out what she truly needs. This would be a true love story to me. A refreshing love story. A real love story. Nick has said that real love takes work. He wants a relationship that requires a daily choice to love the other person. The feelings fade in every relationship, it is the decision to give up your own needs/wants for the other person that constitutes a lasting love relationship. I would love to see him put his money where his mouth is.

7.) “Sex gate” appears to be a big deal in the preview. Contrastingly, their FS date appears “business as usual”. They meet in Kennedy Park with a sweeping kiss and (likely) continue to the Blarney stone later in the day. (Interestingly enough, the Blarney stone is supposed to bless those who kiss it with the “gift of gab” or eloquence of speech/flattery. Both Nick and Kaitlyn seem to enjoy the art of word smith-ery…if that’s a word.)

It could be that all the “sex gate” stuff goes down after the FS dates, but even if that is the case Nick and Kaitlyn look pretty cozy on their LCD as well. The SC during the preview of them in a close embrace (Kaitlyn wearing a white, lacy dress and Nick wearing a ring on his right ring finger) occurs late in the season and leads me to believe that the whole “sex gate” controversy is blown way out of proportion. Or perhaps Nick and Kaitlyn weather it well…I guess we will see how it all plays out soon enough.

8.) The ring… I feel like I have stared at that picture of Nick wearing the silver ring (seen in the mirror) for so long I could probably also see myself in the photo…now that would be convenient. The point is that in the SC of what is likely their LCD (or around that time in the season), Nick is wearing a silver ring on his right ring finger. Another poster sleuthed that Nick has done this twice before when in serious, long-term relationships, likely as a sign of his being “taken” or in a committed relationship. As a sentimental guy, I could see him wearing this as a symbol to Kaitlyn that he is “all in”. I suppose this jives with the RS spoiler that he does indeed propose to her at the FRC. If she turns him down, I have a hard time believing that he would continue to wear it after he returns home. The question then remains… Is it really a ring on his finger in that photo? In my opinion, there is something distorting his 4th finger. If not a ring, what else would do that? Not a slam dunk, but curious for sure.

9.) At this point, I start to consider the RS spoilers… which are the only real wrenches in my plans for Nick and Kaitlyn to run off and live happily ever after. Without RS spoilers, I really have no good reason to suspect that Nick and Kaitlyn end up anywhere but together. Which is what makes the spoilers suspect to me. So of course, my mind works overtime to come up with a way to discredit them completely. One either has to buy what RS is selling or find a way to work around it. My work around includes the “elusive foiler season theory”.

It goes something like this:

If I were Nick, the most important take away from this season would be Kaitlyn. And if I were successful in winning fair maiden’s heart, I would turn my attention to taking down the “smug one”. I might even involve the love of my life because we all know she loves a good prank. I would work overtime to help producers create a believable foiler to feed RS, making sure it is tasty so that he swallows it hook, line and sinker. “Nick Viall repeats history losing the girl at the finish line” would make an excellent headliner and it would be very tasty to RS indeed.

Now that would be a fully satisfying explanation for Nick’s day after the FRC tweet, “I’m all out of bubblegum…” It was time to kick some azz…and if true, they surely did.

10.) With the RS spoiler “dealt with”, the only thing left to sleuth is the onslaught of never ending SM clues….this could be a novel all it’s own.

Taking a look as a whole at Kaitlyn’s SM postings, she appears happy and confident in her final choice. She has the party line down… “it ended the way it should”. Her posts have included everything from sassy responses to less than nice “fans” (cue Adam Sandler, “Haaaaaaa, Shut Up!”) to cutsie lines about some of the guys and happy photos of behind the scene dates. She favorites quotes about her finding true and lasting love while also sending the message that she is going to be herself no matter what people say. Sometimes funny. Sometimes snarky. Sometimes happy. Sometimes more serious. She retweeted the “article” by Ariana Grande that Nick posted just a few hours previously about feminism, sex and the culture’s hypocrisy. Overall, she seems to do a great job of remaining neutral regarding the guys, including Nick. She is not going to give away the ending with her posts that is for sure.

