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Episode 4 - 6/13 - Discussion - Spoilers

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Post by Guest on Sat Jun 18, 2011 12:26 am

@agentcurls wrote:
@Alexxxx wrote:
@Gina wrote:I would hate to think any F1 is by default, that's just wrong. Could be Ben steps down because he realizes what JP and Ashley have and just doesn't want to go thru the FRC and be sent home as F2...similar to what Ali did with Chris L. only vice versa.

Gina, I had speculated that Ben removes himself also.

came to fiji excited and left crying
Still has to refer to Ryan imo

she had on other choose but to go with jp
After Ben left, JP was the only other choice

and that wyh ben stayed in the westin
instead of going to the FRC he stayed in the westin

The clearest statement of these three imo is the ben stayed in the Westin one. But how does that work with Ben and Ashley are engaged, which was his first message and was stated clearly? If they were together wouldn't he have said Ben and Ashley stayed in the westin?

I'm determined to figure this out.


Is it possible Ben took himself out after FD? Then Ryan put himself back in, then left crying??? Then fijiman is right in that JP was the only choice at that point....but maybe it was Ashley's choice to begin with?? The language barrier does make it difficult.

But what about Love_Me asking fijiman straight up " Did she choose Ben?" and he said "yes". That's the part that doesn't make sense or correspond to this first exchange.

I wondered about the timing of Ben taking himself out, if that's what he does. IF he takes himself out after FD, and IF we believe RS that Constantine leaves at F3 as a mutual decision with Ashley, that leaves one loooooong suspense-less finale with only JP. So maybe that's why Ryan was brought back. To give some semblance of competition with JP. I don't think we know exactly when Ryan comes back, but if it's at the FRC, whoa! I guess that would help explain, though, why he looks so sad in that last video. IDK, it's all pretty far-fetched. If Ben takes himself out it's more likely to be at F2, but I really don't think he does. I think he's going to the FRC, and either take his lumps or do the twirl.

Your last paragraph is what is hanging me up. It was asked and answered clearly. I just think Fijiman is this season's Melinda Havea and shouldn't be ignored.

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Post by summerluvn on Fri Jun 17, 2011 11:01 pm


Just another spin that that conversation [JP/Ben/Blake]... Ben said that he figured that JP having the 1 on 1 changed things for JP... in that his feelings for Ashley deepened. Then Ben has his SQT with Ashley and they kiss.... "ruh roh" things are starting for Ben. Now... next up is Ben's 1 on 1 with Ashley. Will Ben NOW be falling hard for Ashley as JP has? That is something to watch out for.[/quote]


Good point, BachFan.

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Post by Guest on Fri Jun 17, 2011 10:30 pm

@agentcurls wrote:
@Gina wrote:I would hate to think any F1 is by default, that's just wrong. Could be Ben steps down because he realizes what JP and Ashley have and just doesn't want to go thru the FRC and be sent home as F2...similar to what Ali did with Chris L. only vice versa.

yeah, that's what I was thinking....& there was a little foreshadowing demonstrating this when Ben F & Blake were teasing JP about kissing Ash. That conversation made the editing cut for whatever reason & I think it was to highlight that Ben F knew exactly how far JP had fallen at that point...??

Just another spin that that conversation [JP/Ben/Blake]... Ben said that he figured that JP having the 1 on 1 changed things for JP... in that his feelings for Ashley deepened. Then Ben has his SQT with Ashley and they kiss.... "ruh roh" things are starting for Ben. Now... next up is Ben's 1 on 1 with Ashley. Will Ben NOW be falling hard for Ashley as JP has? That is something to watch out for.

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Post by LibbyBell on Fri Jun 17, 2011 10:12 pm

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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:And if we believe RS' spoilers Ben leaving and Ryan staying don't match with those.

Ben taking himself out and leaving because he sees more with JP. IDK. He seems to be falling for the girl as well. And him leaving just because he doesn't have feelings doesn't jibe with CH saying "woman are gonna love him".

We need previews and SCs stat!

ETA: I agree with most on this board that JP is probably F1. However, remember Fijiman said "Ben and Ashley are engaged". It is certainly a mystery at this point.

I think I missed this-- when did RS say that Ben left?!?!?

Sorry, that was not worded well. I mean if we believe RS' spoiler that Ben is F2, then he doesn't leave and if we believe RS' spoiler that Ryan leaves, then he is neither F1 nor F2.

Thanks for clarifying! I thought I'd missed something new!!
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Post by pavalygurl on Fri Jun 17, 2011 9:56 pm

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:And if we believe RS' spoilers Ben leaving and Ryan staying don't match with those.

Ben taking himself out and leaving because he sees more with JP. IDK. He seems to be falling for the girl as well. And him leaving just because he doesn't have feelings doesn't jibe with CH saying "woman are gonna love him".

We need previews and SCs stat!

ETA: I agree with most on this board that JP is probably F1. However, remember Fijiman said "Ben and Ashley are engaged". It is certainly a mystery at this point.

I think I missed this-- when did RS say that Ben left?!?!?

Sorry, that was not worded well. I mean if we believe RS' spoiler that Ben is F2, then he doesn't leave and if we believe RS' spoiler that Ryan leaves, then he is neither F1 nor F2.

