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Post by MiaHawk Sat Jul 23, 2016 11:47 pm

[quote="MiaHawk"][quote="Litta123"]SCs illustrations...all my SCs.

MiaHawk wrote:SC Part 2...

#6 Jojo walks onto wooden planks, holding shoes in Left hand.
   ---possibly 2 slits in dress
   ---wrists, arms not able to clearly see
   ---3 smaller boats in ocean a bit closer to shore
   ---2 'Thai' looking boats are on beach to the right
   ---dark rocky cliff with one tree atop
   ---"generic" (my term) Thai decorations (no Budha statues like on grassy area)
   ---thick, dry, brown sand with lots of foot prints
   ---small white cap waves as water reaches beach
   ---rose table with fabric doo-dad on side


Original SC followed by a lightened version for detail.Then another view lightened for detail.


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Post by MiaHawk Sun Jul 24, 2016 12:08 am

This is where my current thought process is with the SCs above -
Original SC#6 of Jojo walking onto wooden planks
New SC of Jojo with Red Ribbon
Original SC of Jojo's back standing on grassy area with decoration above head.

I am wondering if the grassy area is the entry point to the FRC set up. The grassy area with the hanging decoration is elevated above beach level. You can see water in the background, but it is actually down below. You are able to make that out when you watch the actual preview clip. We don't see any rose table on grassy area. We do have previous SCs of Jojo crying on grassy area (probably after a man was sent home), which would go along with the idea that she walks her man out and he gets into limo and limo departs from this area. We also have previous SCs of Jojo and man in blue suit that have a blued-out background color with what appears to be palm tree trunks behind Jojo. This could, again, be SC of when she walks her eliminated man out. I previous theorized that the SC with the blurred out tree trunks were all SC with Jordan, as the suit sleeve was consistent in them. This, of course, goes perfectly with my theory that Jordan is F2. How convenient! THE BACHELORETTE - SEASON 12 - JOJO FLETCHER - **NO SPOILERS** -  SCaps - *SLEUTHING* DISCUSSION - Page 73 3806527698

The new SC of Jojo with red ribbon appears to have boulders on the sand and 2 thin poles. I am thinking that this SC was taken on the sand at the bottom of the grassy knoll entrance. She is looking upward, almost like she is expecting someone. I am thinking that this SC was taken with her standing all the way over to the right side of the SC of the wooden planks. You can see boulders and 2 Thai boats. There is a thin vertical pole near the boats with what looks like a flag or 2 ribbons. At first I thought it was a flag pole attached to the Thai boat. But, I think it is 2 ribbons, because you can see that the space between the 2 ribbons is the same color as the sky behind it. In the SC you can also see a brown squared off shape in the upper left hand corner. I think this may be the end of one of the Thai boats. We have sand, boulders, pole, ribbon, possible end of boat, and an upward glancing Jojo. If you look at the SC with the wooden planks, you see that the path of planks begins over by those rocks and boats. I admit that I can only see one pole in the wooden planks SC and not 2. And it is not possible to see the color of the ribbons either due to the distance. But this is my working theory right now.

This would mean that I am agreeing to the fact that these SCs all go with a FRC that takes place in Thailand on whatever beach property this is.

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Post by MiaHawk Sun Jul 24, 2016 1:53 pm

Litta123 wrote:SCs are Litta's.

I am going to try to update and clean up my thought process on the final rose SCs. I will do this in several posts due to length.[/b]
MiaHawk wrote:
#1 Close up on Jojo standing on beach with sun setting, ocean in background. She brushes her hair back.
    VO: "Coming into this I"
    
[b]Original cap with no lighting change

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#2 Jojo walking down beach with sun setting and ocean in the background.
    VO: "wanted to find love"
   
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#3  Jojo PI.
     Mouth Moving: "and I found it with a man" 
     
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#4  Jojo standing near palm trees. Left hand up to face.
     VO: "that will not be able to love me back the way I said I wanted to be loved"
     
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#5 Close up of Jojo standing near palm trees, wiping tears from her face.
    Mouth moving: "Why is this happening to me"
   
A couple SCs from the same scene.

