F1, F2, F3, and F4 Speculation - Spoilers - Discussion

Beeleever wrote:

Kelad9 wrote:

Beeleever wrote:

ironcat wrote:I admit I am not a great sleuther and while I try to be objective, I also allow my feelings of who appears to be the better, more logical match get in the way (one of the reasons I hesitated to believe Brad picked Emily because I felt certain that the logistics would never work for them, and there was at least a chance with Chantal, but of course, Brad fell for Emily anyway, despite the impracticality of it all). This season, I understand the skepticism about it being JP, and why it just seems too easy, but I guess once again, I am stuck trying to find some logical reason why, after everything that appears to be happening on our screen, Ashley would not only pick Ben, who she appears to have a very sweet but tepid relationship with, but more importantly, why she wouldn't pick JP, who seems totally into her (and vice versa), has great chemistry with her, is geographically practical, and has no red flags or skeletons in his closet that we know of. If she didn't pick him, why not, what are we missing, or more appropriately, what was he missing that Ben had? This is what's puzzling to me. I got it with Brad; Emily and Chantal were so different, and Brad wanted an Emily type despite the obstacles that came with her. Even though I personally found their interactions uninteresting, his getting tongue-tied around her was his way of expressing his utter adoration and awe of her, which he certainly didn't feel for Chantal. But if it's Ben, what is it that Ashley feels for Ben that trumps her deal with JP, and when are they going to start showing it to us?

Per the bolded, that's exactly how I feel. I'm open to either JP or Ben, but if it is Ben, they better start showing more of the connection with him and less of it with JP. Per CH tweet, we will be very satisfied with the show on Monday night...best episode from start to finish. I will be watching with an open mind to see what, other than the end of the "B" word, Chris is talking about.

Maybe he means best from start to finish --start-by terms of viewers and Ashley getting their closure over Bentley and we finally stop hearing about him?
finish- Ashley resolves her conflict with the guys at RC over Bentley. JMO.

Oh Kelad, I love that you are so logical...and here I was hoping for some serious sparks that turn into major fireworks to send us into and through the 4th of July!

Reality Mary wrote:

Beeleever wrote:

Kelad9 wrote:

Beeleever wrote:

ironcat wrote:I admit I am not a great sleuther and while I try to be objective, I also allow my feelings of who appears to be the better, more logical match get in the way (one of the reasons I hesitated to believe Brad picked Emily because I felt certain that the logistics would never work for them, and there was at least a chance with Chantal, but of course, Brad fell for Emily anyway, despite the impracticality of it all). This season, I understand the skepticism about it being JP, and why it just seems too easy, but I guess once again, I am stuck trying to find some logical reason why, after everything that appears to be happening on our screen, Ashley would not only pick Ben, who she appears to have a very sweet but tepid relationship with, but more importantly, why she wouldn't pick JP, who seems totally into her (and vice versa), has great chemistry with her, is geographically practical, and has no red flags or skeletons in his closet that we know of. If she didn't pick him, why not, what are we missing, or more appropriately, what was he missing that Ben had? This is what's puzzling to me. I got it with Brad; Emily and Chantal were so different, and Brad wanted an Emily type despite the obstacles that came with her. Even though I personally found their interactions uninteresting, his getting tongue-tied around her was his way of expressing his utter adoration and awe of her, which he certainly didn't feel for Chantal. But if it's Ben, what is it that Ashley feels for Ben that trumps her deal with JP, and when are they going to start showing it to us?

Per the bolded, that's exactly how I feel. I'm open to either JP or Ben, but if it is Ben, they better start showing more of the connection with him and less of it with JP. Per CH tweet, we will be very satisfied with the show on Monday night...best episode from start to finish. I will be watching with an open mind to see what, other than the end of the "B" word, Chris is talking about.

Maybe he means best from start to finish --start-by terms of viewers and Ashley getting their closure over Bentley and we finally stop hearing about him?
finish- Ashley resolves her conflict with the guys at RC over Bentley. JMO.

Oh Kelad, I love that you are so logical...and here I was hoping for some serious sparks that turn into major fireworks to send us into and through the 4th of July!

