Colton Underwood - Episode Mar 11th - *Sleuthing Spoilers*

Billysmom wrote:Was it just me or did Cassie's hair look a lot longer in that packing scene?

SFoster wrote:Yep, they are already talking in reddit about how they went back later to film this whole make-up as if it happened right after.  Colton also has his new haircut in the purple shirt.

Cassie was leaving, walked out the door last night. But she answers the door tonight. Shorter hair. Could have been weeks later.  Wonder if Elan had already quit at that point,  Wonder if that was why he was fed up?  

Sprite wrote:Sorry, but from what I remember, he started asking first and then everything snowballed. I have never seen a lead who encourage that behaviour like he did. My thinking was that he was following producer instructions like the good little puppet that I thought he would be.

As I said, I was unspoiled until last night. I just read this thread to get the gist of everything. I see a lot of love for Colton here...was it always like this? For me he was and still is the worst lead. His ending may have saved everything, but for me it does not excuse the torture that I had to endure watching the rest of this season. It dragged on and on and even this is being dragged out way too long. He was totally wishy washy throughout...I can't do this, I can't do that. I don't like this, I don't like that. The conversations for the most part seemed like him encouraging the "women" to tattle on one another and very little substance and frankly, no humour. And with him I always wonder just how much is his idea and how much is producer driven. Even his apparent chasing after Cassie. I think he was done, but then his producers suggest for him to go after her....think how romantic, the most dramatic final ever, everyone will love you. I know they are all manipulated to different degrees, but for me he just takes the cake. I'm sure he is an ok guy, but way too young and inexperienced to be the lead and still a major fail for me It will be interesting to see how this works out in the real world.

Amethyst wrote:

Sprite wrote:Sorry, but from what I remember, he started asking first and then everything snowballed. I have never seen a lead who encourage that behaviour like he did. My thinking was that he was following producer instructions like the good little puppet that I thought he would be.

As I said, I was unspoiled until last night. I just read this thread to get the gist of everything. I see a lot of love for Colton here...was it always like this? For me he was and still is the worst lead. His ending may have saved everything, but for me it does not excuse the torture that I had to endure watching the rest of this season. It dragged on and on and even this is being dragged out way too long. He was totally wishy washy throughout...I can't do this, I can't do that. I don't like this, I don't like that. The conversations for the most part seemed like him encouraging the "women" to tattle on one another and very little substance and frankly, no humour. And with him I always wonder just how much is his idea and how much is producer driven. Even his apparent chasing after Cassie. I think he was done, but then his producers suggest for him to go after her....think how romantic, the most dramatic final ever, everyone will love you. I know they are all manipulated to different degrees, but for me he just takes the cake. I'm sure he is an ok guy, but way too young and inexperienced to be the lead and still a major fail for me It will be interesting to see how this works out in the real world.

Hi, Sprite! Good to hear from you.

I'll give you my point of view. I didn't like Colton going into this season, so I needed a lot of convincing. I liked how he was a terrific listener to the women and fully present for them when they were talking to him. He was wonderfully empathetic whether it was learning about Caelynn's sexual assault or Demi's mom being in jail. I liked that he gave all of the women a fair shot -- with other leads, I felt they were going through the motions, but with Colton, I felt that he genuinely wanted to get to know the women and what they each had to offer. And I got the sense that Colton has a lot of tolerance for the wide variety of people in life. I never felt that he was looking down or askance at any of the cast members even if they were very different from him.

I think that he could have done a much better job of shutting down the tattling, but that doesn't detract significantly from my overall good impression of him.

I saw a lot of positive qualities in the women who made it far into the process as well. I can see what he sees in Cassie. She was consistently one of the kindest women in the house. Tayshia was very caring to him even when he was breaking up with her. Other than wondering what the heck went wrong at the end, Hannah G. managed to steer clear of the drama and made a positive impression on me all season. Hannah B. was terrific. I loved Sydney and Elyse. I don't think I can recall a cast of so many likeable people (tattling aside.) And Colton brought many of the best ones through to the final weeks. This was the first season in a long time where I have zero concerns about who will be our next Bachelorette. It was an embarrassment of riches. And Colton attracted them and promoted them through his choices.

IMO he is a genuinely good guy and has been a breath of fresh air for the show.

lleyki wrote:

that's why I have enjoyed this season he's not coming with a bunch of bs like the other leads...honest about his feeling.

Is that why he was telling Hannah G to trust him, how much she felt like home, asking her father for his permission to propose and then later saying to Cassie how he thought of her the whole time he was with the other women? A point Hannah nicely threw in his face last night? Seems like typical lead language and behavior to me.

I can relate with Colton, I don't settle for what I don't want either. It's a very romantic season probably the best we'll get. Hats off to Colton, you go boy.

The problem here is that those are his feelings but what about hers? See that's where myself and others see the creepy part. I'm perfectly fine with Colton not choosing women he wasn't into and letting them go. The point of the show is to only pick one after all.

My issue is that he's going after someone who has made her feelings about the situation clear and doesn't seem to be respecting that choice. I guess I see why some see it as romantic but for me, it's a little too "someone says they're not into you but if you persist enough, you can wear them down".

And yes, the show edits how they want and so maybe they chose not to show Cassie bawling her eyes out and still upset over leaving Colton and that would be a great disservice to him. Because her seeming nonchalance and complete acceptance with the choice and decision she made in walking away, makes his action look even sillier and more pathetic, IMHO.

Also disagree that the producers do not want a engagement at the end of this that is the whole premise of the show.

Agree to disagree. I'm not denying that the producers are glad when an engagement happens but at the end of the day, this is an entertainment reality show and IMHO, what they want are the water cooler moments. The social media trends and buzz and Monday Morning (or in their case Tuesday morning) quarterbacking about what happened. That's what has kept them on the air all these years.

If it was about the engagements, the show would long have been cancelled seeing how few couples actually stay together. So again for me, the producers were probably rubbing their hands in glee at this whole mess. Probably laughing their butts off and cheering Colton and his wall jump that they knew would be gold for the season. And seeing how much they promoted it all season and hyped it up, I'd say it was.

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