Taking a look at the guys SM postings, they appear to have acclimated back to real life wonderfully well. They are humorous, light-hearted and friendly to each other. Many of the posts on IG between Ben H., Shawn and Cupcake are hilarious. Most of the guys actually follow Kaitlyn either on IG or twitter and some on both so that doesn’t tell you anything. Kaitlyn is only following Brady (since she stopped following Nick last week), so again this is of no help. If you look at the F2 in particular:

Shawn: He remains somewhat “quiet” on SM. Maybe that is due to his new-found “fame” and the huge number of new followers. He may not feel comfortable posting things without fully understanding how people will respond. (Many other contestants have taken this conservative approach as well.) He remains neutral on SM with regards to his feelings about Kaitlyn and Nick (although he does not follow either of them). He strikes me as being on everyone’s team…or no one’s team…depends on how you look at it. I think Shawn will be the next Bachelor, so he is setting himself up for success on SM by being neutral and not alienating any current groups of viewers.

Nick: He remains consistently active on SM. Likely, because he is comfortable having “been there, done that”. I also think that he uses SM as an outlet to deal with the fact that he cannot come out and say anything very specific about his thoughts or feelings regarding the season…yet. There is one exception to this…

And that is his support and admiration for the ideals that Kaitlyn embodies. Namely, a strong, confident woman who knows what she wants and stands up for it unwaveringly in the face of controversy.

Just to list a few on IG:

* Reposting Elan’s “How to have fun on IG” chart
* “Don’t Lose Your Dinosaur” #BeYou
* Photo on the red couch, throwback to Seinfeld’s “Art of seduction”, “Vibes”
* “Pay attention to whom your energy increases and decreases around…”
* “You know what’s really, powerfully sexy? A sense of humor. A passion for life. A healthy glow. Hips to grab on to. Openess. Confidence. Humility. Intuition. Smart-azz comebacks. Presence. A quick wit. A woman who realizes how beautiful she is.”
* “No matter your fears, follow the path that makes your mind race with wonder, your chest burst with excitement, and your heart skip a beat.”

Just a few on Twitter:

*“Can’t Sleep. Won’t Sleep” – in anticipation of the FRC
*”I’m all out of bubble gum. #bubblebummer” – Either he kicked azz or is going to…not sure if that a good thing or not, guess we will see.
* “Lots of respect for Brady following his heart.”
* “Here’s to hoping things go a lot better this time around.”
* “Makes waves…Not ripples”
* Ariana’s article
* Positive vibes today”
* Retweeting Fleiss: “Always follow your heart”
* Tweet about loving Carly Rae’s song, “I really like you”

Overall SM is usually a bust when it comes to deciphering the ending. But, I will say one thing is very clear. Nick is supportive of Kaitlyn no matter what she chose. I know that Nick is a great guy and would likely have supported her no matter what happened between them. But, I think he is supporting her like no other guy has this season. With words and actions. That is what tells me Nick is Kaitlyn’s guy in the end.

They started their relationship before the show with a solid base of trust, communication and friendship. She said in her blog earlier today, “He became my go-to person for advice.” I think that is still true today. He is her go-to guy. Her rock. Her supportive boyfriend…fiancé…(dare I even say it) lover.

RS may be right, that Kaitlyn chose herself and sent Nick home alone after proposing marriage to her. But I chose to believe that the most logical conclusion is usually correct. For me, this list points to the most logical choice being Kaitlyn and Nick ended up together. Kaitlyn favorited a tweet upon returning to “real life” after filming. It sums up the whole season for me. And in my humble opinion she is speaking of her confident man, her lover and warrior. She is speaking of her Nick:

“He was the rock in her chaos that the rest of the world splashed off.”

