Re: Josh Murray - Bachelorette 10 - Discussion - Thread #6

[Bhaka]

I am certainly no expert on Christian values since I am not a Christian, but if I recall correctly, nobody is perfect.  Josh was reacting to interviewers' questions aimed to get a rise out of him, and calmly defending his fiancee's honor is to be expected of him.  He hasn't even come close to reaching the level of vitriol thrown at Nick (and at Andi) by many of the posters on SM (and here?), some of whom are probably Christian.

As a Christian, I am to forgive everyone. However, I don't have to take him to lunch.

[Peppermom]

Josh was defending his fiancée when asked about it on Tuesday. They have moved on. Nick, on the other hand, three days later is still at it. Whatever hurt he started with, IMO, has turned to revenge and humiliation. He needs to stop.

I have heard Josh's comments justified because the interviewer asked him, well Nick continues to be asked about it as well and is responding.  

I have not heard many of Nick's interviews but I have heard Josh decline to answer some of the questions pertaining to "the" issue stating that he considered that to be a private issue.  In spite of his being "hot-headed" by many, I have not heard Josh over-react in anything he has said.  He has labeled Nick as "classless" in more than one interview and has made it clear that he has no desire to fraternize with him.  Mainly though, in my opinion, he has put action to his words when he vowed to protect Andi, stay by her side and offer her unconditional love and in so doing, IMO, he is further showing Andi that he is not too good to be true.

Doc, I haven't had an opportunity to read all the threads/posts and was wondering what your thoughts were on this. Glad I found this post. I always love reading your thoughts! Hopefully I'll come across more as I wade through. :WAVEY: 

[soccermom333]

I am certainly no expert on Christian values since I am not a Christian, but if I recall correctly, nobody is perfect.  Josh was reacting to interviewers' questions aimed to get a rise out of him, and calmly defending his fiancee's honor is to be expected of him.  He hasn't even come close to reaching the level of vitriol thrown at Nick (and at Andi) by many of the posters on SM (and here?), some of whom are probably Christian.

As a Christian, I am to forgive everyone.  However, I don't have to take him to lunch.

This is what I have said all along.... Andi and Josh can forgive Nick but they won't forget and they will move on with their lives without him for sure. I know it will all die down on SM and here on the board but the "sting" of what Nick said will leave a mark on Josh and Andi and I have a feeling has only served to bring them closer.

[soccermom333]

Just wanted to come back and add a few more thoughts. Josh knew everything and is definitely okay and has moved on and past what Nick said. He told his Mom our relationship started the day I put a ring on it! Now, Andi, that is a different story. She is more upset by it than what she is letting on. Josh has been there for her, comforting her as always. She even tweeted "I love you more than you will ever know." He is her rock.

Most women, myself included, would be upset and probably embarrassed. This is why most bachelor/ette alumni are on Andi's side. They know Nick "broke the code" and outed Andi on live TV. They were all cringing when he did this. I believe no final 2 or 3 has ever gone there before. Certainly Nick is not the first final 2 the lead slept with, (I won't mention names) and he wont be the last.

What is done is done. Andi will heal and do so with Josh by her side, and be stronger for it.

[nannymargie]

Just wanted to come back and add a few more thoughts.  Josh knew everything and is definitely okay and has moved on and past what Nick said.  He told his Mom our relationship started the day I put a ring on it!  Now, Andi, that is a different story.  She is more upset by it than what she is letting on.  Josh has been there for her, comforting her as always.  She even tweeted "I love you more than you will ever know."  He is her rock.  

Most women, myself included, would be upset and probably embarrassed.  This is why most bachelor/ette alumni are on Andi's side.  They know Nick "broke the code" and outed Andi on live TV. They were all cringing when he did this.  I believe no final 2 or 3 has ever gone there before.  Certainly Nick is not the first final 2 the lead slept with,  (I won't mention names)  and he wont be the last.  

What is done is done.  Andi will heal and do so with Josh by her side, and be stronger for it.  

Well to be honest I hoped that Andi had told Josh. From his reaction to all of it I think she did because I don't think he could have hidden his feelings that good if he didn't know. He is living up to what he said about always protecting her and is he. But it still breaks my heart that Nick ruined their prefect love story for them and us.

