The Bachelor 20 - Ben Higgins - NO SPOILERS - Discussion

Litta123 wrote:Just a suggestion...

GA, another possibility would be to put the answer in a spoiler post. It would save someone from having to make multiple PMs, even though I know one could copy and paste. The rule could be to answer the question factually with no interpretation or added info. The non-spoiled could choose to open the spoiler post or not.

It might be best, like you said, to have a mod or someone else specifically designated to answer. Like I posted earlier, even though people were well intentioned during Juan Pablo's season, too much leaked out in posts responding to questions. After awhile it became pretty obvious who the spoiled F1 was.

I like this suggestion a lot! I know that when I've been spoiled I found it virtually impossible to post anything in the unspoiled thread. I'm one of those posters, I suppose, who has a difficult time NOT letting my biases show. I think that a spoiler post with just the facts, no interpretation, might be the easiest. And the easiest way to control that would be to have 1 or 2 designated spoiled be the authors of those spoiler posts. Oh, curiosity is a slippery slope!

Maggenzm wrote:

Katiebelle wrote:                  

The WTA downloaded very early tonight and since I have meetings all day tomorrow I thought I'd have a quick peek. I started watching and thought blow this... and fast forwarded to the end to see the preview for next week.

I thought last week was WOW but next week looks like it will be the most dramatic finale I have ever seen.

You Americans really do know how to put on a good show! Now how many days, hours and minutes until the finale airs?

Agree! that scene with him wiping Lolo tears and the conversation in the bathroom with JJ, that is the most dramatic season ever, I can't wait. This is for me the best season ever, that because of Ben's honesty. I love both girls, and I think he will be happy with ether. I was team Lauren before, but now I am as confused as Ben is. LOL, I love Jojo too.

This is the first season where I will not be heartbroken if the lead chooses one or the other, it's less stressful.

ITA with you!

I've enjoyed the non-spoiled comments this season as well. Hope to join you this next go around, will be nice going into a season unbiased again.

Maggenzm wrote:

agentcurls wrote:@MiaHawk, I've always enjoyed your commentary.

What do you make of Ben's getting choked up with Lauren's sister? "I'm so lucky..."

He is thankful!, and I also think, it is the way the sister phased the question. She was saying what he was thinking. However. In addition, Lauren was not afraid to show Ben how invested in him she was. She told him " I can see a LIFE with you" that's major validation, and this allowed him to fall forward every time they spend time together.
However Jojo has been afraid to give love bcs of past relationships hurt, even before HMT, she was still afraid and that alone, kept him from falling forward. Notice when Jojo saud ILY, he smiled and returned ILY too, it looked as though he already loved her, but was waiting for validation from her. JMHO

This is so refreshing, he really loves both girls, and he is not afraid to say it to them, what a new concept! That s really living in a moment, and that IMO, 's the key to a successful life, giving your all in all you do.

The attraction Ben has toward Lauren has been obvious all season. Her front runner status has been played up in different episodes by showing the other girls commenting on it (I think during the pig date) and when 'villainous' Leah threw her under the bus. Lauren's HT date went so well that even I thought she (at the time) was his favorite. Ben is a caring and emotional guy. I think he understood where the sister was coming from (especially since his family had gone through the process last bachelorette season), and he was genuinely choked up. When the sister said "I think you just gave me my answer" and think the answer that she got was that Ben truly is a nice guy who cares about each woman and cares about their feelings, and yes, he loves a few of them to varying degrees, Lauren being one of them. Afterwards he leaned back on the couch and said something about the tears as he wiped his eyes, and the sister responded that she, too, was a crier. People cry for different reasons...love, sadness, stress, fatigue, feeling emotionally overwhelmed. Many of those things, IMO, applied to that moment.

Up until the HT dates, Jojo has been shown to be a confidant to Ben, the one who goes to comfort him and check up on how he is doing. She has also been shown to have chemistry with Ben and be affectionate with him on dates. But, IMO, Jojo was never edited to be the front runner. One of the top few girls, yes, but front runner status, IMO, was given to Lauren. I would say that up until and through the HT dates, I was leaning toward Lauren as F1. But after thinking about Jojo's HT date further and then watching the FS dates and even WTA last night, I now think he chooses Jojo.

Sorry, to make so many posts in a row!  

I put them here since I didn't see a separate SC thread, please feel free to move them, GA and mods if there's a better place for them!

Mommyof1 wrote:

MiaHawk wrote:A question for anyone who is currently spoiled: Are the spoiled threads heated? Are there arguments going on?

In past seasons things have often gotten heated because of the personalities or actions of contestants that were seen as controversial. I think Ben and most of his girls are nice, but that's just me. I'm wondering if the ILYs to 2 women has created a firestorm in the spoiled threads. Inquiring minds want to know.  On a scale of 1 to 10 (1 being invite Ben to Thanksgiving dinner and 10 being burn Ben at the stake), what are most of our members feeling about Ben after the double ILYs? TIA.

We definitely have camps set up for the F1 and the F2 and yet there are others who are on the fence or just don't care what happens.     I wouldn't say it is heated per se, but several posters are in their camps and have already set up their tents.    I'm in JoJo's camp, no matter if she is F1 or F2.  I love JoJo!  She has made the season for me!  It's not that I don't like Lauren, I just can't relate to her.  After nine episodes, I feel I know absolutely nothing about her.  

As for the 2 ILY's, some still think Ben is the greatest guy and then there are others who think he is still a bit immature and not ready for marriage.  

I feel this way, too. It could due to the fact that they've edited out all of Lauren's deep and interesting conversations. However, what they've shown us is Ben saying at HT dates that Caila's relationship had the deepest (and confusing) conversations.

What they've shown us is a shy and reserved Lauren, and maybe that is her natural personality. Nothing wrong with that, but it just makes it more difficult for me as a viewer to feel invested in her.

We also hear Ben say about Jojo that she is the one who brings out a whole other side of him (playful, fun, silly---all good things, IMO) I think Lauren and Ben are too similar in personality. I think Jojo brings things out in him and makes him a more well-rounded person. Think about the WTA last night. There were tons of bloopers showing Jojo (she is a silly girl) but hardly a one of Lauren. Why? Because she is more serious and reserved. Which is fine, but we weren't shown a whole lot of it, IMO. And I, too, don't feel like I got a deep read on Lauren. As opposed to the roller coaster ride (HT date) with Jojo which accentuated many of her personality traits.