That should fill my quota of posts for quite some time. :cutesmile!:

Nick Viall - Bachelorette 11 - Spoilers - Sleuthing - Discussion #4

it's so funny to me to read CH's words after the episode this week. If you really pay attention to this previous episode you will get the "real Nick" I feel like I saw sides of him I did not realize at all. He cares so much about K that he has a very tender way of treating her or giving her freedom to have her own choices. he's also just concerned for her... "i am not sorry but I feel bad cos of what you have to go through.." about coming on the show and also "i hope they can respect the decision" this is something they could have edited out but they didn't ...it shows just how sweet Nick is being to her JMHO and contradicts a bad edit -- On the flip side I do very much believe they'll paint him as a "villian" when it comes to the guys though I think he'll be so weary about it I hope he won't give them much to work with

KB_Mom wrote:I personally would find it refreshing if Kaitlyn used OP's "brutal truth" approach and basically told Nick, there's definitely passion\attraction\connection but let's be real, we haven't really had the chance to explore whether there is a basis for a serious commitment with stolen moments together, drama and controversy and crazy group dates, so let's leave the bubble and get to know each other better in the real world and see where it goes. Could explain why Nick seems so happy- out of the artificial Bach dating world, it's going well.

this fits in exactly with his post-FRC tweet

"all out of bubble gum #bubblebummer" and the movie reference...it can go back to what she said to him in response to the proposal

speaking of movie references found this interesting

I always say that Jared speaks Kaitlyn. He can keep up with my jokes and movie quotes. I don't know if you caught that, but in his little poem he ended it with a Dumb and Dumber quote – a man after my own heart.

I'm so surprised that he's not F3 they click on so many levels imho! but brings it back to nick doing a lot of movie references i.e. Nick can also "speak Kaitlyn" as she put it

The Bachelorette 11 - Kaitlyn Bristowe - #6 - Media - Tweets - IG - Sleuthing - Spoilers - Discussion

KB_Mom wrote:I personally would find it refreshing if Kaitlyn used OP's "brutal truth" approach and basically told Nick, there's definitely passion\attraction\connection but let's be real, we haven't really had the chance to explore whether there is a basis for a serious commitment with stolen moments together, drama and controversy and crazy group dates, so let's leave the bubble and get to know each other better in the real world and see where it goes. Could explain why Nick seems so happy- out of the artificial Bach dating world, it's going well.

this fits in exactly with his post-FRC tweet

"all out of bubble gum #bubblebummer" and the movie reference...it can go back to what she said to him in response to the proposal

speaking of movie references found this interesting

I always say that Jared speaks Kaitlyn. He can keep up with my jokes and movie quotes. I don't know if you caught that, but in his little poem he ended it with a Dumb and Dumber quote – a man after my own heart.

I'm so surprised that he's not F3 they click on so many levels imho! but brings it back to nick doing a lot of movie references i.e. Nick can also "speak Kaitlyn" as she put it

Nick Viall - Bachelorette 11 - Spoilers - Sleuthing - Discussion #3

So then his #bubblebummer hashtag which he included with the movie quote may tie into Nick's tweet today of "Makes waves.... not ripples" -- so he went on the show to kick azz not chew bubble gum -- that is, be real and not be caught up in the "bubble".

Nick Viall - Bachelorette 11 - Spoilers - Sleuthing - Discussion #3

So here's my confusion: Either Nick was tweeting while filming to mislead or to inform (his family/whomever).

1) Based on last year and the airplane-gate video of Nick spoiling the ending.... why would he do the same thing again via tweeting?!
2) If FRC was May 3/4 and Nick is "all out of bubble gum #bubblebummer" that doesn't seem like a positive thing to me if he was F1 then he would be spending time with Kaitlyn so he would still be in the bubble. So is he informing one about the ending being a "Bachelorette Bubble Bummer" or is he misleading one with his tweet?