[soccermom333]

Just wanted to come back and add a few more thoughts.  Josh knew everything and is definitely okay and has moved on and past what Nick said.  He told his Mom our relationship started the day I put a ring on it!  Now, Andi, that is a different story.  She is more upset by it than what she is letting on.  Josh has been there for her, comforting her as always.  She even tweeted "I love you more than you will ever know."  He is her rock.  

Most women, myself included, would be upset and probably embarrassed.  This is why most bachelor/ette alumni are on Andi's side.  They know Nick "broke the code" and outed Andi on live TV. They were all cringing when he did this.  I believe no final 2 or 3 has ever gone there before.  Certainly Nick is not the first final 2 the lead slept with,  (I won't mention names)  and he wont be the last.  

What is done is done.  Andi will heal and do so with Josh by her side, and be stronger for it.  

Well to be honest I hoped that Andi had told Josh.  From his reaction to all of it I think she did because I don't think he could have hidden his feelings that good if he didn't know.  He is living up to what he said about always protecting her and is he.  But it still breaks my heart that Nick ruined their prefect love story for them and us.

I know Josh knew EVERYTHING about what went down on the show. He made that clear in interviews. What Nick did was not right, but they will get through it and grow stronger together. Yes, it was heartbreaking to see for everyone involved, but they will be fine and grow closer because of it.

Andi and Josh don't have a perfect love story but they have a beautiful one.  :cutesmile!:  I have no doubt that they love each other very much, and I have a strong feeling we will be watching their wedding soon.

[Alanna]

I am certainly no expert on Christian values since I am not a Christian, but if I recall correctly, nobody is perfect.  Josh was reacting to interviewers' questions aimed to get a rise out of him, and calmly defending his fiancee's honor is to be expected of him.  He hasn't even come close to reaching the level of vitriol thrown at Nick (and at Andi) by many of the posters on SM (and here?), some of whom are probably Christian.

As a Christian, I am to forgive everyone.  However, I don't have to take him to lunch.

This is what I have said all along.... Andi and Josh can forgive Nick but they won't forget and they will move on with their lives without him for sure.  I know it will all die down on SM and here on the board but the "sting" of what Nick said will leave a mark on Josh and Andi and I have a feeling has only served to bring them closer.  

Nick doesn't want to be their friend, he's just being ridiculous imo. Why would he? He has already said Josh has the intelligence of an amoeba with a bad temper and whatever else, and Andi is the woman that's chosen him, so I doubt he has any interest in befriending them. He's just manipulating the viewers as he's become accustomed to now to show how nice he is that he would want to be their friend imo.

I'm sure Josh is fine with this whole thing, no way is he a good enough actor to pull it off if he was really upset about the fs. He's right there beside her, protecting her just like he promised. How generous of her to immediately give him an opportunity to protect her on a national scale too. He must be happy with the chance

[isittrue]

As a Christian, I am to forgive everyone.  However, I don't have to take him to lunch.

This is what I have said all along.... Andi and Josh can forgive Nick but they won't forget and they will move on with their lives without him for sure.  I know it will all die down on SM and here on the board but the "sting" of what Nick said will leave a mark on Josh and Andi and I have a feeling has only served to bring them closer.  

Nick doesn't want to be their friend, he's just being ridiculous imo. Why would he? He has already said Josh has the intelligence of an amoeba with a bad temper and whatever else, and Andi is the woman that's chosen him, so I doubt he has any interest in befriending them. He's just manipulating the viewers as he's become accustomed to now to show how nice he is that he would want to be their friend imo.

I'm sure Josh is fine with this whole thing, no way is he a good enough actor to pull it off if he was really upset about the fs. He's right there beside her, protecting her just like he promised. How generous of her to immediately give him an opportunity to protect her on a national scale too. He must be happy with the chance

Josh has not necessarily been kind towards Nick - we saw him refer to Nick in not so nice terms too. I think both guys are guilty of saying things that they probably regret - or maybe not. No matter, the show is over and what's done is done. Josh and Andi are together and Nick is moving on so all is good. I really don't think Nick cares whether he is part of Bachelor Nation or not - he has plenty of his own friends as well as well some fellow contestants like Marcel and JJ, Chris, Brian and Dylan to hang out with. So all is good.   