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Post by MiaHawk Sun Jul 24, 2016 1:58 pm

SCs are Litta's
Part 2 of my updated and cleaned up thoughts on FRC....
#6 Jojo walks onto wooden planks, holding shoes in Left hand.
 

Original SC followed by a lightened version for detail.

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#7 What appears to be Jordan's hands/thumbs holding ringbox in limo
    VO: Oh, God. I'm so scared to let him go"
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#8 Jojo PI. Closeup, crying, fanning herself with white papers in Right hand.
    Mouth moving: "I think I"m having a panic attack"
   
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Post by MiaHawk Sun Jul 24, 2016 2:10 pm

All Scs by Litta123
Part 3 of my updated and cleaned up FRC Scs.....

#9  Jojo Face with hair in mouth, teary eyed. Blue shoulder only, indentation pattern on shoulder and top of sleeve, seam about 3/4 of the way on back of sleeve, no male hands visible.
     Mouth moving: "I fell in love with you"
     ---solid grey background
***I think the lighter solid blue in background is sky behind the wooden plank FRC set up.***
MY OPINION: JORDAN

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#10 Jojo NO face, close up of waste line only. Bottom of man's blue sleeve with buttons, male hands are visible. She holds man's hands and kind of bounces them.
     VO: "and I"m still in love with you"
***I think lighter solid blue is sky behind wooden plank FRC set up***
      
MY OPINION: ROBBY

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#11  Jojo Face. Blue shoulder only, no hands, seam about 3/4 way back on sleeve
      Mouth moving: "but what you did to me"
***I think lighter solid blue is sky behind wooden plank FRC set up***
MY OPINION: JORDAN (as a continuation of her sentence)

Original cap
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#12 Jojo NO Face, close up of waste line. Blue sleeve only, buttons, male hands visible.
     VO: "is not right"
****I think lighter blue solid background is sky behind wooden plank FRC set up. I still don't know what that green patch is in background***
MY OPINION: ROBBY 

Original cap
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#13 Jojo No face, runs her hand up the same (as #12) man's blue sleeve, can see crease down the center of back of sleeve, but no seam.
     VO: "but I want you to know"

      ***I think lighter blue solid background is sky behind wooden plank FRC set up***
MY OPINION: ROBBY

Original cap
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Post by MiaHawk Sun Jul 24, 2016 2:23 pm

All SCs are Litta's
Mia's Part 4 of updated and cleaned up FRC SCs

[quote]#14 Jojo's Face only, but her mouth is NOT visible because it is blocked by blue shoulder. Blue shoulder only, indentation pattern, no male hands visible.
    VO: "it's really hard for me"

*****I THINK THAT THE DARKER BLUE BACKGROUND IS WATER. I USED TO THINK THAT THE VERTICAL LINE BEHIND HER IS A TREE TRUNK FROM GRASSY AREA. NOW, WITH NEW PREVIEW SC, I THINK THIS SC IS NOT DONE ON GRASSY AREA OR WOODEN PLANK FRC SET UP. I THINK IT WAS DONE WAY OVER TO THE RIGHT OF THE SC THAT SHOWS THE ROCKS AND BOATS ON SAND. YOU CAN SEE POLE WITH RIBBONS ON BOAT. I WILL COMPARE THIS 'POLE' WITH THE 'POLE' IN THE NEW SC OF HER WITH THE RED RIBBON IN A SEPARATE POST LATER*****
my opinion: JORDAN
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#15 Jojo NO face, close up of waste line and hands. Man's hands visible.
    VO: "not to accept"

**I think lighter solid blue is sky behind wooden plank FRC set up***   
MY OPINION: ROBBY

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#16 Jojo's Face, teary eyed, hair in mouth. Blue Shoulder only, indentation pattern.
     Mouth moving: "this love"
***I think lighter solid blue is sky behind wooden plank FRC set up****
My opinion: Jordan

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Post by MiaHawk Sun Jul 24, 2016 2:36 pm

Ladybug82 wrote:ALL SCs are Ladybug82's.
Part 5 of my updated and cleaned up FRC SCs...


