The Bachelor Australia - Season 2 - Blake Garvey & Sam Frost - Finale and ATFR - *Spoilers* - General Discussion

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HodanG wrote:Upload seems to not work but go to karas twitter page and scroll down @kjbramham

oh gotcha! tim tweeted that and kara retweeted him

Yup! And kara tweeted him back and he replied let's continue this on the media group

sam is exactly the worse girl he could have picked if he wanted to maintain his reputation.... i agree allforlove something's not computing quite exactly...

emusha wrote:sam is exactly the worse girl he could have picked if he wanted to maintain his reputation.... i agree allforlove something's not computing quite exactly...

I definitely agree emusha... 


Remember Blake said that Sam having doubts gave him doubts?? (After HTD, she had said she would know for SURE 100% and then she was all, well BUT BUT....)


Not sure if read my earlier post in Blake+Sam thread but I mentioned the focus was on THEIR EYES...

From ALL the screen caps (and I believe those predict with MOST accuracy the truth/result)  we sleuthed, everything and I mean EVERYTHING, came down to what we saw in Blake's eyes. He looked at Sam differently from every single girl. Even when he said he had fallen for all three, ALL screen caps showed him looking differently at Sam.

Blake said .... when you LOOK at me I feel so loved...
Sam said.. when you LOOK at me I can tell you love me too

Blake and Sam had INTENSE eye contact. They literally would just gaze into each other's eyes. They were the ONLY two that constantly LOOKED at each other... think back to the date Blake and Sam had with Lisa on the couch as well... He couldn't take his eyes off Sam.... and this continued until the proposal....(other than Jess, but towards the end you could see from screen caps that Blake stopped looking INTO her eyes as much) 

Chantal even mentioned to watch Blake's face. Because of how he LOOKED at Sam. It was different. Even ALL the girl's acknowledged that during the WTA. 

And Zoe posted this after Blake proposed to Sam.... 
 zoeoee Sam Frost you deserve the world xo ️#thebachelorau #teamsam #love 1d


Read more at http://websta.me/p/822350450757295383_195534438#urig1QERtsTL8O6m.99

furthering proving that ALL The girls felt that Blake LOOKED at Sam differently... Even Lisa said she knew Blake had something more with Sam than with her when she drives away after Blake tells her he is in love with someone else, Sam. 



I believe that things went awry because Blake needed to be in the bubble with Sam and have Sam looking at him with love in her eyes. ( remember how he said that Louise made him feel loved? the difference was he didn't LOOK at Louise like he did Sam)... 


Because Blake didn't get to see her at all it seems from all his interviews (too too weird considering it was only three weeks ago and they hadn't seen each other) and get that validation Sam loves him still, he never felt loved anymore which raised doubts (remember he said during HTD that Sam's doubts gave him doubts)... 

Obviously there is a lot more to this but I wanted to draw attention to what Blake said in his proposal about looking into Sam's eyes and feeling so loved... and Sam having told him on the yacht that she can tell by the way he LOOKS at her that he loves her too and he responded that that makes him really happy that she can "read" him so well... something he reiterates in his proposal and how she sees him to his core. And then he says he has no DOUBTS, NO DOUBTS.... 


And we all know he had said his doubts only come from Sam having doubts...


I truly believe he may have been a bit of a douche by how he treated all the women. But I think a LOT of that was just his personality having been raised by females and he was really really caught up in the moment and romance with girls. HOWEVER, he only looked at Sam with vulnerability and let her fully see all of him. 


I think this guy fell hard. Very hard. He had to WORK to get Sam. He constantly pursued her... even on the first episode when Anita wanted to chat with him he said, Uh I would really like to talk to Sam... and the episode 8 he REALLY wanted Sam to stay. That was some amazing acting if he didn't care deeply for her. 


I don't know... he could be total #douchebag but there is still something that doesn't compute. 


Either he is hiding from media because there is something really bad that Sam would bring up in ATFR ....which I asked EARLY on, why there was none scheduled since everyone already knew there was a proposal. 


ATFR would have been scheduled and told to us viewers much, much sooner if things hadn't soured post-proposal. The producers knew all this. So if there was something Sam had on Blake that he didn't/couldn't handle talking about in public since she says she has no filter, then THAT is the sole reason I have that he backed out because talking in ATFR would make him look really, really bad. We will see though. I am still undecided.....

i think he's getting a WORSE reputation than jason or even juan pablo at this point....i think people genuinely think he's a real douchebag... and if that's not the case that is a true tragedy!! there hasn't been a lot of time -- just 6 weeks but that is a LONG time to be completely apart...

emusha wrote:i think he's getting a WORSE reputation than jason or even juan pablo at this point....i think people genuinely think he's a real douchebag... and if that's not the case that is a true tragedy!! there hasn't been a lot of time -- just 6 weeks but that is a LONG time to be completely apart...