[jlccaz]

I'll say it again.
ANDI: very quick and strategic thinking on the spot at AFR ... she had a nanosecond to decide what to do, and by saying "below the belt" she moved the public debate to focus on Nick's choice to out her sex life on national TV, as in the mix. AN empathetic response would satisfy the board addicts and viewers and bloggers who like to watch these conversations as if the two people are in a normal relationship, and not putting their reputations on the line on primetime television. She chose well. I thought it was incredibly fast thinking, and thought her two years in front of trial judges probably served her well there. A crisis communications specialist would have advised that talking point/response IMO (put the focus where it belongs equally ... on his choice to out her).

JOSH: He needed to send a signal to the press and the Prying Hoardes to back off. They weren't going there as a couple. And send a signal to Nick publicly that he was vociferously aligned for life with Andi, not shocked or surprised, and any further attempt by Nick to insert himself in their relationship would be unsuccessful. Remember all this was already in the Us Weekly article. ANdi and Josh have had weeks to process Nick's "class" in blabbing to producers (who leak to media) or blabbing indirectly or directly to media. Josh is strategically making a fierce public display of loyalty and dismissal of Nick. Again, crisis communications 101, smart response.

[luvlady345]

I'll say it again.
ANDI: very quick and strategic thinking on the spot at AFR ... she had a nanosecond to decide what to do, and by saying "below the belt" she moved the public debate to focus on Nick's choice to out her sex life on national TV, as in the mix.  AN empathetic response would satisfy the board addicts and viewers and bloggers who like to watch these conversations as if the two people are in a normal relationship, and not putting their reputations on the line on primetime television.  She chose well.  I thought it was incredibly fast thinking, and thought her two years in front of trial judges probably served her well there.  A crisis communications specialist would have advised that talking point/response IMO (put the focus where it belongs equally ... on his choice to out her).

JOSH: He needed to send a signal to the press and the Prying Hoardes to back off.  They weren't going there as a couple.  And send a signal to Nick publicly that he was vociferously aligned for life with Andi, not shocked or surprised, and any further attempt by Nick to insert himself in their relationship would be unsuccessful.  Remember all this was already in the Us Weekly article.  ANdi and Josh have had weeks to process Nick's "class" in blabbing to producers (who leak to media) or blabbing indirectly or directly to media.  Josh is strategically making a fierce public display of loyalty and dismissal of Nick.  Again, crisis communications 101, smart response.

  Nicely stated....

[soccermom333]

I'll say it again.
ANDI: very quick and strategic thinking on the spot at AFR ... she had a nanosecond to decide what to do, and by saying "below the belt" she moved the public debate to focus on Nick's choice to out her sex life on national TV, as in the mix.  AN empathetic response would satisfy the board addicts and viewers and bloggers who like to watch these conversations as if the two people are in a normal relationship, and not putting their reputations on the line on primetime television.  She chose well.  I thought it was incredibly fast thinking, and thought her two years in front of trial judges probably served her well there.  A crisis communications specialist would have advised that talking point/response IMO (put the focus where it belongs equally ... on his choice to out her).

JOSH: He needed to send a signal to the press and the Prying Hoardes to back off.  They weren't going there as a couple.  And send a signal to Nick publicly that he was vociferously aligned for life with Andi, not shocked or surprised, and any further attempt by Nick to insert himself in their relationship would be unsuccessful.  Remember all this was already in the Us Weekly article.  ANdi and Josh have had weeks to process Nick's "class" in blabbing to producers (who leak to media) or blabbing indirectly or directly to media.  Josh is strategically making a fierce public display of loyalty and dismissal of Nick.  Again, crisis communications 101, smart response.

Again, well stated and to the point.   

[Laura Walsh]

I have two questions. Hope I'm in the right thread.

Does anyone think that once TPTB saw how charismatic Josh was that they started pushing Andi to pick Nick so that they would have Josh for the next bachelor? I don't even think Josh would have said yes if offered to him but TPTB can be mighty convincing.

Second questions. Since all the talk of Nick at the AFTR and his classless statement it has been said on here that Ashley did the same thing. I didn't watch her season so could someone update me on if the same thing happened to her or how does anyone know this for a fact?

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