SC#17 Jojo standing on grassy area with decoration hanging above her.
***I think this is the entry point from the grassy area above the beach down to the beach. I think that if you walk through this area, there is probably a path of steps down to the beach below. At the bottom of this path, I believe is the rocky beach area (with single tree atop), the various boulders, and Thai boats. (All the things visible in the SC of the wooden planks leading to the FRC set up) You can see that the series of wooden planks starts way over to the right over by the Thai boats.
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SC #18 Jojo standing, looking slightly upward. 2 vertical lines in background. Red 'ribbon' in background.
***I think that the darker blue background is water. I think that the vertical lines are poles - the same pole that we see in the other SC. I think the red ribbon is the ribbon flag that is by Thai boat. I think that the oddly shaped jagged edged objects on the sand or boulders. I think that the rectangular brown shape in the upper left corner is the end of one of the Thai boats. If you look closely, there are two layers of brown color, one darker and one lighter. If you look closely at the SC with the Thai boats, you will see that they have layers of brown color, too. Therefore, I think that this SC is of Jojo standing over by the Thai boats at the bottom of the pathway that leads to the wooden planks.***

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Post by MiaHawk Sun Jul 24, 2016 2:52 pm

So, now I'm going to compare SC#14 and #18, to show you why I think that they are taken from the same place near the Thai boats....
We know that in #18 she is down near the beach because we can see boulders and the Thai boat behind her. We also see 2 vertical 'poles'. Look at the pole on the right side of the SC.
If you look at the 'pole' in #14, you can see the same shaped and coloration to it. The color is more white towards the top and then about halfway down it is less white. Therefore, I think that these poles are the same poles. Which means she is crying with Blue Suit man as she walks him out after he is eliminated, in my opinion. The lead always waits for the contestants on the FRC set up, so this has to be on his way out. And in my opinion this is Jordan.

Do I have 100% proof that it is Jordan? No, I do not. We have 2 men who wear blue suits, which still leaves that slight chance that all SC at FRC are Robby (because of hands) and only the ringbox SC is of Jordan. But, I do not believe that. I think they hid Jojo's face in all of the SCs with Robby because we'd see the difference in emotion. I believe that the entire FRC takes place in Thailand, with Jordan as F2 and Robby as F1. I really don't understand the bracelet appearing and I am not sure if Robby will propose at FRC. My feeling is that Robby would go ahead and propose, unless he was told and saw that Jojo was in no state of mind to get engaged that day. Then I think he may have held off on giving her the ring at FRC. But, knowing how this show usually goes, it is more likely that he is pressured into going ahead with the proposal 'for good tv'.

#14 Jojo's Face only, but her mouth is NOT visible because it is blocked by blue shoulder. Blue shoulder only, indentation pattern, no male hands visible.
    VO: "it's really hard for me"

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color=#cc0033]SC #18 Jojo standing, looking slightly upward. 2 vertical lines in background. Red 'ribbon' in background.
[/color]***I think that the darker blue background is water. I think that the vertical lines are poles - the same pole that we see in the other SC. I think the red ribbon is the ribbon flag that is by Thai boat. I think that the oddly shaped jagged edged objects on the sand or boulders. I think that the rectangular brown shape in the upper right corner is the end of one of the Thai boats. If yo look closely, there are two layers of brown color, one darker and one lighter. If you look closely at the SC with the Thai boats, you will see that they have layers of brown color, too. Therefore, I think that this SC is of Jojo standing over by the Thai boats at the bottom of the pathway that leads to the wooden planks.***

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Post by moonchild Sun Jul 24, 2016 6:47 pm

So why the difference in the rose table? There is a distinct difference IMO. I'm not saying I believe it was anywhere other than Thailand for both, but it doesn't make sense to me why it would be different in different shots. Even if they had to shoot over two consecutive days, wouldn't they use the same one. I am just scratching my head over that one.


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Post by Guest Sun Jul 24, 2016 7:22 pm

moon, the thing off the side is actually lower than it looked in the other cap, so it's possible it's the same table. The rose is different, but might be because she held it and put it back.

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Post by MiaHawk Sun Jul 24, 2016 7:41 pm

I think that the way the rose table is filmed with Robby, it might not show enough of the side to see the fabric doo-dad. The doo-dad might be hung a few inches below the actual table top.  The rose could have been picked up and put back down differently. Very difficult to make out all of these details. Is there a detail visible on rose table, other than the doo-dad, that makes tables seem different? IDK

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