The Bachelor 20 - Ben Higgins - Scaps - Discussion - *Sleuthing - Spoilers*

asim wrote:I have a couple questions regarding the last preview.  Why is Ben calling someone after he has decided to propose, or maybe it's TPTB editing. Also what is with the Helicopter? the girls arrive in the Limos.  Could it possibly be that Ben is having parents arrive to witness the proposal?  That's never been done before and that's why he's calling (we assume) his Mom.  Just a thought IMO.

jcrbil wrote:I think I recall, back during filming, that there was an IG post by Ben's parents flying back to Indiana after their time in Jamaica.  Pretty sure it was before the proposal... but if anyone wants to go back to check...

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asim wrote:I have a couple questions regarding the last preview.  Why is Ben calling someone after he has decided to propose, or maybe it's TPTB editing. Also what is with the Helicopter? the girls arrive in the Limos.  Could it possibly be that Ben is having parents arrive to witness the proposal?  That's never been done before and that's why he's calling (we assume) his Mom.  Just a thought IMO.

Lucas15 wrote:

sophienette wrote:I just want to say there is 1 sentence, said by Jojo, which could be key...

'I don't want to hurt him'

sophienette wrote:What it COULD mean is that she realizes she doesn't want to marry him? or something... pretty much mutual break up pre FRC.

Interesting theory - IMO with merit. I think that a mutual break-up pre FRC could be why they left the "I won't blindside you" comment in - a mutual breakup would not be a blindside. I also think that the preview showing Ben saying "[Honestly] I do love you" to one woman and "[This is really hard for me because] I've known I'm in love with you for a while" to another could tie into this theory.

A couple of observations I've made about the two "I love you" cited above:

One is that while we search for the thing that happens that we've never seen before, ABC and CH (on the live show) have presented that Ben tells two women he loves them is what we've never seen before. Of course that's not true because we have seen that before as several posters have pointed out - I just think it's BS on the part of the show and they are banking on the bulk of the viewing audience to not remember (or maybe never saw) previous shows where this also happened.

Another observation is that there is a night and day difference (to me anyway) between how Ben says what he says. When Ben says "I do love you" to one woman he is conversational in his tone of voice and almost business-like in his facial expressions. I'm not saying he's lying - just that in that moment I don't think he feels deep love. When Ben says "I've known I'm in love with you for a while" his voice is tender and he looks at that woman lovingly and with great sincerity and to me he looks like he really means what he is saying - he's feeling that love at that moment and it comes across to the camera. And the last observation is that in the context of this show, there is a difference between the words "I love you" and "I'm in love with you". "I love you" can mean "I love the person you are" (which was how Sean explained his feelings for Lindsay Yenter) or can be the kind of love you feel for a good friend; you can love many people in life (and most of us do). "I'm in love with you" seems to be used for a "romantic" kind of love - the love that is felt between two people who want to marry, raise a family and spend the rest of their lives together; it's a kind of love that is exclusive (hopefully) to one person.

IMO Ben says "I do love you" to his F2 and it's a tightly cropped "frankenbite" because if they showed the entire context of the conversation it would look very different - and they don't want us to see the full context yet. IMO Ben says "I've known I'm in love with you for a while" to his F1 and in context it means exactly what it seems.

mindless wrote:I'm really confused about these screencaps from the latest preview. Are they from earlier on in the season? It looks like Ben and Emily in cocktail party attire, but Emily's supposed to be going home before the RC next week and Ben's not wearing the same clothes anyway. I thought they might have an evening portion to their date in Indiana, but Ben's hair looks shorter than on the group date the day before and maybe the RC too (hard to tell).

sophienette wrote:

julychild wrote:Don't know what goes down at FRC but doubt the mutual break up angle. In the preview, Ben is shown saying something like " I love someone else...more"  This scene looks like he is talking to someone standing in front of him. I believe this was the F2 break up. "I love you, I can't imagine saying goodbye bye, but I love another woman more than I do you."

The "I do love you" scene, to me, looks like a conversation pre or after  MTP. They are outside, it's daytime.... However way he told the other person that he loves them, I agree that saying you've known you love someone for a while, sounds like a more serious confession.