I guess once the show is over we will know whether he was informing/misleading. But if he was informing one about the ending, that is basically airplane-gate 2.0, imo. So why would TPTB allow that? Why would they allow Nick on SM (whether himself or another tweeting) at all if he spoiled last season? If it is to mislead it makes sense... Otherwise...

Nick Viall - Bachelorette 11 - Spoilers - Sleuthing - Discussion #3

So just looking at Nick's SM activity overall while he was filming and what may tie into Nick's emotional state and/or may or may not have taken place during filming (so not post-filming SM activity) and if he is not F1...

Prior to Nick on the show = evidence Nick was likely going to go on the show and was into Kaitlyn.
End of March/Beginning April = SM spoiled pics of him in NYC 3/25, with Sharleen & Sharleen's fiance, with Kaitlyn outside rap event, with Elan outside rap event 3/25 and also talking to Elan in San Antonio 4/1, etc... Nick smiling, happy.
April 6 = Nick posted pic of him on IG while in Ireland (wearing the same clothes as on a date with Kaitlyn per season promo s/cap).
April 7 = Nick tweeted " :/ " and posted on IG a "hugs bitmoji" while in Ireland.
April 14 = Nick tweeted "3 airplane emojis" and posted a pic of him on IG wearing 3D glasses at Little Goat location while in Ireland.
April 20 = Nick posted a pic of him on IG "Studying the art of the selfie" in Chicago while in Ireland.
April 29 = Nick tweeted "Some days it just feels like nothing is going right #smh" (this was sleuthed to be same week as HTDs in Utah and the day that Kaitlyn was sighted in LA).
May 3 = Nick tweeted "Can't sleep, won't sleep" (so if MTPs and LCDs in LA per RS and that Kaitlyn had flown to LA and sighted on April 29 it seems like May 3 is pre-FRC?)
May 4 = Nick tweeted "I'm all out of bubble gum. #bubblebummer" (if this was FRC day and Nick not F1, it sounds like "I'm all out of love/hope" and #doublebummer or a "bachlorette bubble" bummer only to me, so JMO)

Nick Viall Bachelorette 11 - Fan Forum - SLEUTHING - SPOILERS - Thread #13

So if you read the tweets with the knowledge of today's "ending" - it goes along the spoiler - it doesn't prove the spoiler, but it is "interesting" (without thinking on the "movie" references) ... won't know for sure till the end - why so: (haven't included responses and some family tweets)
APRIL
22nd - Everything is cool
25th - Summer can't get here soon enough!
retw. B. Murray's: - No one wants to hear about your diet. Just eat your salad and be sad.
29th - Some days it Just feels like nothing is going right #smh
MAY
2nd - Can't sleep. Won't sleep.
4th - I'm all out of bubble gum. #bubblebummer
6th - Goodnight
9th - It's always cloudy inside.
14th - "I wish I wasn't wearing this ******** shirt."
14th - Best part about a shrimp cocktail is the cocktail sauce #horseradish
retw. Elan's: - "Let's grab coffee next week" is the nicest way to say "please stop talking to me immediately"
15th - Someone's excited it's warm.
15th - Rolling with the homies
15th - No one eats four marshmallows. Fdym

Nick Viall Bachelorette 11 - Fan Forum - SLEUTHING - SPOILERS - Thread #13

Okay here's a theory for you. If you believe Nick's tweet of "Can't sleep, won't sleep" was when he was final 2 or 3 and thinking about proposing to Kaitlym so he was anxious and couldn't sleep, then comes his tweet about "Out of bubble gum" meaning filming is done (no Bachelor in Paradise for him this summer #bubblebummer) . The silver linig for me is he follows up with a "Goodnight" telescope pic, a very positive sign he is in a good place with the ending this time . As someone already mentioned maybe saying goodnight to his sweetheart . I choose to believe he is in love and happy with funny ,sweet,little Kaitlyn until proven otherwise!!!!