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Post by reason on Fri Jun 17, 2011 9:42 pm

I dont think ben is taking himself out, he is a sensitive guy who does have interest in ASHLEY, I dont see that happening at all.

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Post by LibbyBell on Fri Jun 17, 2011 9:40 pm

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:And if we believe RS' spoilers Ben leaving and Ryan staying don't match with those.

Ben taking himself out and leaving because he sees more with JP. IDK. He seems to be falling for the girl as well. And him leaving just because he doesn't have feelings doesn't jibe with CH saying "woman are gonna love him".

We need previews and SCs stat!

ETA: I agree with most on this board that JP is probably F1. However, remember Fijiman said "Ben and Ashley are engaged". It is certainly a mystery at this point.

I think I missed this-- when did RS say that Ben left?!?!?

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Post by pavalygurl on Fri Jun 17, 2011 8:36 pm

And if we believe RS' spoilers Ben leaving and Ryan staying don't match with those.

Ben taking himself out and leaving because he sees more with JP. IDK. He seems to be falling for the girl as well. And him leaving just because he doesn't have feelings doesn't jibe with CH saying "woman are gonna love him".

We need previews and SCs stat!

ETA: I agree with most on this board that JP is probably F1. However, remember Fijiman said "Ben and Ashley are engaged". It is certainly a mystery at this point.

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Post by agentcurls on Fri Jun 17, 2011 8:21 pm

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:I would hate to think any F1 is by default, that's just wrong. Could be Ben steps down because he realizes what JP and Ashley have and just doesn't want to go thru the FRC and be sent home as F2...similar to what Ali did with Chris L. only vice versa.

Gina, I had speculated that Ben removes himself also.

came to fiji excited and left crying
Still has to refer to Ryan imo

she had on other choose but to go with jp
After Ben left, JP was the only other choice

and that wyh ben stayed in the westin
instead of going to the FRC he stayed in the westin

The clearest statement of these three imo is the ben stayed in the Westin one. But how does that work with Ben and Ashley are engaged, which was his first message and was stated clearly? If they were together wouldn't he have said Ben and Ashley stayed in the westin?

I'm determined to figure this out.


Is it possible Ben took himself out after FD? Then Ryan put himself back in, then left crying??? Then fijiman is right in that JP was the only choice at that point....but maybe it was Ashley's choice to begin with?? The language barrier does make it difficult.

But what about Love_Me asking fijiman straight up " Did she choose Ben?" and he said "yes". That's the part that doesn't make sense or correspond to this first exchange.

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Post by Guest on Fri Jun 17, 2011 8:21 pm

Alexxxx, let me know when you figure it all out. I give up.

Thanks pavalygurl for the info on the Vomo resorts and the Westin. So they brought Roberto on a boat to the FRC. Anyone remember how far away R was staying in comparison to where they held the FRC and/or how long that boat ride was. They said Roberto was sweating profusely and they had to mop his brow before he got off the boat to see Ali, so it seems more than a 5 min. boat ride??? So I guess they could do a 15 min. flight from the Westin to the FRC (if Ben is the F1).


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Post by Guest on Fri Jun 17, 2011 8:15 pm

@Gina wrote:I would hate to think any F1 is by default, that's just wrong. Could be Ben steps down because he realizes what JP and Ashley have and just doesn't want to go thru the FRC and be sent home as F2...similar to what Ali did with Chris L. only vice versa.

Gina, I had speculated that Ben removes himself also.

came to fiji excited and left crying
Still has to refer to Ryan imo

she had on other choose but to go with jp
After Ben left, JP was the only other choice

and that wyh ben stayed in the westin
instead of going to the FRC he stayed in the westin

The clearest statement of these three imo is the ben stayed in the Westin one. But how does that work with Ben and Ashley are engaged, which was his first message and was stated clearly? If they were together wouldn't he have said Ben and Ashley stayed in the westin?

I'm determined to figure this out.


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Post by pavalygurl on Fri Jun 17, 2011 8:12 pm

I was checking on some hotels/resorts in and around Vomo Island

Sorry Nutty, still no white wicker chair sightingts Smiley

Here is what I found:

The only resort I could find right on Vomo was the Vomo Island Resort which appears to match what we see from the contest ABC is having. This is considered a luxury resort. Fijiman says Ashley stayed on Vomo. The date she had with Ben was on Vomo Lailai which does not appear to have any overnight accomodations.

The Westin Denaru is right off the coast of Nadi which is said to be a 15 min flight to Vomo. There are several resorts on/in? Denaru which are listed as 5 star. I remember reading somewhere the hotels in Denaru were nicer than the ones in the town of Nadi which were older, and it appears the Vomo Resort we have seen is it for Vomo. I looked at the list and the nicest three were the Westin Denaru, the Sheraton Fiji Resort and the Sofitel but this is a golf resort, so not sure they would use it. The other thing I found is that the Westin was undergoing a series of three phased rennovations. The first two phases where from March 28-June 7. Not sure if this would be disruptive to filming or if it was in another part of the resort which has 273 rooms.

ETA: I am not sure there are other hotels closer to Vomo Island and the only one I could find on Vomo is the one Ash is staying at.


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