Just 6 weeks since filming ended? Didn't I read after 3 weeks, he did an interview and he didn't even see her yet? This is insane.

GuardianAngel wrote:

emusha wrote:i think he's getting a WORSE reputation than jason or even juan pablo at this point....i think people genuinely think he's a real douchebag... and if that's not the case that is a true tragedy!! there hasn't been a lot of time -- just 6 weeks but that is a LONG time to be completely apart...

Just 6 weeks since filming ended? Didn't I read after 3 weeks, he did an interview and he didn't even see her yet? This is insane.

yes! and I think I've figured this thing out!!

GuardianAngel wrote:

emusha wrote:i think he's getting a WORSE reputation than jason or even juan pablo at this point....i think people genuinely think he's a real douchebag... and if that's not the case that is a true tragedy!! there hasn't been a lot of time -- just 6 weeks but that is a LONG time to be completely apart...

Just 6 weeks since filming ended? Didn't I read after 3 weeks, he did an interview and he didn't even see her yet? This is insane.

taping ended aug 25th-27 so something around 6 weeks is the time they've been apart - we don't know if the finale was a lot of time before that... around 2-3 weeks after the end of filming (sept 11-17th) he gave several interviews... filming might have ended a few days after the FRC taping. this is all VERY fresh. around sept 18th the anonymous caller to a radio show put in a tip that one of the 4 girls is an escort of some sort -- were there any interviews with blake after that?? - i do recall there was one scheduled with him for a radio show that i was waiting on - on a thursday - that never happened...

Okay,.... here goes guys and it is a SHOCK I never figured this out sooner...

I actually have CHILLS because this says it all....


Remember how Osher said in a pre-FD interview that something shocking happens when Blake pulls out the ring. Nothing shocking happened. Nothing. 


So I thought about it and watched the FRC again... and noticed something that IS shocking!!!


THERE WAS NO FINAL ROSE CEREMONY!!!!!!

- There was NO rose at the end of the aisle
- Lisa was the first to walk down aisle 
- Sam was last to walk down aisle (proven by SC, the sun sets with Sam)
- this was not because of the proposal, the rose would still be given to F1.. IT was left out intentionally. 


Lisa's so-called FRC:
- So... based on SC, Lisa was the first to go down the aisle. 
- She went down an aisle and SAW no rose!!!  Uh, hello?? NO rose? 
- This would have told her ALREADY that he chose Sam. 
- The producers would have HAD to have a put a rose there (in addition to a ring) in order to keep the girls guessing. 
- There has never been a commitment/engagement ring or FRC without a final rose. Ever! (correct me if I am wrong but it has never happened..not giving F1 the final rose. Giving no one one, Brad, there STILL was a rose there).





Honestly, the question we should ALL be asking is not why no ATFR but WHY no FR??


Because if there was no FR then it makes sense to never have ATFR...


Yup. This is producers more than anything else..... something went down the day of/prior to the proposal that made them NOT have a final rose... and thus no ATFR... the rose never even came into play and that is what this whole Bachelor franchise is all about... the FRC... 

AllAboutLove, just to back up your theory, here is the caption from Bachelor AU FB page: note they didn't say first rose to a final rose.

The Bachelor Australia wrote:
From the first rose, to the final dates. The moment has finally arrived. Who will Blake choose?

They never planned to go a final rose it seems.

mercieme wrote:AllAboutLove, just to back up your theory, here is the caption from Bachelor AU FB page: note they didn't say first rose to a final rose.

The Bachelor Australia wrote:
From the first rose, to the final dates. The moment has finally arrived. Who will Blake choose?

They never planned to go a final rose it seems.

Exactly!!! They knew already! It is why they had a Women's Tell All... it is also why we hear SAM narrating at the end. IT was NEVER Blake's journey.. it was Sam's story from the get go.

The producers didn't even allow Blake to end narrate HIS OWN season. And then Blake says that the producer's kept him away from her?

Maybe they were trying to protect Sam? Maybe they knew something behind the scenes...

Ultimately, the end result (NO final rose) became part of how they had to edit the show and ONLY show us a Blake that is falling, falling, falling for Sam and then....???

South Africa... and we see a Blake who has fallen for ALL 3 girls. And Sam's comment to his mom about hoping Blake wasn't a douche..

Also, the statement says BLAKE broke it off.