But if it's Ben, what is it that Ashley feels for Ben that trumps her deal with JP, and when are they going to start showing it to us

The only thing I can see that might make Ben a good match for Ashley is that he is so laid back. Ashley is type A personality, very driven, and JP seems to be quite driven too. Otherwise, who knows?? Every year my favorite does not win, so I really worry because this year might be the same. And yes fireworks please!

BeeleeverMe too, girl. I fall hook, line and sinker for the "fake" relationship every time! I am the one MF, CH and the producers laugh their you-know-what's off at, as the limo door opens and we see the F2 step out first. Gotcha again Beeleever!

Gina wrote:

BeeleeverMe too, girl. I fall hook, line and sinker for the "fake" relationship every time! I am the one MF, CH and the producers laugh their you-know-what's off at, as the limo door opens and we see the F2 step out first. Gotcha again Beeleever!

Add me too for being duped every season. Only got it right one time = Ryan Sutter.
That's why I'm petrified to let myself believe it really is JP, cause that's who I think it is, and I'm NEVER right.
I'll need a big box of tissues at the FRC.

albean99 wrote:I know JP & Ashley have chemistry but so far don't see that he's the only one she has eyes for. I also think she's smitten with Ben & don't feel he's an afterthought or default member of the f2. Before I found out the spoilers I wouldn't have picked any of the f4 but Ben & Ames have won me over since.

I don't think JP would be a bad pick at all other than being sad for Ben but am not ready to declare him the f1 based on what we've seen so far.

Reality Mary wrote:

Beeleever wrote:

Kelad9 wrote:

Beeleever wrote:

ironcat wrote:I admit I am not a great sleuther and while I try to be objective, I also allow my feelings of who appears to be the better, more logical match get in the way (one of the reasons I hesitated to believe Brad picked Emily because I felt certain that the logistics would never work for them, and there was at least a chance with Chantal, but of course, Brad fell for Emily anyway, despite the impracticality of it all). This season, I understand the skepticism about it being JP, and why it just seems too easy, but I guess once again, I am stuck trying to find some logical reason why, after everything that appears to be happening on our screen, Ashley would not only pick Ben, who she appears to have a very sweet but tepid relationship with, but more importantly, why she wouldn't pick JP, who seems totally into her (and vice versa), has great chemistry with her, is geographically practical, and has no red flags or skeletons in his closet that we know of. If she didn't pick him, why not, what are we missing, or more appropriately, what was he missing that Ben had? This is what's puzzling to me. I got it with Brad; Emily and Chantal were so different, and Brad wanted an Emily type despite the obstacles that came with her. Even though I personally found their interactions uninteresting, his getting tongue-tied around her was his way of expressing his utter adoration and awe of her, which he certainly didn't feel for Chantal. But if it's Ben, what is it that Ashley feels for Ben that trumps her deal with JP, and when are they going to start showing it to us?

Per the bolded, that's exactly how I feel. I'm open to either JP or Ben, but if it is Ben, they better start showing more of the connection with him and less of it with JP. Per CH tweet, we will be very satisfied with the show on Monday night...best episode from start to finish. I will be watching with an open mind to see what, other than the end of the "B" word, Chris is talking about.

Maybe he means best from start to finish --start-by terms of viewers and Ashley getting their closure over Bentley and we finally stop hearing about him?
finish- Ashley resolves her conflict with the guys at RC over Bentley. JMO.

Oh Kelad, I love that you are so logical...and here I was hoping for some serious sparks that turn into major fireworks to send us into and through the 4th of July!

[b]But if it's Ben, what is it that Ashley feels for Ben that trumps her deal with JP, and when are they going to start showing it to us

The only thing I can see that might make Ben a good match for Ashley is that he is so laid back. Ashley is type A personality, very driven, and JP seems to be quite driven too. Otherwise, who knows?? Every year my favorite does not win, so I really worry because this year might be the same. And yes fireworks please!

Living wrote:

What all of you are asking is exactly what makes one the F1. The fact that TPTB do not let us see the love story. With the F1, it is always in hindsight I shouldl have seen this. We see TB's connection with the F2, but the F1 connection is always hidden. Every single season, fans are annoyed because they wanted to see a love story which they do not. When the connection is obvious, that person is F2.